It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103330 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Dr Freud

UK

#98606 Jan 25, 2013
Frank wrote:
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Laughable, what would a f-ing idiot like do with a gun -- you couldn't even shoot yourself in the foot!!
When was the last time you 'tested' your theory, and where in the news is one able to verify that account?
You'll be getting back on that, right? So far you have not.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98607 Jan 25, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
Ahomana wrote:
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Sorry Sairla...where has one criminal shot anyone in a gun free zone pleeeeaaassseeeee???......do you people read???.....criminals aren't interested in gun free zones...
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Are you daft?
Why didn't you address that blatant lie spouted by Australia's biggest misandrist?
If criminals aren't interested in 'gun-free zones,' then PLEASE explain all those shootings in schools, and in the Aurora movie theater which itself was POSTED: No guns allowed.
They weren't criminals....now show me where any of them had a police record prior to that incident because I didn't think you could be classes a criminal till you had a police record....have the rules changed just for the pro gun lobby?

“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

Dump American Eagle

#98608 Jan 25, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>that is true there is some half baked nitwits totting guns that have no idea to accurately and effectively use guns and having concealed weapons permit does not make one an expert with a gun either but those half baked nitwits think so.
Many of those "half wits" are veterans of WWII,Korea and Viet Nam. Lately there are added Vets to our ranks. Would you deny those people the means of self protedction wehen it is COMMON knowledge that our police do well to protect themselves? I find it funny/ironic as he11 that the anti-gun folks who are SOOOOO insistant about denying people firearms would send OTHER people with guns to enforce THEIR will on gun owners. Seems like a nobalz bunch to me....... Typical.
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#98609 Jan 25, 2013
Frank wrote:
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There is nothing more dangerous than mixing old people and guns!
Nothing wrong with guns I shoot them all the time, everything is wrong with every half-baked nitwit totting a gun and not a clue how to use it. Those that actually know how to accurately and effectively use guns are very few and far between!
Don't mess with the older folks with a gun. Especially wheelchair bound people.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/25/ro...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98610 Jan 25, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
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Addendum: In Aurora, Colorado, there were several other movie theaters very much closer to where Holmes was living, but NONE of them had posted 'No GUNs' signs. In other words, concealed carry is allowed in them.
The ONLY theater in the area with that sign, was the one that was used for the shooting.
And your evidence that this is what he did is where exactly except in your own pro gun looney mind, what about the day before the incident there might have been a place closer to where he was that had thousand of people and a gun free zone but he didn't shoot them that day because he opted for a burger and icecream instead or the day before when he had driven to Massachusetts but he forgot his guns or when the space ship landed and they were unarmed he killed about ten aliens but they got in their spacecraft and flew off believing earth was unhospitable so they left no evidence...any more theories space cadet.....No?

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98611 Jan 25, 2013
jase wrote:
Guns don't walk guns don't talk and guns don't kill without humans guns wouldn't even exist so blame the human not the gun.
Already a ban coming for not all humans just the male of the species....what d'ya think?
Researcher

Killeen, TX

#98612 Jan 25, 2013
Frank wrote:
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There is nothing more dangerous than mixing old people and guns!
Nothing wrong with guns I shoot them all the time, everything is wrong with every half-baked nitwit totting a gun and not a clue how to use it. Those that actually know how to accurately and effectively use guns are very few and far between!
Excellent comment. Experts agree with you.

From a police academy trainer, 3rd generation cop, now working for a law-enforcement triaining company that has trained tens of thousands of police officers nationwide:

"Cops aren't trained well enough, so what do you think they're going to do with teachers? It's not enough to just carry a gun."

TIME, Jan. 28, 2013, pp. 40-41
Researcher

Killeen, TX

#98613 Jan 25, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
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The estimated number of people wounded seriously enough by gunshots to require a hospital stay, rather than treatment and release, rose 47% to 30,759 in 2011 from 20,844 in 2001, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Electronic Injury Surveillance System-All Injury Program.

The CDC estimates showed the number of people injured in serious stabbings rose to 23,550 from 22,047 over the same period
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788...
Good information - thank you.

Since: Jan 12

Where The Wild Things Grow

#98614 Jan 25, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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Do you think that boy could have killed that many people or would have bothered, if he hadn't had access to guns?...Therefore wouldn't the most logical course of action be to remove that threat so the teachers and kids can live in a gun free enviroment without detectors guards or guns, wouldn't you want them to have what all Aussie kids take for granted, and they (yankee kids and teachers) should have a right to expect to have a greater quality and longer lifespan?
Of course it would be better if those like him did not have access to guns - but I am talking about the reality of the present situation - guns are widespread in the US - the American people are not going to relinquish their second amendment rights - those who are determined to obtain guns will obtain them in that climate - so - provide armed guards at the schools.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

Dump American Eagle

#98615 Jan 25, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
Aggrevated Assault with Firearm
146,000 per year.
How much does that cost the taxpayer?
Must be about a break even deal with the 2,000,000+ crimes STOPPED with a firearm by private gun owners. I can live with that. Of course I'm sure you could live with the criminals having all the advantages. No surprises here.
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#98616 Jan 25, 2013
Passed by a gun store today. There were no lines to get in.

Redneck territory.
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#98617 Jan 25, 2013
Full moon tonight.

Guess the gun fanatics will be itching to shoot someone.
Researcher

Killeen, TX

#98618 Jan 25, 2013
sairla wrote:
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Of course it would be better if those like him did not have access to guns - but I am talking about the reality of the present situation - guns are widespread in the US - the American people are not going to relinquish their second amendment rights - those who are determined to obtain guns will obtain them in that climate - so - provide armed guards at the schools.
From a police academy trainer, 3rd generation cop, now working for a law-enforcement triaining company that has trained tens of thousands of police officers nationwide:

"Cops aren't trained well enough, so what do you think they're going to do with teachers? It's not enough to just carry a gun."

TIME, Jan. 28, 2013, pp. 40-41
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#98619 Jan 25, 2013
Sometimes it's good to read a comment more than once.

Trying very hard to find something interesting.

It's not working.
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#98620 Jan 25, 2013
Don't worry about Feinstein. She's fine.
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#98621 Jan 25, 2013
Passed by a school today. The sign out front said something about new security measures go into effect today.

Damn Guns. They spoil everything.
Frank

Oakland, CA

#98622 Jan 25, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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Don't mess with the older folks with a gun. Especially wheelchair bound people.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/25/ro...
Dr. Strangelove?

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98623 Jan 25, 2013
tfreddy42 wrote:
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dummy the guns are not the problem it is the person behind the guns that is the problem so your comment is mute again
Neither of them are the problem. The problem is the man who invented the first the gun or the person who discovered iron or the person who discovered gun powder or the teaching of science is the problem or men are the problem...get my point?...Guns ARE the problem, and they are the problem because without them we wouldn't have any person shot.... Now in order to stop the shootings you have to get rid of guns or men, which one of those seems more likely, eh Einstein?
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#98624 Jan 25, 2013
Everyone seems to get very excited when they read about stabbings etc.

They are happy that a gun wasn't used.

Makes them feel better. Something to brag about.

Sigh.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98625 Jan 25, 2013
look wrote:
<quoted text>You'd need a gun if the other man had one and was willing to use it, I don't give a damn how bad you think you are...If I was the one with a gun and a man threatened me in any way, if he was to big for me to whip his ass then I'd shoot him in self defense. An un-armed man is an idiot if he tried out a man with a gun, eonough said. So try and take somebody on with their weapon of choice, and you'll end up in the FUCKIN' ER, or 6ft. under, either way your a FUCKIN' IDIOT...Haven't you heard, "don't bring a knife to a gun fight", what would you do if a man had a 45. or a shotgun??? What COULD you do with your bare hands if the man had a gun??? Your talking SHIT you can't back-up, your a moron, and you'll end up dead if you really are that STUPID, I don't give a damn how bad you THINK you are, it's easy to talk shit over the PC, but just try out somebody with a gun...
So cowards have guns....cowards and sadists...Who knew?

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