It's the Guns, Stupid

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“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#98401 Jan 24, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, that's really the litmus test of RealŪ liberty, is it not?
At any time 'registration' becomes a requirement in order to exercise a human liberty, then you KNOW that what's afoot isn't a nicety.
It is one of Feinstein's proposals for federal gun control.

Did you see this?

http://www.examiner.com/article/renowned-auth...
Dr Freud

UK

#98402 Jan 24, 2013
levi wrote:
<quoted text> When the amendment was written it gave the citizens the right to bear arms that were aviable at the time, the same guns that were used in that times military. There were, and are, nor should there be, limitations. Responsibility, yes.
CORRECTION!
When that amendment was penned, it 'GAVE' no one ANYTHING, at all!
Rather, it simply recognized what was ALREADY known, and understood to be.
Further, it codified into law that understanding, itself which has stood the test of time, and men's limited patience.
The ONE THING which has made the United States of America stand out from ALL OTHER NATIONS in this world, is THEIR Declaration of Independence, and THIER BILL OF RIGHTS.
NOTHING, before, or since, has come close to equaling either.
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#98403 Jan 24, 2013
Dalai Lama

"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."

Where is the rest of the quote?

He doesn't say he condones guns, does he?

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98404 Jan 24, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
In the U.S. of A., whilst the number of privately held arms has very markedly increased, the violent crime rate has PLUNGED!
Want proof?
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/sirens/2012/oc ...
http://socialcapitalreview.org/violent-crime -...
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_1891 ...
So, you were saying ...?
Violent crime maybe down but it hasn't seen a reduction in "gun deaths" in America, and the reduction in violent crime cannot be attributed to one thing but is more likely tied to unemployment and hard times...not more guns!....As soon as the economy picks up so will crime....

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270...
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#98405 Jan 24, 2013
In 1939, Hugo Black and fellow Supreme Court justices ruled unanimously in a landmark gun control case, U.S. vs Miller, that the 2nd Amendment does not protect blanket access for citizens to any type of firearm.
Dr Freud

UK

#98406 Jan 24, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet death by gun is increasing....so your were saying?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...
Dictators and Gun Control
http://americainchains2009.wordpress.com/2010...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98407 Jan 24, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
In the U.S. of A., whilst the number of privately held arms has very markedly increased, the violent crime rate has PLUNGED!
Want proof?
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/sirens/2012/oc ...
http://socialcapitalreview.org/violent-crime -...
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_1891 ...
So, you were saying ...?
PS. great links if you could access them...I suppose one out of three aint bad....

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98408 Jan 24, 2013
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
It is one of Feinstein's proposals for federal gun control.
Did you see this?
http://www.examiner.com/article/renowned-auth...
When you are a bigot you become gullible....you may not have a gun but you think like a extreme right winger this is just sheer lies, propaganda and paranoia from a man who is anti Obama....How is it you can blacken a mans name by making claims you don't have to prove and protect your so called sources at the same time, you wouldn't question their motives for making such claims?...seems like a sham to me and I am most always right!

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#98410 Jan 24, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Violent crime maybe down but it hasn't seen a reduction in "gun deaths" in America, and the reduction in violent crime cannot be attributed to one thing but is more likely tied to unemployment and hard times...not more guns!....As soon as the economy picks up so will crime....
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270...
I disagree here. The problem is drugs, drugs, drugs. People get robbed in pharmacy car parks hoping that the purchases may contain Some drugs that may be sold on the black market. Pharmacies are also held up for the same reason.

Convenience stores are held up for cash to buy illegal drugs and many shootings are in the car parks where drug deals take place.

More take place at private homes where the drugs are manufactures and the drug runners are killed for what they are carrying for distribution.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#98411 Jan 24, 2013
And yes, there are too many illegal firearms around.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#98412 Jan 24, 2013
Guppy wrote:
In 1939, Hugo Black and fellow Supreme Court justices ruled unanimously in a landmark gun control case, U.S. vs Miller, that the 2nd Amendment does not protect blanket access for citizens to any type of firearm.
US v Miller(1939)
"In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument."

The writings of Union cavalrymen contain indignant passages about horses and riders being shot with rocks, nails, and screws that were fired from the barrels of Confederate sawed-off shotguns.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/system...

The fact that they were incorrect doesn't change another fact that they believed those arms normally carried by a "well regulated" militia were protected by the 2nd Amendnment.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98413 Jan 24, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
Dictators and Gun Control
http://americainchains2009.wordpress.com/2010...
gun owning myths debunked....http://guninformat ion.org/
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#98414 Jan 24, 2013
Guppy wrote:
Americans are 20 times more likely to be killed by a gun than residents of other developed countries.
Let me try that. People in Florida are 57 times more likely to be killed by alligators than people in Alaska.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#98415 Jan 24, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Violent crime maybe down but it hasn't seen a reduction in "gun deaths" in America, and the reduction in violent crime cannot be attributed to one thing but is more likely tied to unemployment and hard times...not more guns!....As soon as the economy picks up so will crime....
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270...
Maybe we are shooting the crap out of the bad guys so violent crime goes down while gun deaths remain constant.

A robber armed with a handgun entered a cell phone store in Houston, Texas and attempted to rob the owner. The owner responded by retrieving a gun and firing at the criminal, striking him twice and causing him to flee to a nearby getaway car. The robber died after the getaway driver took him to a hospital in Pearland, Texas. The getaway driver is in custody.(The Houston Chronicle, Houston, Texas 11/14/12, KTRK, Houston, Texas 11/15/12)
GoGoBar

Thailand

#98416 Jan 24, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe we are shooting the crap out of the bad guys so violent crime goes down while gun deaths remain constant.
A robber armed with a handgun entered a cell phone store in Houston, Texas and attempted to rob the owner. The owner responded by retrieving a gun and firing at the criminal, striking him twice and causing him to flee to a nearby getaway car. The robber died after the getaway driver took him to a hospital in Pearland, Texas. The getaway driver is in custody.(The Houston Chronicle, Houston, Texas 11/14/12, KTRK, Houston, Texas 11/15/12)
gun Robbery Murder 750

Gun Self defence Homicide 201

They are shooting the shit out of you.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98417 Jan 24, 2013
HollybytheSea wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree here. The problem is drugs, drugs, drugs. People get robbed in pharmacy car parks hoping that the purchases may contain Some drugs that may be sold on the black market. Pharmacies are also held up for the same reason.
Convenience stores are held up for cash to buy illegal drugs and many shootings are in the car parks where drug deals take place.
More take place at private homes where the drugs are manufactures and the drug runners are killed for what they are carrying for distribution.
Drugs are a huge problem in every country and it is imperative that we screen the cops, all airport staff, postal workers, border guards from contact with known crims and involvement in drug smuggling, there should also be a clamp down on the US smuggling over 87% of their guns to assist the Mexican drug cartels, to enable the Mexican and US authorities to gain control of this epidemic of greed and corruption.....

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98418 Jan 24, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe we are shooting the crap out of the bad guys so violent crime goes down while gun deaths remain constant.
A robber armed with a handgun entered a cell phone store in Houston, Texas and attempted to rob the owner. The owner responded by retrieving a gun and firing at the criminal, striking him twice and causing him to flee to a nearby getaway car. The robber died after the getaway driver took him to a hospital in Pearland, Texas. The getaway driver is in custody.(The Houston Chronicle, Houston, Texas 11/14/12, KTRK, Houston, Texas 11/15/12)
I havent seen any flying pigs lately, have you?
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#98419 Jan 24, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
I could agree with you if the other high income democracies and republics had the same murder rate the USA ,with drug crazed people, or not, committing murder at a rate 4.8/100K instead of 1.0/100K
Let's keep narrowing it to only countries that has sent men to the Moon.
levi

United States

#98420 Jan 24, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Violent crime maybe down but it hasn't seen a reduction in "gun deaths" in America, and the reduction in violent crime cannot be attributed to one thing but is more likely tied to unemployment and hard times...not more guns!....As soon as the economy picks up so will crime....
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270...
Are you for real? Crime is at its highest in poor unemployed areas. High unemployment means high crime, that has always been the case, today, and throughout history.
Dr Freud

UK

#98421 Jan 24, 2013
HollybytheSea wrote:
And yes, there are too many illegal firearms around.
But there is NO SUCH THING as an 'illegal firearm.'

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