It's the Guns, Stupid

[downhill246]

Ahomana wrote:

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So these people on Prozac shouldn't have access or own a gun...right....what about the rest of the massacre's, what is their excuses....because it seem the one thing they all had in common was they had guns, could get guns and had access to guns...The solution by your reckoning is a foregone conclusion, isn't it, get rid of the guns...unless you are a moron?

The overwhelming majority of gun owners do not cause massacres How do you know many of the other shooters weren't on drugs, too? You don't. Obviously prescribing psychotic drugs willy nilly in the school rooom has some unattended consequences, wouldn't you agree? You should unless you are a moron.

[Guppy]

Finally, to all the centrist wise men and reasonable-sounding conservatives - how do you like me now? You said I couldn't get re-elected unless I was more bipartisan, more moderate, more Clintonian. You blamed me for Washington's gridlock and assumed the country would as well. You said I should campaign on Simpson-Bowles, of all things, instead of social issues.

Well, guess what? I did it my way, and it worked. I got tax increases without entitlement cuts, I flipped the script on the culture war, and now Marco Rubio is going to help me pass an immigration bill. I'm still up for a grand bargain, but I don't need one: The economy's limping back, the deficit should stabilize in the short run, and the long term - well, that's my successor's problem. I'd like to win on gun control and climate change, but I'll settle for making the case and seeing whether a Biden administration (you only think I'm kidding) can finish the job.

[Spocko]

downhill246 wrote:

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Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox – like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and many others, a modern and widely prescribed type of antidepressant drug called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs. Harris and fellow student Dylan Klebold went on a hellish school shooting rampage in 1999 during which they killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 24 others before turning their guns on themselves.Luvox manufacturer Solvay Pharmaceuticals concedes that during short-term controlled clinical trials, 4 percent of children and youth taking Luvox – that’s 1 in 25 – developed mania, a dangerous and violence-prone mental derangement characterized by extreme excitement and delusion.
Patrick Purdy went on a schoolyard shooting rampage in Stockton, Calif., in 1989, which became the catalyst for the original legislative frenzy to ban “semiautomatic assault weapons” in California and the nation. The 25-year-old Purdy, who murdered five children and wounded 30, had been on Amitriptyline, an antidepressant, as well as the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.
Kip Kinkel, 15, murdered his parents in 1998 and the next day went to his school, Thurston High in Springfield, Ore., and opened fire on his classmates, killing two and wounding 22 others. He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.
In 1988, 31-year-old Laurie Dann went on a shooting rampage in a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Ill., killing one child and wounding six. She had been taking the antidepressant Anafranil as well as Lithium, long used to treat mania.
In Paducah, Ky., in late 1997, 14-year-old Michael Carneal, son of a prominent attorney, traveled to Heath High School and started shooting students in a prayer meeting taking place in the school’s lobby, killing three and leaving another paralyzed. Carneal reportedly was on Ritalin.
In 2005, 16-year-old Native American Jeff Weise, living on Minnesota’s Red Lake Indian Reservation, shot and killed nine people and wounded five others before killing himself. Weise had been taking Prozac.
In another famous case, 47-year-old Joseph T. Wesbecker, just a month after he began taking Prozac in 1989, shot 20 workers at Standard Gravure Corp. in Louisville, Ky., killing nine. Prozac-maker Eli Lilly later settled a lawsuit brought by survivors.
Kurt Danysh, 18, shot his own father to death in 1996, a little more than two weeks after starting on Prozac. Danysh’s description of own his mental-emotional state at the time of the murder is chilling:“I didn’t realize I did it until after it was done,” Danysh said.“This might sound weird, but it felt like I had no control of what I was doing, like I was left there just holding a gun.”
John Hinckley, age 25, took four Valium two hours before shooting and almost killing President Ronald Reagan in 1981. In the assassination attempt, Hinckley also wounded press secretary James Brady, Secret Service agent Timothy McCarthy and policeman Thomas Delahanty.

There is nothing unusual about Americans taking antidepressants; in fact, it’s close to one third of the population.

[downhill246]

Ahomana wrote:

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Better still put a sign up on the white house door America is a gun free country, and you wouldn't need the ridiculous notion of gun free zones.

Oh right. Three hundred million firearms in the US..Those criminals who could care less about gun laws will be stepping all over themselves to turn in their illegal weapons. Liberal logic is often comical, wouldn't you agree?

[sairla]

Dr Freud wrote:

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"I am not opposed to gun ownership by the way, but it would concern me if students were permitted to carry guns into a school environment."
All children are different, and I'm quite sure that you're aware of that matter.
Some are raised in environments which would raise more than a few eyebrows, and others yet are raised by the most discerning of parents.
From that place, I tend to agree with your assessment, but only to a point.
Older students however, should be afforded their right to self-defense. How much older? Starting at 12 years of age.
If they may successfully demonstrate how to properly handle firearms, as well as knowledge of the law regarding their use, then I see no reason to deny them.
Once one begins attending college/university, they should not be in any way denied, regardless.

Yes, all children are different - but even the most mature 12 year old can, quite unexpectedly, behave in a most immature manner - because they are still children. I think if children, in a civilised society need to carry guns into the school for their own protection - then someone has failed in their duty of care.

[downhill246]

Guppy wrote:

Finally, to all the centrist wise men and reasonable-sounding conservatives - how do you like me now? You said I couldn't get re-elected unless I was more bipartisan, more moderate, more Clintonian. You blamed me for Washington's gridlock and assumed the country would as well. You said I should campaign on Simpson-Bowles, of all things, instead of social issues.
Well, guess what? I did it my way, and it worked. I got tax increases without entitlement cuts, I flipped the script on the culture war, and now Marco Rubio is going to help me pass an immigration bill. I'm still up for a grand bargain, but I don't need one: The economy's limping back, the deficit should stabilize in the short run, and the long term - well, that's my successor's problem. I'd like to win on gun control and climate change, but I'll settle for making the case and seeing whether a Biden administration (you only think I'm kidding) can finish the job.

"President Barack Obama doesn’t have the political courage to admit his true feelings about the Second Amendment. Look, I have questions about whether he’s truly committed to the Second Amendment as I understand it and most Americans would understand it. I don’t think he has the political courage to admit that.
But ultimately, I’m not worried that he’s going to repeal the Second Amendment in terms of the law. I don’t think they’re going to do that. I do think, however, that if they don’t fully understand the Second Amendment and how it’s supposed to be applied — they are willing to test it, and they are willing to see how much they can infringe upon it.”
Sen Marco Rubio-Fl

[Ahomana]

Duh Obama Rules wrote:

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And you are another full blown hypocrite who no doubt supports the drug culture.

Noone doubts the drug culture, you are an idiot to think they can especially since you sound like you shot up just recently....How's a bout if the yankees stop supplying the Mexican cartels with over 87% of their weapons everyone could have a better chance of stopping them....you know how the guns are getting there...they are being bought legally by law abiding gun owning dicks and then smuggling them across the border...want to stop the druge you bloody bright spark....stop the guns....stop being a clueless twat.

[downhill246]

Spocko wrote:

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There is nothing unusual about Americans taking antidepressants; in fact, it’s close to one third of the population.

Yet a small percentage of users become violentand/or suicidal and the warning labels say so.

[Guppy]

Freud himself dabbled in therapeutic matchmaking and in fact went so far as to encourage one of his patients to leave his wife and pursue another woman. At Freud's urging, Horace Frink, a psychiatrist Freud analyzed and later nominated to head the New York Psychoanalytic Society, divorced his wife and married Angelika Bijur, one of Dr. Frink's own patients.
Whatever else Freud had in mind, it seems he may have had a personal and financial motives for the union between Dr. Frink and Ms. Bijur, who happened to be a wealthy heiress. In a letter to Dr. Frink, Freud said of the proposed marriage, "If matters turn out all right, let us change this imaginary gift into a real contribution to the Psychoanalytic Funds."
A marriage arranged - and sanctified - by Freud himself! That's a proposition hard to defy. Alas, Dr. Frink experienced depression and psychosis soon after the marriage and divorced Ms. Bijur a few years later. Today such psychiatric meddling would be likely to create a public scandal and a malpractice suit.

RF

[Ahomana]

downhill246 wrote:

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Oh right. Three hundred million firearms in the US..Those criminals who could care less about gun laws will be stepping all over themselves to turn in their illegal weapons. Liberal logic is often comical, wouldn't you agree?

Crims have no legal access to guns so where do they get them?
10-15% they steal....how can they steal them if the law abiding gun owner has taken the proper precautions to secure said weapons?
Most of the guns that the crims get are through straw purchases...yes that is right they get them from a person that has bought them legally.....stop that and then they won't have access to guns and you wouldn't need them either...oh it's people like you that transact the straw purchases and put the gun into the hand of the criminals....go figure. Read and weep you clueless moronic toad. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...

[Spocko]

downhill246 wrote:

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Oh right. Three hundred million firearms in the US..Those criminals who could care less about gun laws will be stepping all over themselves to turn in their illegal weapons. Liberal logic is often comical, wouldn't you agree?

More precisely your logic! So we just simply give up on the law as a concept and go for the anarchy thing!? When it comes to gun control you f-ing gun-a-holics either want a 100% effective law - or nothing, no exceptions! It's the mark of freaks and lunatics ...

[Ahomana]

downhill246 wrote:

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The overwhelming majority of gun owners do not cause massacres How do you know many of the other shooters weren't on drugs, too? You don't. Obviously prescribing psychotic drugs willy nilly in the school rooom has some unattended consequences, wouldn't you agree? You should unless you are a moron.

The reason I know is, if they had been on drugs, and killed someone with a gun the NRA and gun owners would be on it like a shot.... These fanatics rely on such excuses to deny the fact that easy access to weapons is the final result in any massacre, or shooting of any kind....dummy

[downhill246]

Ahomana wrote:

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Crims have no legal access to guns so where do they get them?
10-15% they steal....how can they steal them if the law abiding gun owner has taken the proper precautions to secure said weapons?
Most of the guns that the crims get are through straw purchases...yes that is right they get them from a person that has bought them legally.....stop that and then they won't have access to guns and you wouldn't need them either...oh it's people like you that transact the straw purchases and put the gun into the hand of the criminals....go figure. Read and weep you clueless moronic toad. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...

Stop what? There are over 300 million firearms in the US and if it is people like me that transact illegal straw purchases for firearms it is criminals like you that buy those firearms.
Touche, dipsh!t.

[Spocko]

downhill246 wrote:

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Yet a small percentage of users become violentand/or suicidal and the warning labels say so.

Yes, as is the rest of the population, are you making a point here or just being an jackass

[Ahomana]

downhill246 wrote:

In an exclusive in-person interview in New York City with WND, London-based Dr. David Healy criticized pharmaceutical companies that have made billions of dollars marketing Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors, known as SSRIs.( Prozac , Zoloft , Paxil , Celexa (, Lexapro and Luvox)
Psychotropic drugs “prescribed for school children cause violent behavior,” Healy stated.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/top-psychiatrist-m...

And if there was no easy access to guns in their violent state....they would just punch their locker like normal teens.

[Ahomana]

downhill246 wrote:

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For all those interested in joining the NRA , go to the following link
http://membership.nrahq.org/

Osama Bin Laden, your terrorist ideal, would have been so proud of you for that propaganda promotion....encouraging more deaths to Americans...Allah is good!

[Ahomana]

downhill246 wrote:

Andrea Yates, in one of the most heartrending crimes in modern history, drowned all five of her children – aged 7 years down to 6 months – in a bathtub. Insisting inner voices commanded her to kill her children, she had become increasingly psychotic over the course of several years. At her 2006 murder re-trial (after a 2002 guilty verdict was overturned on appeal), Yates’ longtime friend Debbie Holmes testified:“She asked me if I thought Satan could read her mind and if I believed in demon possession.” And Dr. George Ringholz, after evaluating Yates for two days, recounted an experience she had after the birth of her first child:“What she described was feeling a presence … Satan … telling her to take a knife and stab her son Noah,” Ringholz said, adding that Yates’ delusion at the time of the bathtub murders was not only that she had to kill her children to save them, but that Satan had entered her and that she had to be executed in order to kill Satan.Yates had been taking the antidepressant Effexor. I

n November 2005, more than four years after Yates drowned her children, Effexor manufacturer Wyeth Pharmaceuticals quietly added “homicidal ideation” to the drug’s list of “rare adverse events.” The Medical Accountability Network, a private nonprofit focused on medical ethics issues, publicly criticized Wyeth, saying Effexor’s “homicidal ideation” risk wasn’t well-publicized and that Wyeth failed to send letters to doctors or issue warning labels announcing the change.And what exactly does “rare” mean in the phrase “rare adverse events”? The FDA defines it as occurring in less than one in 1,000 people. But since that same year 19.2 million prescriptions for Effexor were filled in the U.S., statistically that means thousands of Americans might experience “homicidal ideation”– murderous thoughts – as a result of taking just this one brand of antidepressant drug.Effexor is Wyeth’s best-selling drug, by the way, which in one recent year brought in over $3 billion in sales, accounting for almost a fifth of the company’s annual revenues.

Which topic are you on now, is it still guns?.... I am sure that murder and deaths can be attributed to many things...but how many women drown five of her kids in the bath as opposed to those killed or murdered by guns you dolt? Google that and get back to me....

[Dr Freud]

sairla wrote:

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That's it, the situation in America is different to ours - students have the right to protection so if that means armed guards, then that is the way it is.

Students DO NOT have the 'right' to 'armed protection.'
In fact, NOBODY has the 'right' to armed protection, inasmuch as NO SUCH RIGHT exists.
Certainly, EVERYONE has THE RIGHT to protect themselves, but NOBODY has THE RIGHT to demand that any other person provide protection for them.

[Dr Freud]

Spocko wrote:

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Yes, as is the rest of the population, are you making a point here or just being an jackass

It's YOURSELF who's being the JACKARSE!
http://www.ssristories.com/index.php...

[Dr Freud]

Ahomana wrote:

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Which topic are you on now, is it still guns?.... I am sure that murder and deaths can be attributed to many things...but how many women drown five of her kids in the bath as opposed to those killed or murdered by guns you dolt? Google that and get back to me....

"Which topic are you on now, is it still guns?"
No, the topic is YOUR continued obstinate denial of the truth: Guns are NOT the cause of anything.