It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103340 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Tm Clmns

Victoria, Canada

#98380 Jan 24, 2013
Wally1 wrote:
I don't think Obama has any clue on what he started by signing exeutive orders that are cleary not allowed to infringe on the 2nd amendment. I think lit the fuse leading to a powder keg, Law abiding gun owners are not going to stand for this first assault on their rights. It's time to stand and fight for your rights, because obviously at the federal level your representatives are not doing their job. Last week, gun and ammunition sales were the highest rate ever! I also must commend the Sheriffs and Police chiefs (most western states)who have announced they will be abiding by their oath to uphold the constitution and not enforcing Obama's illegal executive orders. Remember this simple quote: Without guns, people against them, would not exist.
Fantastic ideas.... just all go and blow yourselves to bits... It is your 2nd Amd. right...

Just continue the old civil war... It ain't over... obviously

Since: Jan 12

Where The Wild Things Grow

#98381 Jan 24, 2013
spider1954 wrote:
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I may be mistaken,,but I think the confusion may lay here.
Whilst no one has a right to protection, all normal parents defend and protect their children as a matter of course.
I think what Sarila is trying to say is this. When we place our children in the care of others (at a school for instance) then those children should be afforded a similar level of protection as if the parents were there, if the school doesen't provide a level of service to match a potential danger, then parents would be justified in removing their children from school.
An armed guard would be akin to having an armed parent present.
Thank you, that is right, I am a teacher, schools have a duty of care, to be exercised at all times, within the school, whilst on excursions and even outside of school hours, if the school has knowledge of circumstances where a student's well-being may be compromised. Students do have a right to protection, parents have a right to expectation of that protection and schools have an obligation to provide such protection - as is required in the circumstances. If it has come to the stage where school shootings present a known and substantial risk - then provide those who can respond to that risk professionally - you don't leave children to try and protect themselves, that is negligent and morally wrong.
Dr Freud

UK

#98382 Jan 24, 2013
levi wrote:
<quoted text> The government already knows, the guns are registered. Our govt also know they will have hell to pay if they try to take them either by force or by passing laws. We americans love our country, our constitution, but we will not stand by and let a bunch of socialist bleeding hearts destroy our constitution, even if it means war against the govt. But I understand what you're saying, and its good advice, thank you.
If you were smart enough to NOT have purchased your guns through a dealer, and instead purchased them from a private source, then your property won't have been 'registered.'

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#98383 Jan 24, 2013
tinydropthestickgooddog wrote:
<quoted text>
paranoid nutjob ha ha haa
Is throwing out pointless, ill informed insults, really the best you can come up with.
Dr Freud

UK

#98384 Jan 24, 2013
Guppy wrote:
There is a recognition that Second Amendment rights, like First Amendment and other rights, come with responsibilities and limitations.
RW
DO TELL: Precisely WHERE is the term 'limitation' mention in any amendment to the U.S. Constitution for the United States?

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#98385 Jan 24, 2013
tinydropthestickgooddog wrote:
<quoted text>
conspiracy nutjob ha haa
Yep,,it would seem that's all you have.
Tm Clmns

Victoria, Canada

#98386 Jan 24, 2013
Face the Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
And looks like they will be doing everything possible to cause those weapons to be used.
It sure looks as if the Obama people are trying to push the USA into a bloody revolution.
b

Don't be stupid.. That is the NRA's job on behalf of the Republican corporatists.

Once you eliminate yourselves with the millions of guns, they will just bring in Chinese to take over your property and then they will work for US companies forever for $2 a day.

Buy more guns... get mad... shoot your neighbours.. especially the Liberals. Let the Mexicans and Chinese take over their houses...
Dr Freud

UK

#98387 Jan 24, 2013
sairla wrote:
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Thank you, that is right, I am a teacher, schools have a duty of care, to be exercised at all times, within the school, whilst on excursions and even outside of school hours, if the school has knowledge of circumstances where a student's well-being may be compromised. Students do have a right to protection, parents have a right to expectation of that protection and schools have an obligation to provide such protection - as is required in the circumstances. If it has come to the stage where school shootings present a known and substantial risk - then provide those who can respond to that risk professionally - you don't leave children to try and protect themselves, that is negligent and morally wrong.
" If it has come to the stage where school shootings present a known and substantial risk - then provide those who can respond to that risk professionally - you don't leave children to try and protect themselves, that is negligent and morally wrong."

According to yourself, at precisely WHAT age should children be allowed to protect themselves from physical attack?
Do NOT forget to put YOURSELF in THEIR place, when YOU reply!

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98389 Jan 24, 2013
spider1954 wrote:
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A gun thread,,, REALLY,,, well thanks for pointing that out,,I had been kind of wondering why you hadn't shared your culinary skills lately.
Turtles ?????? who mentioned turtles,,you feeling ok.
Sooo you want to talk about easy access to guns,,tell me this then, as the UK is an island, with a natural barrier twenty one miles wide at its narrowest point,a far easier border to police than most countries enjoy, how come fire arms are so easily available to anyone who cares to buy one on the black market. After all, most guns are banned here, yet tere is no problem in obtaining one if you want one. The ownership of guns amongst law abiding UK residents has allways been low, since the more recent ban it is virtually non existent. Strange is it not that fire arms so easily find there way into criminal hands.
The UK death rate is minimal...below that of most of all other countries even lower than New Zealand
Up to 30-40% of crimes in the UK involve replica's that is toy guns made to look like the real thing....70% of murders in the UK involve converted weapons these are blank firing(athletic firing weapons and CS gas guns, or high pressure air pellet firing weapons and air guns made to look like the real thing and legally obtained through Europe...they are cheaper alloys but these can and are being converted or re-engineered to fire real bullets, though are very unstable and often blow up in their faces....So the UK are aware of people importing these weapons legally, and they are endeavouring to alter the laws to prevent them easy access into the UK...

Note where the UK sits on death by gun in comparrison to the majority of other countries...they have no where near the gun deaths of other worldly nations and that is due to their extremely strict gun control laws that have worked by seeing a major reduction in gun deaths.......

The idiocy of you including a country like the UK who have clearly reduced their death to below that of equal the lowest in the civilised world is clutching at straws...and the gun deaths are committed with replica guns able to be sourced legally from Europe and some converted (at great risk) to kill or maim.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie...

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches...
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#98390 Jan 24, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
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DO TELL: Precisely WHERE is the term 'limitation' mention in any amendment to the U.S. Constitution for the United States?
Above that, what other right requires a registration.
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#98391 Jan 24, 2013
Americans are 20 times more likely to be killed by a gun than residents of other developed countries.
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#98392 Jan 24, 2013
But proposals to arm teachers are irresponsible and dangerous. The role of educators it to teach and nurture our children, not to be armed guards.

RW
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#98394 Jan 24, 2013
Since the tragedy in Conn. more than 900 people in the United States have died from gun violence. This must end.

RW
levi

United States

#98395 Jan 24, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
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If you were smart enough to NOT have purchased your guns through a dealer, and instead purchased them from a private source, then your property won't have been 'registered.'
Not all are, that being said, I believe in responsible gun ownership. I still go to gun shows where private indivisuals sell and trade.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98396 Jan 24, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
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In the U.S. of A., whilst the number of privately held arms has very markedly increased, the violent crime rate has PLUNGED!
Want proof?
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/sirens/2012/oc...
http://socialcapitalreview.org/violent-crime-...
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_1891...
So, you were saying ...?
And yet death by gun is increasing....so your were saying?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...
Dr Freud

UK

#98397 Jan 24, 2013
Guppy wrote:
Since the tragedy in Conn. more than 900 people in the United States have died from gun violence. This must end.
RW
Dictators and Gun Control
http://americainchains2009.wordpress.com/2010...
levi

United States

#98398 Jan 24, 2013
Guppy wrote:
There is a recognition that Second Amendment rights, like First Amendment and other rights, come with responsibilities and limitations.
RW
When the amendment was written it gave the citizens the right to bear arms that were aviable at the time, the same guns that were used in that times military. There were, and are, nor should there be, limitations. Responsibility, yes.
Dr Freud

UK

#98399 Jan 24, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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Above that, what other right requires a registration.
Well, that's really the litmus test of RealŪ liberty, is it not?
At any time 'registration' becomes a requirement in order to exercise a human liberty, then you KNOW that what's afoot isn't a nicety.
Dr Freud

UK

#98400 Jan 24, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet death by gun is increasing....so your were saying?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...
In the U.S. of A., whilst the number of privately held arms has very markedly increased, the violent crime rate has PLUNGED!
Want proof?
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/sirens/2012/oc ...
http://socialcapitalreview.org/violent-crime -...
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_1891 ...
So, you were saying ...?
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#98401 Jan 24, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, that's really the litmus test of RealŪ liberty, is it not?
At any time 'registration' becomes a requirement in order to exercise a human liberty, then you KNOW that what's afoot isn't a nicety.
It is one of Feinstein's proposals for federal gun control.

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