It's the Guns, Stupid

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“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98254 Jan 23, 2013
Duh Obama Rules wrote:
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And you are another full blown hypocrite who no doubt supports the drug culture.
Noone doubts the drug culture, you are an idiot to think they can especially since you sound like you shot up just recently....How's a bout if the yankees stop supplying the Mexican cartels with over 87% of their weapons everyone could have a better chance of stopping them....you know how the guns are getting there...they are being bought legally by law abiding gun owning dicks and then smuggling them across the border...want to stop the druge you bloody bright spark....stop the guns....stop being a clueless twat.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#98255 Jan 23, 2013
Spocko wrote:
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There is nothing unusual about Americans taking antidepressants; in fact, it’s close to one third of the population.
Yet a small percentage of users become violentand/or suicidal and the warning labels say so.
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#98256 Jan 23, 2013
Freud himself dabbled in therapeutic matchmaking and in fact went so far as to encourage one of his patients to leave his wife and pursue another woman. At Freud's urging, Horace Frink, a psychiatrist Freud analyzed and later nominated to head the New York Psychoanalytic Society, divorced his wife and married Angelika Bijur, one of Dr. Frink's own patients.
Whatever else Freud had in mind, it seems he may have had a personal and financial motives for the union between Dr. Frink and Ms. Bijur, who happened to be a wealthy heiress. In a letter to Dr. Frink, Freud said of the proposed marriage, "If matters turn out all right, let us change this imaginary gift into a real contribution to the Psychoanalytic Funds."
A marriage arranged - and sanctified - by Freud himself! That's a proposition hard to defy. Alas, Dr. Frink experienced depression and psychosis soon after the marriage and divorced Ms. Bijur a few years later. Today such psychiatric meddling would be likely to create a public scandal and a malpractice suit.

RF

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98257 Jan 23, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Oh right. Three hundred million firearms in the US..Those criminals who could care less about gun laws will be stepping all over themselves to turn in their illegal weapons. Liberal logic is often comical, wouldn't you agree?
Crims have no legal access to guns so where do they get them?
10-15% they steal....how can they steal them if the law abiding gun owner has taken the proper precautions to secure said weapons?
Most of the guns that the crims get are through straw purchases...yes that is right they get them from a person that has bought them legally.....stop that and then they won't have access to guns and you wouldn't need them either...oh it's people like you that transact the straw purchases and put the gun into the hand of the criminals....go figure. Read and weep you clueless moronic toad. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#98258 Jan 23, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Oh right. Three hundred million firearms in the US..Those criminals who could care less about gun laws will be stepping all over themselves to turn in their illegal weapons. Liberal logic is often comical, wouldn't you agree?
More precisely your logic! So we just simply give up on the law as a concept and go for the anarchy thing!? When it comes to gun control you f-ing gun-a-holics either want a 100% effective law - or nothing, no exceptions! It's the mark of freaks and lunatics ...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98259 Jan 23, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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The overwhelming majority of gun owners do not cause massacres How do you know many of the other shooters weren't on drugs, too? You don't. Obviously prescribing psychotic drugs willy nilly in the school rooom has some unattended consequences, wouldn't you agree? You should unless you are a moron.
The reason I know is, if they had been on drugs, and killed someone with a gun the NRA and gun owners would be on it like a shot.... These fanatics rely on such excuses to deny the fact that easy access to weapons is the final result in any massacre, or shooting of any kind....dummy
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#98260 Jan 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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Crims have no legal access to guns so where do they get them?
10-15% they steal....how can they steal them if the law abiding gun owner has taken the proper precautions to secure said weapons?
Most of the guns that the crims get are through straw purchases...yes that is right they get them from a person that has bought them legally.....stop that and then they won't have access to guns and you wouldn't need them either...oh it's people like you that transact the straw purchases and put the gun into the hand of the criminals....go figure. Read and weep you clueless moronic toad. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...


Stop what? There are over 300 million firearms in the US and if it is people like me that transact illegal straw purchases for firearms it is criminals like you that buy those firearms.
Touche, dipsh!t.
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#98261 Jan 23, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Yet a small percentage of users become violentand/or suicidal and the warning labels say so.
Yes, as is the rest of the population, are you making a point here or just being an jackass

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98262 Jan 23, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
In an exclusive in-person interview in New York City with WND, London-based Dr. David Healy criticized pharmaceutical companies that have made billions of dollars marketing Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors, known as SSRIs.( Prozac , Zoloft , Paxil , Celexa (, Lexapro and Luvox)
Psychotropic drugs “prescribed for school children cause violent behavior,” Healy stated.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/top-psychiatrist-m...
And if there was no easy access to guns in their violent state....they would just punch their locker like normal teens.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98263 Jan 23, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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For all those interested in joining the NRA , go to the following link
http://membership.nrahq.org/
Osama Bin Laden, your terrorist ideal, would have been so proud of you for that propaganda promotion....encouraging more deaths to Americans...Allah is good!

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98264 Jan 23, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
Andrea Yates, in one of the most heartrending crimes in modern history, drowned all five of her children – aged 7 years down to 6 months – in a bathtub. Insisting inner voices commanded her to kill her children, she had become increasingly psychotic over the course of several years. At her 2006 murder re-trial (after a 2002 guilty verdict was overturned on appeal), Yates’ longtime friend Debbie Holmes testified:“She asked me if I thought Satan could read her mind and if I believed in demon possession.” And Dr. George Ringholz, after evaluating Yates for two days, recounted an experience she had after the birth of her first child:“What she described was feeling a presence … Satan … telling her to take a knife and stab her son Noah,” Ringholz said, adding that Yates’ delusion at the time of the bathtub murders was not only that she had to kill her children to save them, but that Satan had entered her and that she had to be executed in order to kill Satan.Yates had been taking the antidepressant Effexor. I

n November 2005, more than four years after Yates drowned her children, Effexor manufacturer Wyeth Pharmaceuticals quietly added “homicidal ideation” to the drug’s list of “rare adverse events.” The Medical Accountability Network, a private nonprofit focused on medical ethics issues, publicly criticized Wyeth, saying Effexor’s “homicidal ideation” risk wasn’t well-publicized and that Wyeth failed to send letters to doctors or issue warning labels announcing the change.And what exactly does “rare” mean in the phrase “rare adverse events”? The FDA defines it as occurring in less than one in 1,000 people. But since that same year 19.2 million prescriptions for Effexor were filled in the U.S., statistically that means thousands of Americans might experience “homicidal ideation”– murderous thoughts – as a result of taking just this one brand of antidepressant drug.Effexor is Wyeth’s best-selling drug, by the way, which in one recent year brought in over $3 billion in sales, accounting for almost a fifth of the company’s annual revenues.
Which topic are you on now, is it still guns?.... I am sure that murder and deaths can be attributed to many things...but how many women drown five of her kids in the bath as opposed to those killed or murdered by guns you dolt? Google that and get back to me....
Dr Freud

UK

#98265 Jan 23, 2013
sairla wrote:
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That's it, the situation in America is different to ours - students have the right to protection so if that means armed guards, then that is the way it is.
Students DO NOT have the 'right' to 'armed protection.'
In fact, NOBODY has the 'right' to armed protection, inasmuch as NO SUCH RIGHT exists.
Certainly, EVERYONE has THE RIGHT to protect themselves, but NOBODY has THE RIGHT to demand that any other person provide protection for them.
Dr Freud

UK

#98266 Jan 23, 2013
Spocko wrote:
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Yes, as is the rest of the population, are you making a point here or just being an jackass
It's YOURSELF who's being the JACKARSE!
http://www.ssristories.com/index.php...
Dr Freud

UK

#98267 Jan 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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Which topic are you on now, is it still guns?.... I am sure that murder and deaths can be attributed to many things...but how many women drown five of her kids in the bath as opposed to those killed or murdered by guns you dolt? Google that and get back to me....
"Which topic are you on now, is it still guns?"
No, the topic is YOUR continued obstinate denial of the truth: Guns are NOT the cause of anything.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98268 Jan 23, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
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"Which topic are you on now, is it still guns?"
No, the topic is YOUR continued obstinate denial of the truth: Guns are NOT the cause of anything.
Oh I know....it is not the guns it is the people or the drugs they take....but never the easy access to guns...nooooooo.

How can a person kill another person via a bullet, lessen it has come from a gun...tell me that! Guns do kill people and animals etc....there is no need for them or the second ammendment is there!

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98270 Jan 23, 2013
PS for Fraud!.....Should read: "or else" there is no need for them or the second ammendment, is there!
GoGoBar

Thailand

#98276 Jan 23, 2013
The Sherrif on the Lone Star Campus Argument

Idiocy. Stupidity," Garcia told reporters. "We had individuals who did not care about putting other people in harm's way. It was a ridiculous, adolescent confrontation that occurred. But if we can make an example out of anyone, we will."

Pressed for details, Garcia added, "We're still clearing that up. But a confrontation occurred, and somebody thought, in their peanut-sized brain, that maybe a firearm on a campus would be the way to settle it."

Peanut Sized Brain! LOL
GoGoBar

Thailand

#98277 Jan 23, 2013
Idiocy. Stupidity," Garcia told reporters. "We had individuals who did not care about putting other people in harm's way. It was a ridiculous, adolescent confrontation that occurred. But if we can make an example out of anyone, we will."

Pressed for details, Garcia added, "We're still clearing that up. But a confrontation occurred, and somebody thought, in their peanut-sized brain, that maybe a firearm on a campus would be the way to settle it."

Peanut Sized Brain said the Sherrif.

lol

Since: Jan 12

Where The Wild Things Grow

#98278 Jan 23, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
Students DO NOT have the 'right' to 'armed protection.'
In fact, NOBODY has the 'right' to armed protection, inasmuch as NO SUCH RIGHT exists.
Certainly, EVERYONE has THE RIGHT to protect themselves, but NOBODY has THE RIGHT to demand that any other person provide protection for them.
Yes,'everyone has the right to protect themselves'- young children however, are not capable of protecting themselves in many instances - which is why there are laws in place to provide that protection, from any of a multitude of potential ills. Do you not think that adults have a responsibility to protect children and that children have a right to be protected?
GoGoBar

Thailand

#98279 Jan 23, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
Students DO NOT have the 'right' to 'armed protection.'
In fact, NOBODY has the 'right' to armed protection, inasmuch as NO SUCH RIGHT exists.
Certainly, EVERYONE has THE RIGHT to protect themselves, but NOBODY has THE RIGHT to demand that any other person provide protection for them.
How does that work put for younger students in High Schools and Elementary Schools?
Is Wayne LaPierre wrong?

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