It's the Guns, Stupid

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“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Spocko

Oakland, CA

#98281 Jan 23, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
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The SWAT Team

Tempe, AZ

#98282 Jan 23, 2013
sairla wrote:
<quoted text>
you have no right to be protected
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downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#98283 Jan 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Which topic are you on now, is it still guns?.... I am sure that murder and deaths can be attributed to many things...but how many women drown five of her kids in the bath as opposed to those killed or murdered by guns you dolt? Google that and get back to me....


Just showing the widespread dangers of the drugs that are given out in schools for many supposedly out of control students which apparently went over your head. Yet in retrospect,that isn't saying much when it is directed at one with his head in the sand. Dolt is such a pussy word and I picture sheeple yelling "dolt" at each other.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#98284 Jan 23, 2013
Of course the idiocy of the self defence argument is this.
All of the people do not have guns. The poorest people cannot AFFORD firearms. Particularly the sophisticated but reliable rapid fire semi auto pistols with large capacity magazines.
As long as more sophisticated guns are sold there can be no equality in the self defence argument.

Gun manufacturers are perverting the 2nd ammendment for profit.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#98285 Jan 23, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
More precisely your logic! So we just simply give up on the law as a concept and go for the anarchy thing!? When it comes to gun control you f-ing gun-a-holics either want a 100% effective law - or nothing, no exceptions! It's the mark of freaks and lunatics ...
He said Obama should post a gun free nation on the Whitehouse door. Wouldn't that encompass 100% removal of 300 million firearms? Like I said liberal logic is created in La la land by extreme left wing loonies such as the two of you and apparently you were too stupid to read the contents of the post that I was responding to.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#98287 Jan 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Osama Bin Laden, your terrorist ideal, would have been so proud of you for that propaganda promotion....encouraging more deaths to Americans...Allah is good!
Osama bin Laden was killed by Navy SEALS and many Navy SEALS are NRA members. Chris Kyle, lifetime NRA member is a former Navy SEAL and the most lethal sniper in American history On his Facebook page he has a picture of a combat soldier armed with a Gatling gun with the following words:
"Mayor Michael Bloomberg says 19 year olds aren't responsible enough to have a pistol or rifle. He obviously forgets who protects his rich pansy ass."
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#98288 Jan 23, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
Of course the idiocy of the self defence argument is this.
All of the people do not have guns. The poorest people cannot AFFORD firearms. Particularly the sophisticated but reliable rapid fire semi auto pistols with large capacity magazines.
As long as more sophisticated guns are sold there can be no equality in the self defence argument.
Gun manufacturers are perverting the 2nd ammendment for profit.
Yet it was Democrats that outlawed the cheap "Saturday Night Specials which were a godsend to the poor law abiding citizen who wanted to protect himself. Democrats have been perverting the 2nd Amendment from the moment they learned how to walk upright.
GoGoBar is a retard

Venezuela

#98289 Jan 23, 2013
Shut your stupid mouth GoGoBar
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Go and stick your head in a toilet.
I hope you die from a painful form of cancer you piece of dog turd.

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rider

Gwinn, MI

#98291 Jan 23, 2013

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98292 Jan 23, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
.
Just showing the widespread dangers of the drugs that are given out in schools for many supposedly out of control students which apparently went over your head.

A: You need to tell me how the yanks overprescribe and over dose themselves and their kids?....It is legendary and to think that 40% of those people have guns....What in gods name does that tell YOU!

Yet in retrospect,that isn't saying much when it is directed at one with his head in the sand.

A: I think I have quite clearly stated it is not MOI head in the sand it is you with your head up the bum of the IRA oops NRA....

Dolt is such a pussy word and I picture sheeple yelling "dolt" at each other
Dolt is a great word it conjurs up a huge lumbering oaf with little or no brains...fits you to a tee.
Dr Freud

UK

#98293 Jan 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh I know....it is not the guns it is the people or the drugs they take....but never the easy access to guns...nooooooo.
How can a person kill another person via a bullet, lessen it has come from a gun...tell me that! Guns do kill people and animals etc....there is no need for them or the second ammendment is there!
"How can a person kill another person via a bullet,"
What is an arrow, a rock slung, or a spear, if not a projectile?
You play with words, not unlike a kiddie fiddler plays with kiddies.
Dr Freud

UK

#98294 Jan 23, 2013
sairla wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes,'everyone has the right to protect themselves'- young children however, are not capable of protecting themselves in many instances - which is why there are laws in place to provide that protection, from any of a multitude of potential ills. Do you not think that adults have a responsibility to protect children and that children have a right to be protected?
"Do you not think that adults have a responsibility to protect children and that children have a right to be protected?"

The responsibility to PROVIDE, is just that: A RESPONSIBILITY.
However, that responsibility cannot be said to be a 'right' on the part of the one benefitting from the responsibility.
Take that to another level: YOUR nation has the RESPONSIBILITY to defend you from attack by another nation.
BUT, YOU do NOT have the RIGHT to be protected, regardless.
Frog

Saint Louis, MO

#98295 Jan 23, 2013
Ribbit Ribbit!
Dr Freud

UK

#98296 Jan 23, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
How does that work put for younger students in High Schools and Elementary Schools?
Is Wayne LaPierre wrong?
As I've pointed out previously: There is NO RIGHT to protection.
However, there IS a RESPONSIBILITY to protect.
Dr Freud

UK

#98297 Jan 23, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks about as legit as a porno website
It's YOURSELF who's being the JACKARSE!
http://www.ssristories.com/index.php...
Provocateur

Denver, CO

#98298 Jan 23, 2013
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
If George Harrison had a gun he wouldn't been stabbed 40 times by a home intruder.
But if he'd had a gun he'd still be alive right? And if those kids in Conn. had been armed they would have killed the gun hugging nut case, I know, if you had been there everyone would still be alive is that the point your trying to make... arm everybody.

'A Revolver,' by Carl Sandburg 1939

Here is a revolver.

It has an amazing language all its own.

It delivers unmistakable ultimatums.

It is the last word.

A simple, little human forefinger can tell a terrible story with it.

Hunger, fear, revenge, robbery hide behind it.

It is the claw of the jungle made quick and powerful.

It is the club of the savage turned to magnificent precision.

It is more rapid than any judge or court of law.

It is less subtle and treacherous than any one lawyer or ten.

When it has spoken, the case can not be appealed to the supreme court, nor any mandamus nor any injunction nor any stay of execution come in and interfere with the original purpose.

And nothing in human philosophy persists more strangely than the old belief that God is always on the side of those who have the most revolvers.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#98299 Jan 23, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
As I've pointed out previously: There is NO RIGHT to protection.
However, there IS a RESPONSIBILITY to protect.
So you cannot protect your kids. That is what all the fuss is about.
Protect from whom. The bad man with a gun.
What you gunna do?
Hope another mass shooting never occurs?
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#98300 Jan 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>Just showing the widespread dangers of the drugs that are given out in schools for many supposedly out of control students which apparently went over your head.
A: You need to tell me how the yanks overprescribe and over dose themselves and their kids?....It is legendary and to think that 40% of those people have guns....What in gods name does that tell YOU!
Yet in retrospect,that isn't saying much when it is directed at one with his head in the sand.
A: I think I have quite clearly stated it is not MOI head in the sand it is you with your head up the bum of the IRA oops NRA....
Dolt is such a pussy word and I picture sheeple yelling "dolt" at each other
Dolt is a great word it conjurs up a huge lumbering oaf with little or no brains...fits you to a tee.
I always thought a dolt was an Aussie who shagged his sheep which would be right up your alley. Going bareback would be shagging the sheep after shearing the sheep, dolt.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#98301 Jan 23, 2013
Provocateur wrote:
<quoted text>
But if he'd had a gun he'd still be alive right? And if those kids in Conn. had been armed they would have killed the gun hugging nut case, I know, if you had been there everyone would still be alive is that the point your trying to make... arm everybody.
'A Revolver,' by Carl Sandburg 1939
Here is a revolver.
It has an amazing language all its own.
It delivers unmistakable ultimatums.
It is the last word.
A simple, little human forefinger can tell a terrible story with it.
Hunger, fear, revenge, robbery hide behind it.
It is the claw of the jungle made quick and powerful.
It is the club of the savage turned to magnificent precision.
It is more rapid than any judge or court of law.
It is less subtle and treacherous than any one lawyer or ten.
When it has spoken, the case can not be appealed to the supreme court, nor any mandamus nor any injunction nor any stay of execution come in and interfere with the original purpose.
And nothing in human philosophy persists more strangely than the old belief that God is always on the side of those who have the most revolvers.
Or the most experience.


"On a bitterly cold morning in early January 2009 ,the war, in sense, found Chris (Kyle) again. What happened to him not far from his home outside Dallas never made the news, since the town involved didn't want the publicity, but the incident would certainly have made national headlines had a reporter ever gotten a tip about it.
Chris was minding his own business, fueling his pickup truck at a gas station, when he found himself at gunpoint. Two men holding pistols demanded his truck. Law enforcement will usually advise you to gve in to the criminal in a situation like this. And that's good advice. But Chris took another route. Very calmly and coolly, he size up which of the two was handling his pistol most comfortably. He put his hands up and told them he was going to reach into the truck for his keys.Then his hand went under his coat. From a waisband holster, he pulled his Colt 1911. Swinging the pistol under his left armpit, he gave each robber two .45 cal HYdra -Shok hollow points to the chest. By the time the cops responded to the 911 call from the terrified lady who had locked herself in a car behind Chris's truck, the matter was settled. Elapsed time: about ten seconds. The service station security cameras caught the whole thing.
I pray for anyone whose life gets so desperate that he or she chooses to resort to a life of crime, but its hard to resist cold laughter all the same: I mean, how unlucky a dumbass do you have to be to target a random guy for felony armed assault and find out he's killed more people than smallpox?"

As told by Marcus Luttrell , former Navy Seal And author of "Lone Survivor" He writes about the incident in his second book, "Service"(2012)

Chris Kyle is a former Navy Seal and the author of "American Sniper, The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History." (2012)
He served four tours in Iraq, awarded two Silver Stars, five Bronze Stars with Valor, shot twice and involved in six separate IED explosions.He is credited with 160 confirmed kills and 95 probables .
Dr Freud

UK

#98302 Jan 23, 2013
Provocateur wrote:
<quoted text>
But if he'd had a gun he'd still be alive right? And if those kids in Conn. had been armed they would have killed the gun hugging nut case, I know, if you had been there everyone would still be alive is that the point your trying to make... arm everybody.
'A Revolver,' by Carl Sandburg 1939
Here is a revolver.
It has an amazing language all its own.
It delivers unmistakable ultimatums.
It is the last word.
A simple, little human forefinger can tell a terrible story with it.
Hunger, fear, revenge, robbery hide behind it.
It is the claw of the jungle made quick and powerful.
It is the club of the savage turned to magnificent precision.
It is more rapid than any judge or court of law.
It is less subtle and treacherous than any one lawyer or ten.
When it has spoken, the case can not be appealed to the supreme court, nor any mandamus nor any injunction nor any stay of execution come in and interfere with the original purpose.
And nothing in human philosophy persists more strangely than the old belief that God is always on the side of those who have the most revolvers.
"But if he'd had a gun he'd still be alive right? "

If he'd had one immediately available to him, would he not still be alive, had he resorted to that pistol?

"And if those kids in Conn. had been armed they would have killed the gun hugging nut case,"

And why not? If they could have employed their pistols, would they then not have told the story of their salvation by pistol?

And F U CK Carl Sandburg, with YOUR dirty dick!

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