It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103330 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98270 Jan 23, 2013
PS for Fraud!.....Should read: "or else" there is no need for them or the second ammendment, is there!
GoGoBar

Thailand

#98276 Jan 23, 2013
The Sherrif on the Lone Star Campus Argument

Idiocy. Stupidity," Garcia told reporters. "We had individuals who did not care about putting other people in harm's way. It was a ridiculous, adolescent confrontation that occurred. But if we can make an example out of anyone, we will."

Pressed for details, Garcia added, "We're still clearing that up. But a confrontation occurred, and somebody thought, in their peanut-sized brain, that maybe a firearm on a campus would be the way to settle it."

Peanut Sized Brain! LOL
GoGoBar

Thailand

#98277 Jan 23, 2013
Idiocy. Stupidity," Garcia told reporters. "We had individuals who did not care about putting other people in harm's way. It was a ridiculous, adolescent confrontation that occurred. But if we can make an example out of anyone, we will."

Pressed for details, Garcia added, "We're still clearing that up. But a confrontation occurred, and somebody thought, in their peanut-sized brain, that maybe a firearm on a campus would be the way to settle it."

Peanut Sized Brain said the Sherrif.

lol

Since: Jan 12

Where The Wild Things Grow

#98278 Jan 23, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
Students DO NOT have the 'right' to 'armed protection.'
In fact, NOBODY has the 'right' to armed protection, inasmuch as NO SUCH RIGHT exists.
Certainly, EVERYONE has THE RIGHT to protect themselves, but NOBODY has THE RIGHT to demand that any other person provide protection for them.
Yes,'everyone has the right to protect themselves'- young children however, are not capable of protecting themselves in many instances - which is why there are laws in place to provide that protection, from any of a multitude of potential ills. Do you not think that adults have a responsibility to protect children and that children have a right to be protected?
GoGoBar

Thailand

#98279 Jan 23, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
Students DO NOT have the 'right' to 'armed protection.'
In fact, NOBODY has the 'right' to armed protection, inasmuch as NO SUCH RIGHT exists.
Certainly, EVERYONE has THE RIGHT to protect themselves, but NOBODY has THE RIGHT to demand that any other person provide protection for them.
How does that work put for younger students in High Schools and Elementary Schools?
Is Wayne LaPierre wrong?
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#98280 Jan 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
And if there was no easy access to guns in their violent state....they would just punch their locker like normal teens.
And if there was no easy access to lockers they could bang their heads into the wall.If there was no easy access to walls they could smash into other students. Tired of being the recipients of wounds caused by school created druggies, the nerds would invent assault style weapons to defend themselves against the psychotic smashers.
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#98281 Jan 23, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
It's YOURSELF who's being the JACKARSE!
http://www.ssristories.com/index.php...
Looks about as legit as a porno website
The SWAT Team

Tempe, AZ

#98282 Jan 23, 2013
sairla wrote:
<quoted text>
you have no right to be protected
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PACK YOU BAGS, GET LOST FUDDIHEAD IndoMauritian MalBARCACA IMPOSTOR YOU ARE NOT WANTED HERE and neither is your band of supporting, condoning and loving TOPIX PAID TROLLS, SPAMMERS, REAL AGITATORS and ANARCHISTs. Julie chamberpot WORLD People (Iford Romford UK), Rupert PIN DICK FOOFTER The Maniac Psycho Anti-Muhammad Greensborough Insane Lunatic Nutcase a SPAMalot IDENTITY THIEF and IMPOSTOR Ringwood, Australia SPASTIC FUCKTURD PHAGGOTs

NEVER RETURN
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#98283 Jan 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Which topic are you on now, is it still guns?.... I am sure that murder and deaths can be attributed to many things...but how many women drown five of her kids in the bath as opposed to those killed or murdered by guns you dolt? Google that and get back to me....


Just showing the widespread dangers of the drugs that are given out in schools for many supposedly out of control students which apparently went over your head. Yet in retrospect,that isn't saying much when it is directed at one with his head in the sand. Dolt is such a pussy word and I picture sheeple yelling "dolt" at each other.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#98284 Jan 23, 2013
Of course the idiocy of the self defence argument is this.
All of the people do not have guns. The poorest people cannot AFFORD firearms. Particularly the sophisticated but reliable rapid fire semi auto pistols with large capacity magazines.
As long as more sophisticated guns are sold there can be no equality in the self defence argument.

Gun manufacturers are perverting the 2nd ammendment for profit.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#98285 Jan 23, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
More precisely your logic! So we just simply give up on the law as a concept and go for the anarchy thing!? When it comes to gun control you f-ing gun-a-holics either want a 100% effective law - or nothing, no exceptions! It's the mark of freaks and lunatics ...
He said Obama should post a gun free nation on the Whitehouse door. Wouldn't that encompass 100% removal of 300 million firearms? Like I said liberal logic is created in La la land by extreme left wing loonies such as the two of you and apparently you were too stupid to read the contents of the post that I was responding to.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#98287 Jan 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Osama Bin Laden, your terrorist ideal, would have been so proud of you for that propaganda promotion....encouraging more deaths to Americans...Allah is good!
Osama bin Laden was killed by Navy SEALS and many Navy SEALS are NRA members. Chris Kyle, lifetime NRA member is a former Navy SEAL and the most lethal sniper in American history On his Facebook page he has a picture of a combat soldier armed with a Gatling gun with the following words:
"Mayor Michael Bloomberg says 19 year olds aren't responsible enough to have a pistol or rifle. He obviously forgets who protects his rich pansy ass."
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#98288 Jan 23, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
Of course the idiocy of the self defence argument is this.
All of the people do not have guns. The poorest people cannot AFFORD firearms. Particularly the sophisticated but reliable rapid fire semi auto pistols with large capacity magazines.
As long as more sophisticated guns are sold there can be no equality in the self defence argument.
Gun manufacturers are perverting the 2nd ammendment for profit.
Yet it was Democrats that outlawed the cheap "Saturday Night Specials which were a godsend to the poor law abiding citizen who wanted to protect himself. Democrats have been perverting the 2nd Amendment from the moment they learned how to walk upright.
GoGoBar is a retard

Venezuela

#98289 Jan 23, 2013
Shut your stupid mouth GoGoBar
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I hope you die from a painful form of cancer you piece of dog turd.

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rider

Gwinn, MI

#98291 Jan 23, 2013

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98292 Jan 23, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
.
Just showing the widespread dangers of the drugs that are given out in schools for many supposedly out of control students which apparently went over your head.

A: You need to tell me how the yanks overprescribe and over dose themselves and their kids?....It is legendary and to think that 40% of those people have guns....What in gods name does that tell YOU!

Yet in retrospect,that isn't saying much when it is directed at one with his head in the sand.

A: I think I have quite clearly stated it is not MOI head in the sand it is you with your head up the bum of the IRA oops NRA....

Dolt is such a pussy word and I picture sheeple yelling "dolt" at each other
Dolt is a great word it conjurs up a huge lumbering oaf with little or no brains...fits you to a tee.
Dr Freud

UK

#98293 Jan 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh I know....it is not the guns it is the people or the drugs they take....but never the easy access to guns...nooooooo.
How can a person kill another person via a bullet, lessen it has come from a gun...tell me that! Guns do kill people and animals etc....there is no need for them or the second ammendment is there!
"How can a person kill another person via a bullet,"
What is an arrow, a rock slung, or a spear, if not a projectile?
You play with words, not unlike a kiddie fiddler plays with kiddies.
Dr Freud

UK

#98294 Jan 23, 2013
sairla wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes,'everyone has the right to protect themselves'- young children however, are not capable of protecting themselves in many instances - which is why there are laws in place to provide that protection, from any of a multitude of potential ills. Do you not think that adults have a responsibility to protect children and that children have a right to be protected?
"Do you not think that adults have a responsibility to protect children and that children have a right to be protected?"

The responsibility to PROVIDE, is just that: A RESPONSIBILITY.
However, that responsibility cannot be said to be a 'right' on the part of the one benefitting from the responsibility.
Take that to another level: YOUR nation has the RESPONSIBILITY to defend you from attack by another nation.
BUT, YOU do NOT have the RIGHT to be protected, regardless.
Frog

Saint Louis, MO

#98295 Jan 23, 2013
Ribbit Ribbit!
Dr Freud

UK

#98296 Jan 23, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
How does that work put for younger students in High Schools and Elementary Schools?
Is Wayne LaPierre wrong?
As I've pointed out previously: There is NO RIGHT to protection.
However, there IS a RESPONSIBILITY to protect.

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