It's the Guns, Stupid

Apr 20, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Truthdig

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Dr Freud wrote:
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BEWARE: A 'true' democracy is to be avoided like the plague, for in its essence, it is the very quintessence of the tyranny of the majority, where the minority become SLAVES, or worse yet? They are slaughtered!
Therefore, a republic is the VERY BEST form of government, just as long as the MAJORITY are NEVER afforded the leeway to FORCE ANYONE to act against his will.
Sorry but your description is that a right-wing simpleton! We live in a republic (a group of states that are self governing under the umbrella of a centralized or federal government). The type of system we employ is a representative form of democracy (meaning the people vote for people to represent their views instead of directly participating in every bit of legislation). This was done to weigh the needs of the people (the house of representatives) in balance with the needs of the states (the senate). Republic and democracy are descriptions of two different things (one is a form of goverment, the other is the system of goverment). So, for example you have the former Soviet Union, which was a republic, but not a democracy. You also have India, which is a democracy but not a republic. The US is both. N. Korea is neither.
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Another terrorist attack -'they' want Our guns:

Another Gun Free Zone shooting. How many left their firearms in their car?

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/01/22/rpt-seve...
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Dr Freud wrote:
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Your response should have included a reference to the U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8, clause 8:
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;"
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/artic...
The Founders of the United States were well informed, and knew that science, and technology, never stands still.
The Kentucky rifle is a very classic example, right along with the Puckle gun:
http://inventors.about.com/od/militaryhistory...
I thought of that after I posted. The constitution protects ones own thoughts and ideas as ones property by virtue of patents and copyrights.
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spider1954 wrote:
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Although not a religious man, I know that the bible mentions seven deadly sins,,,are you suggesting that man no longer practices them ?
I believe that is what Teaman is refering to,,mans true nature, has changed little in two thousand years and more.
That's correct. The nature of man and especially the nature of powerful men hasn't changed in thousands of years.
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Another terrorist attack -'they' want Our guns:
Another Gun Free Zone shooting. How many left their firearms in their car?
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/01/22/rpt-seve...
How incredibly sad when one only finds comfort in guns alone :-/
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Tm Clmns wrote:
Give it up guys...
Guns are too complicated, dangerous for you..
Maybe switch to clubs or bats. Strike the 2nd.. Amend..
you can't take a gun out of a case without it going off.
you take guns to college and shoot bystanders instead of your
intended target.
You are just going to continue to hurt yourselves.
Let Pres. Obama save you from your inabilities.
You need some gun control.. since you can't control guns.
Maybe it's Coca Cola and big Macs that are screwing your minds up.
or reality tv.
give it up..
The Internet is TOO complicated for you to comprehend, as is evidenced by YOUR continued inability to COMPREHEND that the rest of us WILL NOT surrender to YOUR COMMUNOFASCIST BULLSHIT!
So, GO SHOVE YOUT BS back up YOUR ARSE from where YOU extracted it!

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Dr Freud wrote:
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While many may 'benefit' from the sweat of another's brow, no individual makes any money from the effort, time, and money which he might bring to bear to solve a problem.
That is the very essence of communism, for it declares that no man owns himself, and therefore his intellect is the property of the collective, to be taken advantage of endlessly.
Now, if that's what someone wants, and is willing to live with, then that is their choice to make.
the crux of the meaning of communism is total equality, no rulers equal decision making and equal sharing of profits and losses....We have never seen this applied to any country...Comunism just does not exist in our world...it never has....Russia had rulers, China North Korea has rulers....none of these are communist countries...they and you give communism a bad name because you have no concept of what it means if you believe that in comunism any one can be taken advantage of....just the oposite, comunism is TOTAL equality, we have never, and will never see the likes of it... it cannot succeed because for communism to succeed there should be no greed and no class system.....not possible....you will always get those who want more than their fair share.....THERE IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE A COMMUNIST COUNTRY.....and never has been.
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They did, Cupcake.
ARTICLE V
Not that easy. An amendment needs to be ratified by three fourths of the state legislatures.

The 14th amendment was passed by using extortion. The southern states couldn't have their seats back in congress and remain occupied unless they voted for the 14th.

http://www.constitution.org/14ll/no14th.htm

“Voters elect Big Bird”

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Spocko wrote:
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How incredibly sad when one only finds comfort in guns alone :-/
How incredibly gullible when one believes government is the answer to all problems.

“" BITE ME "”

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Teaman wrote:
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Not that easy. An amendment needs to be ratified by three fourths of the state legislatures.
The 14th amendment was passed by using extortion. The southern states couldn't have their seats back in congress and remain occupied unless they voted for the 14th.
http://www.constitution.org/14ll/no14th.htm
That wasn't the point.

The point was that indeed a mechanism was built into the Constitution to effect change.

It was.

The founders did expect dynamics as the country grew. Hence, Article V.
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the crux of the meaning of communism is total equality, no rulers equal decision making and equal sharing of profits and losses....We have never seen this applied to any country...Comunism just does not exist in our world...it never has....Russia had rulers, China North Korea has rulers....none of these are communist countries...they and you give communism a bad name because you have no concept of what it means if you believe that in comunism any one can be taken advantage of....just the oposite, comunism is TOTAL equality, we have never, and will never see the likes of it... it cannot succeed because for communism to succeed there should be no greed and no class system.....not possible....you will always get those who want more than their fair share.....THERE IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE A COMMUNIST COUNTRY.....and never has been.
BUT YOU admit to BEING A COMMUNIST, and WANTING to FORCE that polity upon EVERYONE ELSE!
Thank you for THAT admission!
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Teaman wrote:
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Not that easy. An amendment needs to be ratified by three fourths of the state legislatures.
The 14th amendment was passed by using extortion. The southern states couldn't have their seats back in congress and remain occupied unless they voted for the 14th.
http://www.constitution.org/14ll/no14th.htm
EXACTLY: BY EXTORTION!
Almost every federal law has been by that same mechanism.
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<quoted text>How incredibly gullible when one believes government is the answer to all problems.
Well, government 'is' THE answer for those not wanting to exert their own efforts on their own behalf, but rather extract the fruits of the labors of OTHERS by way of GOVERNMENT FORCE, in order that they live at the expense of those others so enslaved, as to be the blood suckers reaping the benefits.
You may always tell whom the blood suckers are: They live to suck upon the teat of government largesse.
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Empathica wrote:
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That wasn't the point.
The point was that indeed a mechanism was built into the Constitution to effect change.
It was.
The founders did expect dynamics as the country grew. Hence, Article V.
YES, IT WAS THE POINT!
YOU, quite OBVIOUSLY, would have the U.S. Constitution changed by mere legislative fiat, and at whichever way the political winds happen to be blowing at the moment.

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Dr Freud wrote:
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BEWARE: A 'true' democracy is to be avoided like the plague, for in its essence, it is the very quintessence of the tyranny of the majority, where the minority become SLAVES, or worse yet? They are slaughtered!

A: And yet America a constitutional republic, not a democracy has given birth to the greatest disproportionate amounts of wealth in the world, it has given birth to company monopolies that dominate the wealth and government and world where they use that wealth to decide policy to oppress it's citizens to renew the class system to exploit Blacks and hispanics and lower class white's alike... who serve their masters and do the bidding of those with the power....Viva the Constitutional Republica!

Therefore, a republic is the VERY BEST form of government, just as long as the MAJORITY are NEVER afforded the leeway to FORCE ANYONE to act against his will.

A: No it isn't, you have failed in your effort to promote a sense of fairness and justice where you are no longer ruled or governed by foreign body but by midgen of rich Americans.....where a handful of people( who aren't the government) have 90% of America's wealth...but you have your guns right, so that makes everything equal. The minority have the say and they alone are the richest people in your country...the majority do not rule, it seema your republic has shown at it worst it allows dictatorship through wealth. It is ALWAYS better for the majority to have a voice, than a minority, a majority at least is in the best interest of most...don't you think!
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A: And yet America
CBS News Admits FEMA Camps Are Real
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/11/12/...
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The Tree of MightEdit

Main article: Dragon Ball Z: The Tree of Might
Turles in his spaceship
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Turles seeks out a planet that he would be able to plant the seed of the Tree of Might on, so he can eat the Fruit of the Gods and become exponentially stronger than before.
Turles
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After his arrival to Earth, Turles mainly watches the battle between his men and the Z Fighters in his spaceship. He does not appear until he sees Gohan defeating one of his men, single-handedly. He realizes that he is the son of Kakarot (Goku), and soon meets with him. Gohan is shocked to find that he has almost an identical appearance to his father, and is also in fact a Saiyan. Turles asks him to join his team, but Gohan refuses his offer. Piccolo soon comes to Gohan's rescue, but is defeated easily by Turles.

Turles soon sees that Gohan has grown back his tail. He quickly creates a Power Ball and forces Gohan to look at it. Helpless, Gohan transforms into a Great Ape. Gohan soon goes on a rampage, and nearly kills Goku. He abruptly stops when he sees his friend Icarus in the area. He stops and, thanks to his childhood innocence, plays around with Icarus. However, Turles attacks Icarus, thus provoking Gohan. To Turles' surprise, Gohan is able to control himself and specifically attack Turles. However, Great Ape Gohan is no match for Turles, and is nearly killed. But Goku cuts his tail off before getting hit with Turles' deadly final attack. Goku swears revenge on Turles for causing harm to his son.
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With the Z Warriors defeated with much ease, Turles' men all attack Goku. Watching at the sidelines, Turles is ambushed by Piccolo. Turles is able to survive Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon at point blank range, and with one blast, Turles defeats Piccolo. With a single Kaio-ken, Goku kills all of Turles' men with a single hit each, all dying at the same time. To the anger of Turles, Goku's power continues to increase. Turles soon learns that he had highly underestimated Goku's power, and resorts to eating the fruit from the Tree of Might.
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Eventually, Turles successfully grabs and eats a piece of fruit, which causes his strength to increase dramatically. Even with a Kaio-ken at ten-times (twenty-times in the English dub) its normal strength and a Spirit Bomb formed from what little remained of the planet's energy, Goku is unable to topple Turles, with Turles greatly injuring Goku, scorching his back with a couple of energy blasts. It is only with a newly formed Spirit Bomb containing energy from the Tree of Might that Goku is able to obliterate both Turles and the Tree of Might once and for all.

Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans/Plan to Eradicate the Super SaiyansEdit

Main article: Dragon Ball: Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans
Turles in Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans
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Phantom versions of Turles, Cooler, Lord Slug and Frieza are shown harassing the Z Fighters. In the battle, Turles is easily killed by Gohan.
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Despite being considered a low-class Saiyan warrior, Turles' base power level is higher than that of other Saiyans of that tier. He was able to beat Piccolo (before eating any fruit) whose power level was at 18,000 (the same as Cui's and Vegeta's during the Saiyan Saga). This could be due to his travels across the galaxies making him stronger as he ravaged countless planets.
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It was stated by Turles himself that Goku had a power level of roughly 30,000. A battle ensued with Goku gaining a slight edge, but Turles was able to hold his own, which meant that Turles' power level was comparable to 30,000. After eating a piece of fruit from the Tree of Might, Turles' power level increased dramatically. Goku then multiplied his Kaio-ken by tenfold to try and match him, but Turles defeated Goku's Kaio-ken x10 (x20 in the English dub) with ease. Goku's power level was roughly 300,000 when he used the Kaio-ken x10. If Turles was able to defeat that with ease, this would possibly put Turles at a level to where he could rival that of Frieza in his first form, who had a confirmed power level of 530,000 (in the FUNimation dub of the movie, Goku says Kaio-ken x20; which may have been added to show how great Turles' power is and show it could be over 600,000, making him stronger than Frieza's first form).

Turles also ate another fruit after beating Piccolo, Tien, Yamcha, Krillin and Chiaotzu, which would boost his power to even greater heights, although by how much is unknown.

Techniques and special abilitiesEdit
&#9632;Fruit of the Tree of Might – Turles has somehow obtained the seeds of the Tree of Might, and has planted them on various planets to produce fruit that gives the eater immense strength enhancement. Turles has eaten plenty of them to become extremely powerful, dramatically transcending the levels of his former status as a low-class warrior.
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&#9632;Flight – Like most characters in the series, Turles can manipulate his ki to push him off the ground and take flight.
&#9632;Kill Driver – Turles creates a fiery ring of ki and launches it at his opponents, releasing a massive explosion that is strong enough to kill a Great Ape.
&#9632;Full Power Energy Barrage Wave – Turles releases a rapid barrage of purple energy spheres at his opponents, causing a massive accumulation of damage.
&#9632;I'll Dig Your Grave!– Turles punches the opponent, followed by a knee strike to the air. Then, he knocks the opponent to the ground, followed by a Full Power Energy Barrage Wave. Turles used this attack against Goku towards the end of the film.
&#9632;Meteor Burst – His Ultimate Blast in the Budokai Tenkaichi series. Turles charges at the foe and knees them into the air, then flies up to them in midair, knees them in the gut and smashes them down to the ground, then right before the foe hits the ground, Turles charges down at them, knees them in the gut again, and then lets them fall, pinning their heads to the ground with his foot. Then to finish them off, he blasts the helpless enemy with the Pulse Drive (the same column of energy that he used against Piccolo in the Film).
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&#9632;Pulse Drive – Turles fires a large and powerful beam of purple energy from either his palm or index finger. Upon impact, a second, larger column of purple energy erupts from target causing a double hit.
&#9632;Calamity Blaster – A large and powerful beam of energy. Turles used this twice to counter Goku's Spirit Bombs. The Calamity Blaster was named in Dragon Ball: Raging Blast 2.
&#9632;Power Ball – By combining his ki with the planet's atmosphere, Turles can create a ball of condensed Blutz rays, which simulates the effects of a full moon, allowing him to transform into a Great Ape. In the FUNimation dub, he calls this technique a Moon Blast.
&#9632;Chou Makouhou – One of Great Ape Turles' Blast 2 in the Budokai Tenkaichi series.
&#9632;Chou Makouhou Barrage – One of Great Ape Turles' Blast 2 in the Budokai Tenkaichi series.
&#9632;Chou Makousen – Great Ape Turles' Ultimate Blast in the Budokai Tenkaichi series.
&#9632;Howl – One of Great Ape Turles' Blast 1 in the Budokai Tenkaichi series.
&#9632;Explosive Wave – One of Turles' Blast 1 in the Budokai Tenkaichi series.
&#9632;Dragonthrow – Turles uses this throw in the Budokai Tenkaichi series.

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Great ApeEdit
Turles in his Great Ape transformation
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Like all Saiyans with a tail, Turles can transform into a Great Ape at the sight of a full moon (or similar sources). Though he has never transformed in the Movie, and he stated that he would lose his wits if he does, he is seen transformed in Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3.

Video game appearancesEdit

Turles appears as a Ghost Warrior in the Famicom game Saiyajin Zetsumetsu Keikaku and its Playdia adaption Shin Saiyajin Zetsumetsu Keikaku - Chiky&#363;-Hen, but is eventually killed again, this time by Gohan. In an alternate ending in the Playdia version, Turles ends up killing Gohan instead.
Turles as he appears in Raging Blast 2
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He made his first appearance as a playable character in Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2, featuring a never before seen Great Ape transformation.[2] His Great Ape form in the game is typical of untrained lower-class soldiers, and cannot control his mind. Turles is also a playable character in his base and Great Ape forms in Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3, and he is playable only in his base form in Dragon Ball: Raging Blast 2 and the arcade game Dragon Ball Heroes.
Turles in Dragon Ball Heroes
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In Budokai Tenkaichi 2 and the next installment, Budokai Tenkaichi 3, Turles and Vegeta have a special pre-battle conversation (he and King Vegeta have the same dialogue). Vegeta starts it by saying "Your face is utterly disgusting!", to which Turles replies by saying "Well, this brings back memories." In Dragon Ball: Raging Blast 2, their pre-battle quote involves Turles asking Vegeta to join him by saying "Together, we would be the strongest force in the universe!", to which Vegeta replies "I don't like the way you look...". If Turles defeats Vegeta in all three games, he mocks him by calling him "The Princess of all Saiyans."

Voice actorsEdit
&#9632;Japanese version: Masako Nozawa
&#9632;Ocean Dub: Ted Cole
&#9632;FUNimation Dub: Chris Patton
&#9632;Latin American Dub: Mario Castaρeda
&#9632;Italian Dub: Christian Iansante, Luca Sandri
&#9632;Brazilian Dub: Cassius Romero
&#9632;Portuguese Dub: Henrique Feist
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Ahomana wrote:
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the crux of the meaning of communism is total equality, no rulers equal decision making and equal sharing of profits and losses....We have never seen this applied to any country...Comunism just does not exist in our world...it never has....Russia had rulers, China North Korea has rulers....none of these are communist countries...they and you give communism a bad name because you have no concept of what it means if you believe that in comunism any one can be taken advantage of....just the oposite, comunism is TOTAL equality, we have never, and will never see the likes of it... it cannot succeed because for communism to succeed there should be no greed and no class system.....not possible....you will always get those who want more than their fair share.....THERE IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE A COMMUNIST COUNTRY.....and never has been.
Thank you. How refreshing to hear from somebody who actuslly knows what the words mean!

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