It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103296 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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GoGoBar

Hua Hin, Thailand

#97472 Jan 20, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you answer the question?
My reply was to what I quoted.
What does me owning a gun have to do with your stupidity?
You should come back to Australia from Thailand for a while & see just how far it's gone backwards lately under this pathetic so-called leadership.
Things don't change rapidly after voting & certainly don't move forwards.
The only thing that matters to the government scum is having 100% control of everything.
You should come to Thailand and interact with the geographical future of our country. You will be suprised.
While you are here you might ponder the fact that Thailand has a murder rate of 4.8. The same as the USA. But they have 9x more gun murders than the USA. Why is that?
Do you really think that Australia should not have introduced medicare, a revamped tax system, private pension(super) funding and gun control aimed at avoiding mass shootings by Bozos?
You really need to travel to a country that has land borders with the 300 million muslims in the region beset with incursions on a daily basis.
You are beginning to sound like someone who has never travelled out of their suburb.
How you like me now. Or do you prefer when I talk statistics.
Wally1

Wenatchee, WA

#97473 Jan 20, 2013
I don't think Obama has any clue on what he started by signing exeutive orders that are cleary not allowed to infringe on the 2nd amendment. I think lit the fuse leading to a powder keg, Law abiding gun owners are not going to stand for this first assault on their rights. It's time to stand and fight for your rights, because obviously at the federal level your representatives are not doing their job. Last week, gun and ammunition sales were the highest rate ever! I also must commend the Sheriffs and Police chiefs (most western states)who have announced they will be abiding by their oath to uphold the constitution and not enforcing Obama's illegal executive orders. Remember this simple quote: Without guns, people against them, would not exist.
GoGoBar

Hua Hin, Thailand

#97474 Jan 20, 2013
Wally1 wrote:
I don't think Obama has any clue on what he started by signing exeutive orders that are cleary not allowed to infringe on the 2nd amendment. I think lit the fuse leading to a powder keg, Law abiding gun owners are not going to stand for this first assault on their rights. It's time to stand and fight for your rights, because obviously at the federal level your representatives are not doing their job. Last week, gun and ammunition sales were the highest rate ever! I also must commend the Sheriffs and Police chiefs (most western states)who have announced they will be abiding by their oath to uphold the constitution and not enforcing Obama's illegal executive orders. Remember this simple quote: Without guns, people against them, would not exist.
He knows exactly what he is doing. He declared 3 times that it is time to have a MEANINGFUL discussion about guns.
He has succeeded.

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

Since: Jun 12

respect for anyone...

#97475 Jan 20, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
You should come to Thailand and interact with the geographical future of our country. You will be suprised.
While you are here you might ponder the fact that Thailand has a murder rate of 4.8. The same as the USA. But they have 9x more gun murders than the USA. Why is that?
Do you really think that Australia should not have introduced medicare, a revamped tax system, private pension(super) funding and gun control aimed at avoiding mass shootings by Bozos?
You really need to travel to a country that has land borders with the 300 million muslims in the region beset with incursions on a daily basis.
You are beginning to sound like someone who has never travelled out of their suburb.
How you like me now. Or do you prefer when I talk statistics.
I see talking to you is like trying to talk sense with Ahomana, it goes in one ear & out the other.
You can't answer questions but instead post all sorts of dribble that has nothing to do with what was asked.
I have no desire to ponder the murder rate in Thailand, or anywhere else for that matter.
I have no desire to travel to a country that is bordered by 300 million muslims, we've already got too many fanatics here.
Medicare is a joke, Howard complicated the tax system for the benefit of governments & Howard should spend the rest of his life in prison for what he's done to law abiding gun owners.

I never liked you to begin with, a lot of your 'statistics' are wrong.
The RAT Catchers

Tempe, AZ

#97476 Jan 20, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
I see talking to you is like trying to talk sense with Ahomana, it goes in one ear & out the other.
You can't answer questions but instead post all sorts of dribble that has nothing to do with what was asked.
I have no desire to ponder the murder rate in Thailand, or anywhere else for that matter.
I have no desire to travel to a country that is bordered by 300 million muslims, we've already got too many fanatics here.
Medicare is a joke, Howard complicated the tax system for the benefit of governments & Howard should spend the rest of his life in prison for what he's done to law abiding gun owners.
I never liked you to begin with, a lot of your 'statistics' are wrong.
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/TI...
GoGoBar

Hua Hin, Thailand

#97477 Jan 21, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
I see talking to you is like trying to talk sense with Ahomana, it goes in one ear & out the other.
You can't answer questions but instead post all sorts of dribble that has nothing to do with what was asked.
I have no desire to ponder the murder rate in Thailand, or anywhere else for that matter.
I have no desire to travel to a country that is bordered by 300 million muslims, we've already got too many fanatics here.
Medicare is a joke, Howard complicated the tax system for the benefit of governments & Howard should spend the rest of his life in prison for what he's done to law abiding gun owners.
I never liked you to begin with, a lot of your 'statistics' are wrong.
Well since you like questions, riddle me this.

Why dont you go down to your local school Parents and Teacher meeting and explain to them why you want to have a gun culture.
Explain why the movies and video games are relavent.
Where any BOZO can have any gun he wants.
Do get back to me with the Parent and Teachers reply.
Perhaps you can organise a refferrendum on the matter. That would be fair.
GoGoBar

Hua Hin, Thailand

#97478 Jan 21, 2013
The RAT Catchers wrote:
"If you could build a better mosetrap the world is your oyster."

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

Since: Jun 12

respect for anyone...

#97479 Jan 21, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
Well since you like questions, riddle me this.
Why dont you go down to your local school Parents and Teacher meeting and explain to them why you want to have a gun culture.
Explain why the movies and video games are relavent.
Where any BOZO can have any gun he wants.
Do get back to me with the Parent and Teachers reply.
Perhaps you can organise a refferrendum on the matter. That would be fair.
It's none of the parents or teachers business if I want to own & use guns.
Not anyone here can have any gun they want, only criminals.
Movies & video games are irrelevant.
Referendums are like the rest of politics here, a joke.

Why don't you come up with something intelligent instead of garbage about parents & teachers, most of whom would probably pee their pants if you walked into a meeting & started asking them about guns?

Since: Dec 10

Brisbane, Australia

#97480 Jan 21, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
Guns Give Peace A Chance
Martin Luther King, Gandhi and the Dalai Lama all agreed guns are necessary tools in the defense of a peaceful society and personal security.
http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/guns-gi...
More of your lying bullshit...nice link...so informative....thumbs up...
GoGoBar

Hua Hin, Thailand

#97481 Jan 21, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
It's none of the parents or teachers business if I want to own & use guns.
Not anyone here can have any gun they want, only criminals.
Movies & video games are irrelevant.
Referendums are like the rest of politics here, a joke.
Why don't you come up with something intelligent instead of garbage about parents & teachers, most of whom would probably pee their pants if you walked into a meeting & started asking them about guns?
AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHH! Just as I suspected. You have never been to a Parent and Teachers meeting. Trust me, I have. YOU would be peeing your pants after 3 seconds with your RANT about gun culture.
You could quote Wayne LaPisspantierre about video culture.
You could show them your HARMLESS gun if the law allowed it.

You are a pimple faced boy with no real knowledge of the world.

Sue me!

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#97482 Jan 21, 2013
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
I never said I was happy. So, how could I be happier?
With? By? What difference does it make. You knew what I meant. I got my thought across to you.
You really get off on this don't you?
What difference does it make? I will tell you what the difference is. Those people were BY a madman WITH a gun. They were NOT killed BY the gun. Words have meanings. Use them properly and you won't be seen as such a dipshit.

And baby, if constantly trying to correct your ignorance is what got me off, I would be in a constant state of orgasm. But alas, it doesn't.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#97483 Jan 21, 2013
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
When the government says to you, JUMP! You'll say, how high.
Projecting again, I see.
deport fat losers

Perth, Australia

#97484 Jan 21, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHH! Just as I suspected. You have never been to a Parent and Teachers meeting. Trust me, I have. YOU would be peeing your pants after 3 seconds with your RANT about gun culture.
You could quote Wayne LaPisspantierre about video culture.
You could show them your HARMLESS gun if the law allowed it.
You are a pimple faced boy with no real knowledge of the world.
Sue me!
So you moved to thailand to get away from tax and then said hmmm fck it, I spend all of my days sitting on the internet on an australian forum arguing about US gunlaws ....
I know its been said before but honestly.... get a life !

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#97485 Jan 21, 2013
tinydropthestickgooddog wrote:
Ever notice how all these gunsuckers have got that Little Big Man syndrome - ha ha
its quite comic really . lol
Ever notice how these libtards can only come back with ad hominem attacks and sexual innuendos when they can't hold up their side of the argument??

Quite comical really.
GoGoBar

Hua Hin, Thailand

#97486 Jan 21, 2013
deport fat losers wrote:
<quoted text>
So you moved to thailand to get away from tax and then said hmmm fck it, I spend all of my days sitting on the internet on an australian forum arguing about US gunlaws ....
I know its been said before but honestly.... get a life !
How is that working out for you. Paying tax and posting on here.
I know where I prefer to be.
Unless for some reason you can avoid the GST. I am pretty sure you dont pay income tax. That is what I have trouble with.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Australia

#97487 Jan 21, 2013
tinydropthestickgooddog wrote:
<quoted text>
gosh you are such a suckhole addle - lamean ha ha ah -cough cough splutter
I see the respect I showed you here was misplaced:

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/TI...

Nasty cough, BTW. Some Castor Oil, perhaps?

Since: Dec 10

Brisbane, Australia

#97488 Jan 21, 2013
More arrogance from Yanks overiding warnings and telling the country to take it up with US Embassy.......just deserts for the yanks...too bad for the herritage listed reef...what a bunch of ignorant cocks.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-21/strande...

Since: Dec 10

Brisbane, Australia

#97489 Jan 21, 2013
Oh, another shooting in the US, multiple guns found at the scene and a military type assault riffle that appears to have been used in the shooting by a fifteen year old boy who probably didn't have a record and had access to his fathers weapons...he must have been one of the kids taught to shoot when he was a nipper.......Law abiding kid goes postal....another law abider..not a crim, I bet maybe he is on medication though and that is the excuse the gun toting morons will use eh!....

Where is the NRA and their PR team....can't wait for their next release.....oh and sympathy.....bring it on.....Sometimes it just suck to be so right, there will be more.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-21/us-teen...
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#97493 Jan 21, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
Therefore, the significance of the few gun control measures found to be effective should not be overlooked. There is empirical support for some moderate gun controls. I favor a national "instant records check," which would screen for high-risk gun buyers similar to owner license and purchase permit systems, but without the delays and arbitrary administration which sometimes characterizes those controls. The system should cover nondealer transactions as well as dealer sales, and apply to rifles and shotguns, as well as handguns. Also, tighter licensing of gun dealers and increased enforcement of carry laws may be useful.
Gun control is a very minor, though not entirely irrelevant, part of the solution to the violence problem, just as guns are of only very minor significance as a cause of the problem. The U.S. has more violence than other nations for reasons unrelated to its extraordinarily high gun ownership. Fixating on guns seems to be, for many people, a fetish which allows them to ignore the more intransigent causes of American violence, including its dying cities, inequality, deteriorating family structure, and the all- pervasive economic and social consequences of a history of slavery and racism. And just as gun control serves this purpose for liberals, equally useless "get tough" proposals, like longer prison terms, mandatory sentencing, and more use of the death penalty serve the purpose for conservatives. All parties to the crime debate would do well to give more concentrated attention to more difficult, but far more relevant, issues like how to generate more good-paying jobs for the underclass which is at the heart of the violence problem
Are these estimates plausible? Could it really be true that Americans use guns for self-protection as often as 2.1 to 2.5 million times a year? The estimate may seem remarkable in comparison to expectations based on conventional wisdom, but it is not implausibly large in comparison to various gun-related phenomena. There are probably over 220 million guns in private hands in the U.S.,[57] implying that only about 1% of them are used for defensive purposes in any one year--not an impossibly high fraction. In a December 1993 Gallup survey, 49% of U.S. households reported owning a gun, and 31% of adults reported personally owning one.[58] These figures indicate that there are about 47.6 million households with a gun, with perhaps 93 million, or 49% of the adult U.S. population living in households with guns, and about 59.1 million adults personally owning a gun. Again, it hardly seems implausible that 3%(2.5 million/93 million) of the people with immediate access to a gun could have used one defensively in a given year.

Huge numbers of Americans not only have access to guns, but the overwhelming majority of gun owners, if one can believe their statements, are willing to use a gun defensively. In a December 1989 national survey, 78% of American gun owners stated that they would not only be willing to use a gun defensively in some way, but would be willing to shoot a burglar.[59] The percentage willing to use a gun defensively in some way, though not necessarily by shooting someone, would presumably be even higher than this.
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#97494 Jan 21, 2013
tinydropthestickgooddog wrote:
<quoted text>
a ha- so it was cheap gainsaying -i win again ha ha
- and hey I am at Fairbanks aerodrome - you gonna come pick me up - i have. come to confiscate your guns and give you a flower and some hooch to help you mellow out - tune up drop in and fade out maan .
You failed to follow directions...you'll be waiting a long time.

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