It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103340 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Since: Jan 11

Mount Holly, NJ

#84501 Dec 12, 2012
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
Teaman does the same thing as the Zigmeister. Hmmm.
You wouldn't want to be locked up for the rest of your for something that probably happened, do you?

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#84502 Dec 12, 2012
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
Intuition. It always works for me.
The whole story will never be known, because Zim will make something up. He's in a heap of trouble.
Thank you for your comment.
Just as I thought.......you have nothing. Go into a court of law with your "intuition" and see how far you get.
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84503 Dec 12, 2012
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
You wouldn't want to be locked up for the rest of your for something that probably happened, do you?
Huh?
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84504 Dec 12, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
Just as I thought.......you have nothing. Go into a court of law with your "intuition" and see how far you get.
Only smart people have intuition. Enough said.
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84505 Dec 12, 2012
Put on your seat belts.

In 1983 fire ravaged the Little Bighorn Battlefield. This provided a team of archaeologists and volunteers with the chance to sweep the denuded site with metal detectors and analyze what they found.
In addition to buttons, picket pins, bones, bits of clothing, and other assorted objects the archaeologists found dozens of shell casings.

The casings were analyzed by weapons experts who determined that in addition to the Springfield carbines and Colt revolvers fired by the soldiers, THERE WERE FORTY-THREE ADDITIONAL TYPES OF WEAPONS USED BY THE INDIANS. Some of these were old-style muzzle loaders and single-shot rifles, but a STARTLINGLY LARGE NUMBER OF WARRIORS, PERHAPS AS MANY AS THREE HUNDRED, POSSESSED MODERN REPEATING RIFLES MANUFACTURED BY HENRY AND WINCHESTER CAPABLE OF FIRING SEVENTEEN ROUNDS WITHOUT RELOADING.

Custer's battalion, with its SINGLE-SHOT CARBINES, was OVERWHELMINGLY OUTGUNNED.

GEE, ain't that sumthin.

I hate to say it, but.........ya'll are wrong.

Lalalalalalalalalala.
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84506 Dec 12, 2012
I'm getting embarrassed for y'all.

Bedlam of a buffalo hunt.

While we were charging on one side - our companions attacked the bewildered and panic-stricken herd on the other. The uproar and confusion lasted but a moment. The dust cleared away, and the buffalo could be seen scattering as from a common centre, flying over the plain singly, or in long files and small compact bodies, while behind them followed the INDIANS RIDING AT FURIOUS SPEED, AND YELLING AS THEY LAUNCHED ARROW AFTER ARROW INTO THEIR SIDES.

No cliff?

Well, I'll be darned, arrows can KILL buffalo. Wonders never cease.

Someone should pick up a book and ACTUALLY try reading about the indians, instead of using Google.
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84507 Dec 12, 2012
Everyone THINKS the white man was sooo horrible.

With the signing of the Treaty of 1868, the U.S. government granted the Lakota most of the modern state of South Dakota, along with hunting rights to more then TWENTY-TWO MILLION ACRES of prime buffalo territory.

The following year, Red Cloud and Spotted Tail, the leaders of two of the largest bands of the Lakota, the Oglala and the Brule, respectively, DECIDED that is was in their people's BEST INTEREST to move to government-created reservations in northern Nebraska.

Phew! The truth finally comes out.

Let them eat cake.
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84508 Dec 12, 2012
Everyone who lied - is in hiding.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#84509 Dec 12, 2012
Guppy wrote:
Put on your seat belts.
In 1983 fire ravaged the Little Bighorn Battlefield. This provided a team of archaeologists and volunteers with the chance to sweep the denuded site with metal detectors and analyze what they found.
In addition to buttons, picket pins, bones, bits of clothing, and other assorted objects the archaeologists found dozens of shell casings.
The casings were analyzed by weapons experts who determined that in addition to the Springfield carbines and Colt revolvers fired by the soldiers, THERE WERE FORTY-THREE ADDITIONAL TYPES OF WEAPONS USED BY THE INDIANS. Some of these were old-style muzzle loaders and single-shot rifles, but a STARTLINGLY LARGE NUMBER OF WARRIORS, PERHAPS AS MANY AS THREE HUNDRED, POSSESSED MODERN REPEATING RIFLES MANUFACTURED BY HENRY AND WINCHESTER CAPABLE OF FIRING SEVENTEEN ROUNDS WITHOUT RELOADING.
Custer's battalion, with its SINGLE-SHOT CARBINES, was OVERWHELMINGLY OUTGUNNED.
GEE, ain't that sumthin.
I hate to say it, but.........ya'll are wrong.
Lalalalalalalalalala.
One battle between the white man and indian out of how many where the indian was slaughtered?
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#84510 Dec 12, 2012
Guppy wrote:
Put on your seat belts.
In 1983 fire ravaged the Little Bighorn Battlefield. This provided a team of archaeologists and volunteers with the chance to sweep the denuded site with metal detectors and analyze what they found.
In addition to buttons, picket pins, bones, bits of clothing, and other assorted objects the archaeologists found dozens of shell casings.
The casings were analyzed by weapons experts who determined that in addition to the Springfield carbines and Colt revolvers fired by the soldiers, THERE WERE FORTY-THREE ADDITIONAL TYPES OF WEAPONS USED BY THE INDIANS. Some of these were old-style muzzle loaders and single-shot rifles, but a STARTLINGLY LARGE NUMBER OF WARRIORS, PERHAPS AS MANY AS THREE HUNDRED, POSSESSED MODERN REPEATING RIFLES MANUFACTURED BY HENRY AND WINCHESTER CAPABLE OF FIRING SEVENTEEN ROUNDS WITHOUT RELOADING.
Custer's battalion, with its SINGLE-SHOT CARBINES, was OVERWHELMINGLY OUTGUNNED.
GEE, ain't that sumthin.
I hate to say it, but.........ya'll are wrong.
Lalalalalalalalalala.
Thank you for providing proof the gun can defend those who would other wise be considered unarmed.
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84511 Dec 12, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> One battle between the white man and indian out of how many where the indian was slaughtered?
That is not the point.

The indians had better weapons than the soldiers.

That is the point.

Everyone THOUGHT they had all the answers. Guess not.
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84512 Dec 12, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Thank you for providing proof the gun can defend those who would other wise be considered unarmed.
You are singing a different tune tonight.

Ha!
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84513 Dec 12, 2012
Shaking head and smiling.

Let me know if you want me to look up anything else.

Be happy to.

Love,
Guppy

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#84514 Dec 12, 2012
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
Liberals down under are the conservative types. Labor and the Greens would be closer to our liberals. Just so as not to confuse Aho.:-)
Well I find it works both ways as most Americans cant tell a liberal from a socialist in regards to Aus....but you are right your Democrats are our Liberals and your Republicans are our socialists....how am I doin':D
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#84515 Dec 12, 2012
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
That is not the point.
The indians had better weapons than the soldiers.
That is the point.
Everyone THOUGHT they had all the answers. Guess not.
In ONE battle out of hundreds.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#84516 Dec 12, 2012
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
You are singing a different tune tonight.
Ha!
Same tune. An unarmed society is invaded and slaughtered until they acquire guns to protect themselves. Thanks for once again making my point.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#84518 Dec 12, 2012
Guppy wrote:
Everyone THINKS the white man was sooo horrible.
With the signing of the Treaty of 1868, the U.S. government granted the Lakota most of the modern state of South Dakota, along with hunting rights to more then TWENTY-TWO MILLION ACRES of prime buffalo territory.
The following year, Red Cloud and Spotted Tail, the leaders of two of the largest bands of the Lakota, the Oglala and the Brule, respectively, DECIDED that is was in their people's BEST INTEREST to move to government-created reservations in northern Nebraska.
Phew! The truth finally comes out.
Let them eat cake.
Too bad the indians ALREADY had that land before the white man was generous enough to give them a piece of what they already had.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#84519 Dec 12, 2012
Guppy wrote:
I'm getting embarrassed for y'all.
Bedlam of a buffalo hunt.
While we were charging on one side - our companions attacked the bewildered and panic-stricken herd on the other. The uproar and confusion lasted but a moment. The dust cleared away, and the buffalo could be seen scattering as from a common centre, flying over the plain singly, or in long files and small compact bodies, while behind them followed the INDIANS RIDING AT FURIOUS SPEED, AND YELLING AS THEY LAUNCHED ARROW AFTER ARROW INTO THEIR SIDES.
No cliff?
Well, I'll be darned, arrows can KILL buffalo. Wonders never cease.
Someone should pick up a book and ACTUALLY try reading about the indians, instead of using Google.
Arrow after arrow. Just how many arrows does it take to kill a buffalo? The average Sharps 45-70 could do it in one shot.
Dr Freud

Sandefjord, Norway

#84520 Dec 12, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I find it works both ways as most Americans cant tell a liberal from a socialist in regards to Aus....but you are right your Democrats are our Liberals and your Republicans are our socialists....how am I doin':D
Well, you're not 'do'n'(<-- note the correct spelling) anywhere near as well as you think.
In the U.S., a classical liberal is someone who believes in MAXIMUM INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY, and ABSOLUTELY MINIMUM government.
Neither of the current major political parties, i.e., Republican, and Democrat, believe in maximum individual liberty.
Rather, both of them keep pushing for MAXIMUM GOVERNMENT POWER.
On the one hand, the Democrats are socialistic/communistic/Marxis tic, with a limp wrist.
On the other hand, the Republicans have become so milquetoast, and effeminate in dealing with the Democrats, that they are essentially the very same as the Democrats.
In fact, when evaluating all of the data insofar as who does what, then BOTH parties are the one and the same, and have been since well before the year 1900.
The ONLY differences amount to nothing other than 'window dressing.'
I suspect that, when matters in Australia are fully evaluated, that the VERY SAME situation exists there as well.
So, YOUR claim to some kind of 'distinction' is without basis, AT ALL. Your political system has been perverted for at least as long at the U.S. system, by the VERY SAME underhanded power mongers who also control the U.K.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#84522 Dec 12, 2012
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
<quoted text>
Tens of thousands, not hundreds (unless you include the "Atlanteans".
Churchill once said,
If you are not a liberal as a young man, you have no heart.
If you are not a conservative as an old man, you have no brain.
I have both. Guess which one you are missing.
I know we need people like to be optimists in a world with a very thin veneer of civilization.
I also know we need people like me.
" We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. "
Orwell.
I am no longer ready, but I can visit violence on those who would do me or my family harm.
I can only hope you are also capable of that. Also understand that I would not choose to look for trouble. Z looked for trouble, but he did not look for a thug to try and kill him.
We all have a tendency to violence some more so than others, mainly through a lack of control ....
Martin might have been a violent teen but he had no police record and that didn't give Zimmerman the right to shoot him.....Zimmerman on the other hand was a thug, which is proven by his past closed records....and I found this link very interesting as it apears he had a history of following people on the Estate.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/18/4...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/30/tray...

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