It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103311 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Dr Freud

Sandefjord, Norway

#84475 Dec 12, 2012
Teaman wrote:
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Yes, a little money makes the sin go away.:-)
Apparently it does. Early on in Church history, they accepted what's known as 'indulgences' from the wealthy, or anyone who could pay sufficiently, in order to have his sins blessed, i.e., buy one's way into Heaven.
If you're interested, here's an interesting article on the matter:
http://catholicbridge.com/catholic/indulgence...
Other than that, back in ye olden days of yore, there was also such a thing as 'sin eaters.'
See this too:
http://www.logoi.com/notes/sin-eaters.html

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#84476 Dec 12, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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That was last week. On two different occasions you posted the same thing twice with a little bit of tweaking. Thought you were into the sauce in a big way. Were you?
What killed Abe Lincoln?
What killed JFK?
Cerebral Hemorrhage.

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#84478 Dec 12, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Massive blood loss, and a sudden reduction in the amount of grey matter in their cranium.
Ding ding ding.

Correct answer.

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#84479 Dec 12, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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We love their casino's? I have a theory about that.
You Gamble!?
They were Given all that beautiful land in Connecticut. Shaking head.
I gamble all the time, just not with money. We have a casino nearby in Cherokee. Lots o money there. And good for them.
The Red Mans revenge.

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#84480 Dec 12, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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It will be guilty because Zimmerman was carrying a gun/he started a fight with the boy/couldn't take the beating/shot the boy.
Shaking Head.
No gun/no death.
Too bad all the way around.
Thats a lovely hallucination there.

No gun would have equaled neighborhood watch captain death with the thug still running around looking for a new victim.
At least this way we know who did the killing, whether it is justified or not.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84481 Dec 12, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> The white man had supply routes and factories. The not only produced guns but the powder and bullets those guns needed, the indians didn't. Primitive guns were made of less than good grade steel. Rusting and parts breaking was common plus a good cleaning after use was required to prevent corrosion due to the chemical make up of black powder and percussion caps.Dupont also makes plastics used in the medical field and chemicals used in drugs that saves lives. WOW you really don't know anything do you?
Dupont was a merchant of death because they made gun powder. The gun powder was used to kill people.
Yes, Dupont makes plastic etc., but that came much later.
Guns etc. Never read anything about how the guns were made, but you seem to know everything.
True, I know nothing. Boohoo.......

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#84482 Dec 12, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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I haven't read about this case since last spring, but I will try to answer. My pleasure.
How do you know Zim had his head repeatedly slammed into the concrete? One good slam could have broken the skin.
I'll try to simplify this.
Martin was walking through the "gated" neighborhood. Was he on his way to his father's house? If so, he was a guest. He was allowed to be there.
Zim was cruising around looking for interlopers. Had his gun ready to roll.
Zim sees Martin and wants to confront him.
He does.
Fight insues.
Zim is getting worried because he is taking the brunt of it.
Pulls out gun and shoots Martin.
Zim should have waited for cops, but he was hell bent on confronting this guy, that had every reason to be there IF HIS FATHER LIVED THERE. Don't remember if this is true.
Martin is dead for walking through neighborhood and Zim is in enormous trouble.
He'll be found guilty.
Because he is.
It's The Guns, Stupid.
If I see someone I don't recognize on my street, I say hello to them and keep walking. NO ONE but a security guard has the right to ask someone why they are there. NO ONE does that.
If you live in the woods in a secluded area and I was walking down your lane one day.
I would be expected to be asked by the owner of the house what I was doing there.
Guppy
One good slam is all it takes to kill someone. Maybe you feel your brain is immune (it may be) but why do you expect others to allow thugs to bash their heads into the ground without trying to stop the thug.
And he very succesfully stopped the thug.

And with only one well placed shot.

Great shooting all around.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84483 Dec 12, 2012
All cruelty springs from weakness.

Seneca~

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#84484 Dec 12, 2012
Dan C wrote:
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Your biggest problem is not seeing Zimmerman's involvement.
Zimmerman played the punk that night. You nor anyone else has the right to play creep towards an unarmed youth at night in the fashion Zimmerman did. If you think Zimmerman was in the right in his actions that night then in turn you might just support a pedophile following little girls. It's the same reasoning in that they did nothing illegal unless they cross the bounds.
Zimmerman asked for that event to happen that night. He begged for it.
Just because your IQ isn't high enough to figure out which end of a can of soda to open the first try doesn't mean anyone else, especially the jury that is chosen for this trial, will see this case the same way.
FYI.
Why do you think idiots give up the right to protect their own lives when a thug tries to kil them?
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84485 Dec 12, 2012
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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I gamble all the time, just not with money. We have a casino nearby in Cherokee. Lots o money there. And good for them.
The Red Mans revenge.
It's not just the red man who profits from the casino's.

You gamble without money?
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84486 Dec 12, 2012
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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Thats a lovely hallucination there.
No gun would have equaled neighborhood watch captain death with the thug still running around looking for a new victim.
At least this way we know who did the killing, whether it is justified or not.
Thank you.

How do you know the THUG would be running around looking for a new victim?

Justified?

You shouldn't shoot someone just because you happen to be carrying a gun.

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#84487 Dec 12, 2012
Dan C wrote:
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You know what.
Fuck you.
Having a gun does not guarantee a successful outcome on jackshit.
You simpleton gun freaks always lay claim to this yet many whom are armed get killed as well.
WTF do most of you know about combat, crime or real life scenarios.
Myself I think many of you life arcade dreams when it comes to guns and reality.
Jane you ignorant slut, I worked in a prison for 2 years. I worked in a jail for 4 years. I worked in a pysch hospital for the criminally insane for 3 years. I have played paintball for 25 years and have been in over a thousands firefights with weapons that hurt like hell (allowing even dumbshits like you to LEARN from their mistakes).

Your turn, little boy. Why in the world do you think your stupidity is an actual opinion?

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#84488 Dec 12, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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ZD is admitting he has been incarcerated.
Wonders never cease.
And your second guess would be?
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84489 Dec 12, 2012
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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One good slam is all it takes to kill someone. Maybe you feel your brain is immune (it may be) but why do you expect others to allow thugs to bash their heads into the ground without trying to stop the thug.
And he very succesfully stopped the thug.
And with only one well placed shot.
Great shooting all around.
Zigmeister,
The reason the THUG bashed his head into the ground is because Zim probably started the fight. He was protecting himself from a lunatic. The THUG would have won if Zim didn't have a gun.
It's the gun, dummy.
Violent much?

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#84490 Dec 12, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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Zig's been working out in the prison weight room and he is flexing his muscles.
Hate to break it to you, but the Indians were stealing guns and rifles for a long time. After they killed the Americans, they stole, gun, rifles, uniforms, horses and equipment. That went on for a long time.
They would dress up in the American uniforms and totally confuse the Americans. They were crafty.
Broom sticks?
Boom Sticks, you thundering moron.

Have you never heard of google????? Is your internet blocked by the warden???

http://movieclips.com/kNZ2D-army-of-darkness-...
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84491 Dec 12, 2012
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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Cerebral Hemorrhage.
What caused the cerebral hemorrhage?

Are you a nurse practisanal? Can't spell.

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#84492 Dec 12, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
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You and I think very differently.
I think like people have for thousands of years, you think like people that have been trained by liberal public schools, IE to rely on some great gov authority to protect you.
The village is what is important. A family makes uo that village. Strangers are a danger, until proven otherwise.
One of the villagers saw a "suspicious character". Checking out suspuiscious characters is something villagers have been doing for thousands of years, and is a very important evolutionary tool.
A: And you only have the so called word of someone that has experience neighborhood break ins by living in that closed community....a lone black kid in a hoody would no doubt be seen as a threat...but reporting suspicious behaviour and applying that behaviour to this kid was unsubstantiated and bias....Covering each others arse is another thing village people do when the shit hits the fan as well to the point of murder and bigotry...
Everything Z did is something I would like to think anyone in my neighborhood would do.
A: No it isn't because you don't know what he did....you are making the mistake every person with bias does especially when you don't actually know the facts, you weren't there....so you also in your own way, have the same village mentality when a like minded person does what you would have done it is easier to justify his actions and not see them as they are and in this case it points to murder.....
Unfortunately, most of my neighbors are liberals who would not even call the law if they heard screaming in their back yard.
A: you don't have to be a liberal to investigate noises in your back yard, but you might to take matters into your own hand to the point of murder.
Since Trayvon was a "visitor", he had no right to expect to wonder freely thru the village without being confronted. Even the "gangs" understand that concept.
A: I agree.....but there is no evidence to support that he was ever asked what he was doing there or if he had been ordered off either.
Since Z was a villager, he had an obligation to check out the stranger.
A: An obligation to check out yes, not to take matters into his own hands.....
Since that is not part of your thinking process, Z will always be the villian to you, and T will be the hero.
Which is a counter evolutionary way of thinking At least according to me and history.
A: Not true, I understand self defence and I also understand murder, and I look at as much of the evidence as it stands, and I try to put myself in "both" their shoes to work out what happened, and Zimmermans story doesn't add up....there are holes that appear like untruths....if they fill them in then I might think differently but I have read the transcrips in full and heard the accounts and Z is either leaving things out or he is hiding something....No you jump, the gun history isn't finished with Z yet, you will have to re-write history if he is found guilty...and at this time I believe they will....
Tens of thousands, not hundreds (unless you include the "Atlanteans".
Churchill once said,
If you are not a liberal as a young man, you have no heart.
If you are not a conservative as an old man, you have no brain.
I have both. Guess which one you are missing.
I know we need people like to be optimists in a world with a very thin veneer of civilization.
I also know we need people like me.
" We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. "
Orwell.
I am no longer ready, but I can visit violence on those who would do me or my family harm.
I can only hope you are also capable of that. Also understand that I would not choose to look for trouble. Z looked for trouble, but he did not look for a thug to try and kill him.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84493 Dec 12, 2012
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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Boom Sticks, you thundering moron.
Have you never heard of google????? Is your internet blocked by the warden???
http://movieclips.com/kNZ2D-army-of-darkness-...
Interesting movie clip. I thought you were talking about a witch on her broomstick.
Oh.

Who might be the warden?

Yes, I have used google. It's been a while though. I never know what to type in the box. Why, do you?

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#84494 Dec 12, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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The reason the THUG bashed his head into the ground is because Zim probably started the fight.
And what evidence do you have that even remotely proves that???
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84495 Dec 12, 2012
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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Oh for Gods sake.
Now you are just nit picking!!!
Ha!

Wonder what they taste like? Have you tried them?

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