It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103292 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

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Tray

Saltillo, MS

#84235 Dec 9, 2012
Guppy wrote:
About the rock on the stick...
The indians were able to kill enormous buffalo with the dinky rock on the stick.
You were saying...
The buffalo were unarmed and didn't shoot back. Thanks for making my point again.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#84236 Dec 9, 2012
X Obama Supporter wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently you know little to nothing of Indian history. I doubt very much that Custer would agree with you on Indian's losing almost every battle to the white man. In fact, Indian's had several victories over the white man over the course of their fighting. Indian's were not just the "stick with a rock" wielding simpletons that you like to suggest. Indian's were quit deadly with the bow and arrow and became expert horsemen. An Indian riding bareback on a horse with a bow and arrow proved to be quit deadly. They were able to get off several arrows before the white man was even able to reload his gun. It is also a fact that thousands of the Indian's were not killed by the white man with guns but by white man disease introduced into their culture that they did not have the immune system to fight. You should try doing a little reading before spouting off on the history of a race you seem to know little about.
Could you please show where their gun factory was? Could you show how the american indian were almost exterminated since they were such good fighters? The bow and arrow are fine at a few yards but no where near the range of a rifle. Maybe you should study history a little better if you even think the indian even had a chance against a more advanced race. They were not armed to handle the modern weapons of the white man.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#84237 Dec 9, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
The white people gave the Indians their first encounters with forked-tongues and by the time it was found out it was too late. Forts had been built. Land acquired and forces in place to protect it by a systematic war technology unknown to the Indians. Iron Horse. Telegraph. Sheer numbers of well armed and trained military, and settlers.
If the Indians has listened to Tecumseh there could have been a different outcome. He wanted all of the tribes to coalesce as one fighting force instead of fighting as small groups. Tecumseh realized the unification of the paleface forces that could unify on small bands of Indians and wipe them out one group at a time.
Custer was so sure of annihilating these small groups of Indians with superior techniques that he never thought about tribes coming together as they did at Little Bighorn, Sioux, Arapahoe, Cheyenne, Lakota. He paid the ultimate price for his ignorance.
Then again it was not all due to Custer's preparedness. The Indians allowed scouting reports to show fewer Indians than what would eventually come together at Little Bighorn to confront Custer. Sitting Bull put together the coalition of tribes and others from other tribes who left the reservations to join in the effort at Little Bighorn.
Actually we say Little Bighorn but it was not at that perecise location but near that river.
Even though the Indians were victorious against Custer, by then there were reservations, meaning the Indians were already subdued, never to regain their former freedom and glory.
Trusting, as much as anything else, defeated the Indians.
One encounter with Custer? You miss the hundreds he killed before that one encounter.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#84238 Dec 9, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
It is simply a case that you like spout on about what America is number one at...like being a superpower, going to the moon(which is your fall back when all else fails)....I am just supporting you in your bragging rights by informing you of what else America is good at....You have no reason to complain about that unless you can't handle the truth of everything you are excelling in.......ie, most fat, most overprescribed medication, best third world health care of any western nation....sheesh you are never satisfied are you.....can't take it, don't dish it out....
And in regards to the pharmaceutical companies it is Americans that are naive that go to their doctor in the hope to find that pill that cures all their ills even to the point of medicating their kids unecessarily rather than do any decent parenting.... and that gives the pharmaceutical companies power...Greed is what motivates America as a nation and that means their companies often use unethical pratices to push their drugs around the world.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/94e3da58-c5f1-...
America has made great achievements but one of them has not been to become one of the quiet acheivers...it is like the kid who wins an award and just carries on till death living he's past glory days over and over....that is the American attitude, one that doesn't regognise the achievements of others just their own....the ugly parent.
BTW there is a difference between children taking drugs of their own choice(where would the parents be in that scenario) and having them shoved down their throats by the one there to protect them....
Bla Bla Bla. The U.S. is still the most powerful superpower the world has ever known and your not.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#84239 Dec 9, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually the first sentence is where you failed by not seeing that I said most note the word most....it means most right, to continue....most of the men commit most of the crimes...
We should just do what the Amazons did...keep men for slaves like men have done with women since the beginning of time, what, don't like the thought of the boot being on the other foot?) and use them when needed and freeze the sperm...then kill all but the nice ones and there are SOME decent guy s out there, a few but some, and if these woment have a son...if it looks like it is going to have the dumb arse gene, simply get rid of them, this has worked for men...this is only a fairytale because MOST women wouldn't really like to see this occur..because then, they would turn into the thing they dislike the most.
Women are the most downtrodden group of people on the planet and have always been so...so it would be lovely to have just one day a year when the tables are turned...and call it, the day of reckoning, men would shit themselves.
Wells since women are the weaker sex I doubt men have much to fear.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#84240 Dec 9, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually no, I didn't, I included all the information which led Dr Wood and Stoner developing the new spray on skin, and I did so to prove that we(Aussies) in this as in all things, did it better!
She decided to spray on cells instead of grafting them and then only with help. Using technology developed by others. WOW. Isn't that like saying she developed the spoon after someone else developed the fork?
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#84241 Dec 9, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually the first sentence is where you failed by not seeing that I said most note the word most....it means most right, to continue....most of the men commit most of the crimes...
We should just do what the Amazons did...keep men for slaves like men have done with women since the beginning of time, what, don't like the thought of the boot being on the other foot?) and use them when needed and freeze the sperm...then kill all but the nice ones and there are SOME decent guy s out there, a few but some, and if these woment have a son...if it looks like it is going to have the dumb arse gene, simply get rid of them, this has worked for men...this is only a fairytale because MOST women wouldn't really like to see this occur..because then, they would turn into the thing they dislike the most.
Women are the most downtrodden group of people on the planet and have always been so...so it would be lovely to have just one day a year when the tables are turned...and call it, the day of reckoning, men would shit themselves.
Amazon women? Ha Ha Ha. You like fairy tales?
Dr Freud

Lithuania

#84243 Dec 9, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
<quoted text>
Around 75% of cholesterol comes from the liver, the other 25% from our diet,,,cutting out cholesterol, or trying to is not allways healthy, some is actually required. However seek advice.
It is very important to remember that there are two types of cholesterol: LDL, and HDL. The LDL is produced by hydrogenated vegetable oils, margarines, and other oils which should not be used in anything, especially high heat cooking.
With the exception of olive oil, all the other 'modern,' i.e.,'manufactured'/highly processed, cooking oils should be avoided like the plague!
Heating olive oil changes its structure, causing it to lose nutritional content, and may be implicated in adverse health effects in long-term consumption.
The two oils which ARE highly recommended for high heat cooking (such a frying), are red palm oil, and coconut oil. Red palm oil is supreme, tastes great, and is the highest in vitamins A & E. Both these oils are highly nutritious, imparting excellent health benefits.
The importance of HDL cholesterol in the body simply cannot be overstated, because it is absolutely necessary for many bodily processes, and for brain health. A goodly portion of the brain is made of HDL cholesterol, and any attempt to lower ALL cholesterol is asking for trouble big time.
The LDL cholesterol is the one which is responsible for hardening of the arteries (arterial plaque), and the leading cause of both heart attacks and strokes.
The bottom line: If it's not red palm oil, or coconut oil, avoid it like the plague. Use olive oil for low temperature cooking only, of for salad dressings.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#84244 Dec 9, 2012
X Obama Supporter wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps if you want to show your intellect on here you wouldn't judge an entire country, while ignoring actual facts, based on the words of someone you are constantly telling lacks intelligence, it just doesn't exactly make you come off appearing all that smart yourself. You can't be too smart to tell someone they are uninformed or lacking knowledge and then take their post as proof of how an entire country should be judged. Talk about uninformed....
I have serious doubts that all Aussie's would want to be judged by the post you make on here. Real serious doubts!
That's where your ignorance come in...I am not taking just her opinion on Americans, I was doing that before she came on the scene...might help if YOU don't make the same assumptions you are accusing me of. And I am making sweeping general statements to make my point....and to get a desired reaction ...How smart do you feel now?
Dr Freud

Lithuania

#84245 Dec 9, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Wells since women are the weaker sex I doubt men have much to fear.
"... women are the weaker sex ..."

Not exactly. Woman have a higher pain threshold than men. Have you ever borne a child?
The comedian Bill Cosby was once given to remark that he had asked his wife what it was like to give birth, and she replied something to the effect, "Grab hold of your lower lift with both hands, and pull it up over the top of your head!!
;-)
Additionally, women are known to be better shooters than men.
Dr Freud

Lithuania

#84246 Dec 9, 2012
lower lip
agreed

Melbourne, Australia

#84247 Dec 9, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
"... women are the weaker sex ..."
Not exactly. Woman have a higher pain threshold than men. Have you ever borne a child?
The comedian Bill Cosby was once given to remark that he had asked his wife what it was like to give birth, and she replied something to the effect, "Grab hold of your lower lift with both hands, and pull it up over the top of your head!!
;-)
Additionally, women are known to be better shooters than men.
My mother in law is a crack shot .. got a gun for her 21st!(1963)
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84248 Dec 9, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Could you please show where their gun factory was? Could you show how the american indian were almost exterminated since they were such good fighters? The bow and arrow are fine at a few yards but no where near the range of a rifle. Maybe you should study history a little better if you even think the indian even had a chance against a more advanced race. They were not armed to handle the modern weapons of the white man.
Indians didn't have a gun factory. They exchanged captives for money and guns. They also stole the guns and rifles from the dead Americans.
The white buffalo hunters were the ones with the modern weapons that shot up to a mile away. One of the reasons they gave up and went to live on reservations.
The indians were great warriors because they were trained early in life to kill other indians and kill the Americans.
The arrow could hit someone more than a few yards away. The indians had a little trick they would use when being shot at. They would lean over and basically hide themselves behind the head of the horse. Something like a million horses were killed.
If an indian died or was killed, they would kill all the horses of the deceased. Superstitious.
Fascinating group of people.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84249 Dec 9, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> The buffalo were unarmed and didn't shoot back. Thanks for making my point again.
And what was your point, Tracyvon?

The buffalo were unarmed? Probably.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84250 Dec 9, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
It is very important to remember that there are two types of cholesterol: LDL, and HDL. The LDL is produced by hydrogenated vegetable oils, margarines, and other oils which should not be used in anything, especially high heat cooking.
With the exception of olive oil, all the other 'modern,' i.e.,'manufactured'/highly processed, cooking oils should be avoided like the plague!
Heating olive oil changes its structure, causing it to lose nutritional content, and may be implicated in adverse health effects in long-term consumption.
The two oils which ARE highly recommended for high heat cooking (such a frying), are red palm oil, and coconut oil. Red palm oil is supreme, tastes great, and is the highest in vitamins A & E. Both these oils are highly nutritious, imparting excellent health benefits.
The importance of HDL cholesterol in the body simply cannot be overstated, because it is absolutely necessary for many bodily processes, and for brain health. A goodly portion of the brain is made of HDL cholesterol, and any attempt to lower ALL cholesterol is asking for trouble big time.
The LDL cholesterol is the one which is responsible for hardening of the arteries (arterial plaque), and the leading cause of both heart attacks and strokes.
The bottom line: If it's not red palm oil, or coconut oil, avoid it like the plague. Use olive oil for low temperature cooking only, of for salad dressings.
Any attempt to lower all cholesterol is asking for trouble big time.

Are you saying, a person shouldn't take a statin?

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#84251 Dec 9, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Bla Bla Bla. The U.S. is still the most powerful superpower the world has ever known and your not.
You always have that to fall back on that because all the other things America is number one at...aren't worth discussing unless you are a mosochist, oops should include super power in that as well.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84252 Dec 9, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
You always have that to fall back on that because all the other things America is number one at...aren't worth discussing unless you are a mosochist, oops should include super power in that as well.
A. Ho Maniac,

Ha! You outed yourself.

What is a mosochist? Sounds like some sort of bacteria.

Ozziettes should not worry if we are a super power. Just worry about yourself.

You'll have a lot to worry about if Rudd takes over again. You can't believe a word he says. The most insincere person ever. He and his wife should retire to China or someplace.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#84254 Dec 9, 2012
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
A. Ho Maniac,
Ha! You outed yourself.
What is a mosochist? Sounds like some sort of bacteria.
Ozziettes should not worry if we are a super power. Just worry about yourself.
You'll have a lot to worry about if Rudd takes over again. You can't believe a word he says. The most insincere person ever. He and his wife should retire to China or someplace.
There is nothing wrong with Rudd...just the backstabbers he chose to support...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#84255 Dec 9, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Wells since women are the weaker sex I doubt men have much to fear.
Weaker doesn't mean less devious or less smart...it means they have a different method of killing a man who pisses them off, and you wouldn't even see it coming as most men think like you do.....women cannot harm men....that is ridiculous...or is it?
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84256 Dec 9, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
There is nothing wrong with Rudd...just the backstabbers he chose to support...
Why are you sticking up for Rudd? He would never stick up for you. That is, unless you were a somebody.
He needs to retire to a banana plantation or something.

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