It's the Guns, Stupid

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“And that's the end of the issue”

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Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84204 Dec 9, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry but facts speak for themselves. The american indian lost almost every battle with the white man because he was not armed properly to defend himself. They didn't make guns or have money to buy guns. They didn't make powder or bullets and didn't have money to buy them. When they begain fighting the white man they had a stick with a rock on it. When they did aquire firearms and ammo the ammo was soon depleted making the gun useless. The american indian outnumbered the white man at over a thousand to one in the beginning so the FACT they could not defend themselves properly was the reason they were almost annihilated. History has shown over and over those who don't have the ability to defend themselves eventually are enslaved or slaughtered by the more powerful. Now do you want to show the american indian driving the severely out numbered white man off their land and back to europe with their better guns or do you want ketchup and salt with your statement?
The indians did have guns, rifles and ammo. The would steal little white children and then SELL them back to their families ~ that is IF the indians hadn't killed their families.
A stick with a rock on it would take down enormous buffalo. Indians were excellent shots. As soon as they could walk~they were taught how to be a warrior.
The indians GAVE UP because they were starving, freezing and their enemies were getting much better fire power. Oh, and a few of their leaders were very savvy/street smart. One of the savvy leaders (Quannah Parker) built a very nice house with all the modern conveniences (telephone etc) and became a fairly rich guy. He wore suits and entertained the president in his house. Quanah's mother was white. Cynthia Ann Parker. You should read about her. Pretty interesting. After the indians kidnapped her~they liked her~so they kept her. And she liked them.
Tracyvon ~ I don't eat/slurp ketchup nor do I use salt. How about an excellent vegan meal? I could go for that!

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#84205 Dec 9, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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Gee, that didn't make a lot of sense did it? Please reread what you wrote and I think you will agree with me.
I would call the police.. Never said THEY shouldn't carry weapons. YOU shouldn't arm yourself. The average citizen should NOT be allowed to carry weapons.
It's not rocket science.
The average criminal should not be allowed to carry a gun,,,but strangely they DO. IS that rocket science ?
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84206 Dec 9, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
Well,,,I got that all wrong. Apparently tha native Americans chased them over cliffs,,the most famous of which is Vore buffalo jump Wyoming,,an estimated 20.000 animals killed here and used into the late 1800s. Or thats the info I found.
Hmm. Haven't read that.

The men killed the buffalo and the women did all the gory work. Food/hides etc.

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#84207 Dec 9, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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I still think she could have lost her job.
That was a major mistake.
10:14AM ~ Wet and Gloomy/Again.
All staff should have been briefed on the correct protocol prior to looking after a royal. Mistake or human error, she should not be held responsible. Heads should roll.

15:58 Dry but very cloudy,,little warmer.

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#84208 Dec 9, 2012
Teaman wrote:
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Or better yet, drive you home from the pub. Question is, does he pick you up on the dry side or the wet side. I guess it depends on how much billiards (or dart games) you play on the dry side.:-)
Billiards in a pub,,have'nt seen that in many a long year. I take it you mean the small tables about six feet long with mushroom shaped skittles in front of the holes. Most of the pubs tend to have a pool table now, but I believe the rules of our game are somewhat different to yours.
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84209 Dec 9, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
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All staff should have been briefed on the correct protocol prior to looking after a royal. Mistake or human error, she should not be held responsible. Heads should roll.
15:58 Dry but very cloudy,,little warmer.
It's a bloody shame. What a waste of a good person...

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#84210 Dec 9, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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The indians did have guns, rifles and ammo. The would steal little white children and then SELL them back to their families ~ that is IF the indians hadn't killed their families.
A stick with a rock on it would take down enormous buffalo. Indians were excellent shots. As soon as they could walk~they were taught how to be a warrior.
The indians GAVE UP because they were starving, freezing and their enemies were getting much better fire power. Oh, and a few of their leaders were very savvy/street smart. One of the savvy leaders (Quannah Parker) built a very nice house with all the modern conveniences (telephone etc) and became a fairly rich guy. He wore suits and entertained the president in his house. Quanah's mother was white. Cynthia Ann Parker. You should read about her. Pretty interesting. After the indians kidnapped her~they liked her~so they kept her. And she liked them.
Tracyvon ~ I don't eat/slurp ketchup nor do I use salt. How about an excellent vegan meal? I could go for that!
Is there such a thing as an excellent vegan meal ???? Can you give an example, just to see if it gets the old juices flowing.
Big Brother

Manassas, VA

#84211 Dec 9, 2012
Latest Breaking News.....
A 9mmm got up this morning by itself loaded itself with 10 rounds then walked itself 5 miles and shot 10 people ! More information as this unfolds

Also it the news members of congress on the left are pushing a bill to ban water due to the amount of drowning s have increased

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#84212 Dec 9, 2012
The white people gave the Indians their first encounters with forked-tongues and by the time it was found out it was too late. Forts had been built. Land acquired and forces in place to protect it by a systematic war technology unknown to the Indians. Iron Horse. Telegraph. Sheer numbers of well armed and trained military, and settlers.

If the Indians has listened to Tecumseh there could have been a different outcome. He wanted all of the tribes to coalesce as one fighting force instead of fighting as small groups. Tecumseh realized the unification of the paleface forces that could unify on small bands of Indians and wipe them out one group at a time.

Custer was so sure of annihilating these small groups of Indians with superior techniques that he never thought about tribes coming together as they did at Little Bighorn, Sioux, Arapahoe, Cheyenne, Lakota. He paid the ultimate price for his ignorance.

Then again it was not all due to Custer's preparedness. The Indians allowed scouting reports to show fewer Indians than what would eventually come together at Little Bighorn to confront Custer. Sitting Bull put together the coalition of tribes and others from other tribes who left the reservations to join in the effort at Little Bighorn.

Actually we say Little Bighorn but it was not at that perecise location but near that river.

Even though the Indians were victorious against Custer, by then there were reservations, meaning the Indians were already subdued, never to regain their former freedom and glory.

Trusting, as much as anything else, defeated the Indians.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#84213 Dec 9, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
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Is there such a thing as an excellent vegan meal ???? Can you give an example, just to see if it gets the old juices flowing.
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Not a vegan but do this simple one once in a while.

Steamed cabbage with onions and all kinds of chopped peppers, Bell, Serrano, Banana,Poblano, etc. A little Olive Oil in a pan soften the onions and peppers a little, add shredded cabbage more olive oil cover steam til cabbage done, not soggy, firm but tender, salt pepper to taste. Serve over rice.

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#84214 Dec 9, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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Not a vegan but do this simple one once in a while.
Steamed cabbage with onions and all kinds of chopped peppers, Bell, Serrano, Banana,Poblano, etc. A little Olive Oil in a pan soften the onions and peppers a little, add shredded cabbage more olive oil cover steam til cabbage done, not soggy, firm but tender, salt pepper to taste. Serve over rice.
Thanks,,,Im going to try this, spooky that you came up with something containing peppers. Some of the peppers will be dried, but hey ho, Ill give it a go.
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84215 Dec 9, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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Not a vegan but do this simple one once in a while.
Steamed cabbage with onions and all kinds of chopped peppers, Bell, Serrano, Banana,Poblano, etc. A little Olive Oil in a pan soften the onions and peppers a little, add shredded cabbage more olive oil cover steam til cabbage done, not soggy, firm but tender, salt pepper to taste. Serve over rice.
That sounds good.

See if you can cut out meat, chicken etc. It's not easy, but worth it. After almost five years of not eating that stuff and my cholesterol is..........higher than it should be. Genetics?
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84216 Dec 9, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
The white people gave the Indians their first encounters with forked-tongues and by the time it was found out it was too late. Forts had been built. Land acquired and forces in place to protect it by a systematic war technology unknown to the Indians. Iron Horse. Telegraph. Sheer numbers of well armed and trained military, and settlers.
If the Indians has listened to Tecumseh there could have been a different outcome. He wanted all of the tribes to coalesce as one fighting force instead of fighting as small groups. Tecumseh realized the unification of the paleface forces that could unify on small bands of Indians and wipe them out one group at a time.
Custer was so sure of annihilating these small groups of Indians with superior techniques that he never thought about tribes coming together as they did at Little Bighorn, Sioux, Arapahoe, Cheyenne, Lakota. He paid the ultimate price for his ignorance.
Then again it was not all due to Custer's preparedness. The Indians allowed scouting reports to show fewer Indians than what would eventually come together at Little Bighorn to confront Custer. Sitting Bull put together the coalition of tribes and others from other tribes who left the reservations to join in the effort at Little Bighorn.
Actually we say Little Bighorn but it was not at that perecise location but near that river.
Even though the Indians were victorious against Custer, by then there were reservations, meaning the Indians were already subdued, never to regain their former freedom and glory.
Trusting, as much as anything else, defeated the Indians.
Custer was betrayed at Little Big Horn. Only his column of men fought. The second column, turned and ran (rode) away and the third column did Nothing. He was outnumbered for sure, but maybe if he had had back up he and his relatives would have survived. He must have been in shock when no one turned up to help. Hope it was over quickly. He is a very interesting character. Ordered the book his wife wrote about him. She defended him until she died in NYC at the age of 93 (?). She thought he was the cats meow. He wasn't. He had indian girlfriends.
X Obama Supporter

Coffeyville, KS

#84217 Dec 9, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
<quoted text>
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Not a vegan but do this simple one once in a while.
Steamed cabbage with onions and all kinds of chopped peppers, Bell, Serrano, Banana,Poblano, etc. A little Olive Oil in a pan soften the onions and peppers a little, add shredded cabbage more olive oil cover steam til cabbage done, not soggy, firm but tender, salt pepper to taste. Serve over rice.
Sounds real good. I love everything in it. I happen to think peppers and onions should go on about everything. I do think I will serve it over egg noodles though, I perfer pasta to rice.
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84218 Dec 9, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
<quoted text>
Is there such a thing as an excellent vegan meal ???? Can you give an example, just to see if it gets the old juices flowing.
Had some great vegan meals in Montreal last summer.

The one I liked the best was a homemade vegan hamburger in between a really tasty vegan bun type thing. I loved it. Much better than the frozen stuff I eat.

Here's a good one from Whole Foods. Vegetarian chicken salad. Have that in a whole wheat roll up with spring mix etc. It tastes a lot like chicken. Read the label twice because I though it was. Yum!

Well? Are the old juices flowing?

Probably not.

You have to ease into it ~ gradually. In the beginning, you will find yourself in the grocery store scratching your head and wondering what to eat. I know you have a Whole Foods in London. Been there. Very nice.

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#84219 Dec 9, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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That sounds good.
See if you can cut out meat, chicken etc. It's not easy, but worth it. After almost five years of not eating that stuff and my cholesterol is..........higher than it should be. Genetics?
Around 75% of cholesterol comes from the liver, the other 25% from our diet,,,cutting out cholesterol, or trying to is not allways healthy, some is actually required. However seek advice.

Since: Jan 11

Mount Holly, NJ

#84220 Dec 9, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
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Billiards in a pub,,have'nt seen that in many a long year. I take it you mean the small tables about six feet long with mushroom shaped skittles in front of the holes. Most of the pubs tend to have a pool table now, but I believe the rules of our game are somewhat different to yours.
They are pool tables here too. I wasn't sure if they were called that in the UK.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#84221 Dec 9, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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We kill more than we heal? You are off your rocker. You should watch what you say. You sound ignorant.
Bed sores? Have no idea. I've never had them.
They don't focus on men's health. They focus on helping all people. Men, women and children. Wasn't Viagra good enough for ya?
Was it good for you?
Just to keep you informed as you seem sadly lacking of what should be standard knowledge.....especially seeing one of the issues you vote on is healthcare........

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/...

http://www.healthylifeandtimes.com/Art_Costof...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#84222 Dec 9, 2012
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
What are you smoking?
Oh my gosh! The drug companies have no morals? How did you find out? How many drug companies are there? How many people work for them? Are you saying no one has morals? That's a disgrace.
Why don't you STOP taking our poisons? Maybe you should discover your own totally natural drugs. Yeah, right. Let's see how that works out for you.
You are very insecure when it comes to Americans. Did a American boy or girl dump you at one time? Aw......I can see why.
Kids and drugs? Let's not exaggerate. Some kids take drugs. Didn't you? Or are you making up for lost time now?
Nice chatting with you.
It is simply a case that you like spout on about what America is number one at...like being a superpower, going to the moon(which is your fall back when all else fails)....I am just supporting you in your bragging rights by informing you of what else America is good at....You have no reason to complain about that unless you can't handle the truth of everything you are excelling in.......ie, most fat, most overprescribed medication, best third world health care of any western nation....sheesh you are never satisfied are you.....can't take it, don't dish it out....
And in regards to the pharmaceutical companies it is Americans that are naive that go to their doctor in the hope to find that pill that cures all their ills even to the point of medicating their kids unecessarily rather than do any decent parenting.... and that gives the pharmaceutical companies power...Greed is what motivates America as a nation and that means their companies often use unethical pratices to push their drugs around the world.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/94e3da58-c5f1-...

America has made great achievements but one of them has not been to become one of the quiet acheivers...it is like the kid who wins an award and just carries on till death living he's past glory days over and over....that is the American attitude, one that doesn't regognise the achievements of others just their own....the ugly parent.
BTW there is a difference between children taking drugs of their own choice(where would the parents be in that scenario) and having them shoved down their throats by the one there to protect them....
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84223 Dec 9, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
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Around 75% of cholesterol comes from the liver, the other 25% from our diet,,,cutting out cholesterol, or trying to is not allways healthy, some is actually required. However seek advice.
Thank you for the information. I had a physical a few weeks ago and had blood work done, but will repeat the blood test in April and she will decide about a statin. Tried Niacin (Niaspan) and had a pretty bad reaction to it. Sigh.
5:41 PM ~ dark/wet/chilly.

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