It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103321 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Since: Feb 11

Sutton, UK

#84175 Dec 8, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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Ornery,
Shaking head.
She committed suicide because she was ashamed of what she did. Your people pushed her over the edge. She couldn't deal with it. Maybe she was going to lose her job and be out on the street. No one would hire her because her name would be mud, so to speak.
No, there is nothing you can or could do, but you sound so apathetic and that's not nice.
Feeble minded. That's not nice. I see a pattern here.
Didn't blame ALL Auzzie's, but I think most of you found it to be funny. Fess up.
The actions of a FEW morons? 9,000 deaths are a FEW?
Learn to roll with the punches. I do.
MAYBE SHE WAS GOING TO LOSE HER JOB AND BE OUT ON THE STREET.

Thats highly unlikely,,IF and its a big IF, she had been sacked or suspended then reinstatement would have been quick to follow due to public opinion,,the reports I have read about the woman suggest she was a very nice person but shy and private,,it would appear that the humiliation at being duped was to great for the poor woman. As I said in a previous post, this was a security cock up, allowed to happen by people on a far greater salary than a nurse.
All the blame lies with them.
Dr Freud

Lithuania

#84176 Dec 8, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
<quoted text>
MAYBE SHE WAS GOING TO LOSE HER JOB AND BE OUT ON THE STREET.
Thats highly unlikely,,IF and its a big IF, she had been sacked or suspended then reinstatement would have been quick to follow due to public opinion,,the reports I have read about the woman suggest she was a very nice person but shy and private,,it would appear that the humiliation at being duped was to great for the poor woman. As I said in a previous post, this was a security cock up, allowed to happen by people on a far greater salary than a nurse.
All the blame lies with them.
It is my considered opinion, for what that might be worth, that the one with whom you discuss this matter, tends to arrogate to herself a distinction of which she is not in any way deserving.
To date, she's provided not an iota of evidence to support her contentions.
The Mule Redirectors

Montréal, Canada

#84177 Dec 8, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
It is my considered opinion, for what that might be worth, that the one with whom you discuss this matter, tends to arrogate to herself a distinction of which she is not in any way deserving.
To date, she's provided not an iota of evidence to support her contentions.
Are you another mule linked to the Switchers Jenny Junkie the Dopey Talking Mule?

Hungary next?

Since: Feb 11

Sutton, UK

#84178 Dec 9, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
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It is my considered opinion, for what that might be worth, that the one with whom you discuss this matter, tends to arrogate to herself a distinction of which she is not in any way deserving.
To date, she's provided not an iota of evidence to support her contentions.
You may well be right. Giving the matter some further thought, I will say this. It would appear that patient/doctor confidentialety was not observed in this case, the poor woman was placed in an awkward position, either way. She should never have been placed in the position whereby the decision to put the call through was hers alone. Given the supposed identity of the callers,ie worried grand parents and royals to boot, it would have been a difficult decision to make, she may have felt not allowing the call could affect her career,,we shall never know. lousy security, to put it mildly.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#84180 Dec 9, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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Tracyvon,
Their guns were not outdated. A lot of times they were better than what the military had.
You may eat your words now.
Enjoy!
Sorry but facts speak for themselves. The american indian lost almost every battle with the white man because he was not armed properly to defend himself. They didn't make guns or have money to buy guns. They didn't make powder or bullets and didn't have money to buy them. When they begain fighting the white man they had a stick with a rock on it. When they did aquire firearms and ammo the ammo was soon depleted making the gun useless. The american indian outnumbered the white man at over a thousand to one in the beginning so the FACT they could not defend themselves properly was the reason they were almost annihilated. History has shown over and over those who don't have the ability to defend themselves eventually are enslaved or slaughtered by the more powerful. Now do you want to show the american indian driving the severely out numbered white man off their land and back to europe with their better guns or do you want ketchup and salt with your statement?
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#84181 Dec 9, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
No this is what happens when a race of people want what another has, it's called greed and racism!
Didn't I just say that?
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#84182 Dec 9, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
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And it is a crime rate dominated by men.... so therefore there should be a perfectly simple answer to controlling the violence, hate, rape and murder...re_educate the scum, and if they fail to be educated...get rid of them.
So women don't commit crimes? No queen has ever slaughtered her own people (do your research before you answer)? Siegfried & Roy "re_educated lions and tigers but we know how that turned out. You can train an animal but you just can't remove it's nature. Most females in nature are subservient to the male and it is natures role that the male be dominant over the female. Males have made the vast majority of advances in human civilization so just were would the female be without us? I see you have a Hitler complex (get rid of those who don't conform to your way of thinking).
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#84183 Dec 9, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
Do your research!
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#84184 Dec 9, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
You missed the part where she used U.S. technology.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#84185 Dec 9, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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Oh?
Isn't that why we pay taxes?
Maybe I should call the good fairy and she will sprinkle fairy dust on us.
What it does is makes you a hypocrite. You decry "ban all guns now", but then expect men and/or women with guns to come to your rescue when you need them.

“I am an ALIEN!!!”

Since: Dec 06

KREUZBERG...

#84187 Dec 9, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> So women don't commit crimes? No queen has ever slaughtered her own people (do your research before you answer)? Siegfried & Roy "re_educated lions and tigers but we know how that turned out. You can train an animal but you just can't remove it's nature. Most females in nature are subservient to the male and it is natures role that the male be dominant over the female. Males have made the vast majority of advances in human civilization so just were would the female be without us? I see you have a Hitler complex (get rid of those who don't conform to your way of thinking).
Thought processing, a study in itself...
Get rid of? That's like shooting down the fowl in mid- air while he's trying to conquer it's pray but not grabbing your kitty out of your yard...

How civil have humans become...hmmmm
X Obama Supporter

Coffeyville, KS

#84188 Dec 9, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a typical yankee thick head.
Perhaps.....but I'm still right!

“I am an ALIEN!!!”

Since: Dec 06

KREUZBERG...

#84189 Dec 9, 2012
Under, beneath, or below critical or to critique?

Maybe some are worthy to carry a weapon?

Some things just are not that, black alone nor are they just white now are they, the use of weapons has it's reason...

Clowns shall not be outfitted with em'...
RCMP Says You Suck

Lombard, IL

#84190 Dec 9, 2012
The Mule Redirectors wrote:
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Are you another mule linked to the Switchers Jenny Junkie the Dopey Talking Mule?
Hungary next?
Are you of the Cowardly Cancuck Clan? It would appear so. Keep your distance!! Otherwise you may be called upon to engage in thought-provoking debate which you are clearly incapable of.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84191 Dec 9, 2012
About the rock on the stick...

The indians were able to kill enormous buffalo with the dinky rock on the stick.

You were saying...
X Obama Supporter

Coffeyville, KS

#84192 Dec 9, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry but facts speak for themselves. The american indian lost almost every battle with the white man because he was not armed properly to defend himself. They didn't make guns or have money to buy guns. They didn't make powder or bullets and didn't have money to buy them. When they begain fighting the white man they had a stick with a rock on it. When they did aquire firearms and ammo the ammo was soon depleted making the gun useless. The american indian outnumbered the white man at over a thousand to one in the beginning so the FACT they could not defend themselves properly was the reason they were almost annihilated. History has shown over and over those who don't have the ability to defend themselves eventually are enslaved or slaughtered by the more powerful. Now do you want to show the american indian driving the severely out numbered white man off their land and back to europe with their better guns or do you want ketchup and salt with your statement?
Apparently you know little to nothing of Indian history. I doubt very much that Custer would agree with you on Indian's losing almost every battle to the white man. In fact, Indian's had several victories over the white man over the course of their fighting. Indian's were not just the "stick with a rock" wielding simpletons that you like to suggest. Indian's were quit deadly with the bow and arrow and became expert horsemen. An Indian riding bareback on a horse with a bow and arrow proved to be quit deadly. They were able to get off several arrows before the white man was even able to reload his gun. It is also a fact that thousands of the Indian's were not killed by the white man with guns but by white man disease introduced into their culture that they did not have the immune system to fight. You should try doing a little reading before spouting off on the history of a race you seem to know little about.

Since: Jan 11

Abingdon, VA

#84193 Dec 9, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
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Im more interested in how you teach a dog to drive :-)
The people in NZ are working on that for you.:-)

I notice they have their dog seat belts on.:-)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2012/de...
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84194 Dec 9, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
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What it does is makes you a hypocrite. You decry "ban all guns now", but then expect men and/or women with guns to come to your rescue when you need them.
Gee, that didn't make a lot of sense did it? Please reread what you wrote and I think you will agree with me.

I would call the police.. Never said THEY shouldn't carry weapons. YOU shouldn't arm yourself. The average citizen should NOT be allowed to carry weapons.

It's not rocket science.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84195 Dec 9, 2012
X Obama Supporter wrote:
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Apparently you know little to nothing of Indian history. I doubt very much that Custer would agree with you on Indian's losing almost every battle to the white man. In fact, Indian's had several victories over the white man over the course of their fighting. Indian's were not just the "stick with a rock" wielding simpletons that you like to suggest. Indian's were quit deadly with the bow and arrow and became expert horsemen. An Indian riding bareback on a horse with a bow and arrow proved to be quit deadly. They were able to get off several arrows before the white man was even able to reload his gun. It is also a fact that thousands of the Indian's were not killed by the white man with guns but by white man disease introduced into their culture that they did not have the immune system to fight. You should try doing a little reading before spouting off on the history of a race you seem to know little about.
Holy Cow!

Miss X - must have read a few books last week. It's all true...I'm impressed.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84196 Dec 9, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
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MAYBE SHE WAS GOING TO LOSE HER JOB AND BE OUT ON THE STREET.
Thats highly unlikely,,IF and its a big IF, she had been sacked or suspended then reinstatement would have been quick to follow due to public opinion,,the reports I have read about the woman suggest she was a very nice person but shy and private,,it would appear that the humiliation at being duped was to great for the poor woman. As I said in a previous post, this was a security cock up, allowed to happen by people on a far greater salary than a nurse.
All the blame lies with them.
I still think she could have lost her job.

That was a major mistake.

10:14AM ~ Wet and Gloomy/Again.

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