It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103293 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84079 Dec 8, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
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Northerner and Southerner,,,that reminds me of something I read many years ago regarding a house somewhere in the US, whereby the ground footprint of said house fell within four States. These for different States had different laws, therefore the owner would be technically breaking the law dependant on were he was within his own home,,this included the ownership of a firearm,,,strange but apparently true,,has any one else ever heard or read of this.
That would be a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

11:43AM Cloudy and a bit soggy.

Since: Jan 11

Abingdon, VA

#84080 Dec 8, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
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Northerner and Southerner,,,that reminds me of something I read many years ago regarding a house somewhere in the US, whereby the ground footprint of said house fell within four States. These for different States had different laws, therefore the owner would be technically breaking the law dependant on were he was within his own home,,this included the ownership of a firearm,,,strange but apparently true,,has any one else ever heard or read of this.
There are a number of places like that here. Some houses are in two municipalities. There is a library in Vermont where the border between the US and Quebec runs down the center of the building to the confusion of Homeland Security.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/us/04border...
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84081 Dec 8, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
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Untill you mentioned Propecia, I had never heard of it, but yes the brief reading I just carried out is interesting. Not into medical research myself, but if something crosses my path I will take an interest.
Why can you not discuss any medical knowledge you may posses, I see no problem other than this is a gun thread.
No, drug companies are not innocent, to much money involved. A fella I used to know suffered from schizophrenia, and the drugs he was prescribed had some pretty bad side effects,,,I remember him telling me about a drug available in the US that would help him with far less, if any side effects. Needless to say as the drug had not been tested by the british medical board, it was unavaliable to him. I guess making the drug in the UK under licence would not have proved profitable enough.
You don't have Propecia sp? in the UK? Whilst driving from Heathrow to the city, we passed an American pharmaceutical company. I would think you would have access to the same drugs as we do.

Schizophrenia? I bet you have all the latest drugs now because over 1% of the people in the world have it. It's a big money maker. OOps. That money thing again.

Tidbits of medical knowledge. You could fit it in a thimble. I find it interesting.

11:51 AM ~ still cloudy and soggy.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84082 Dec 8, 2012
Teaman wrote:
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There are a number of places like that here. Some houses are in two municipalities. There is a library in Vermont where the border between the US and Quebec runs down the center of the building to the confusion of Homeland Security.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/us/04border...
FYI ~ not that you would care, but I will share this with you. I was born in the south and raised in the north. I feel as though I am both.

Chop/chop..
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84083 Dec 8, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
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Health records have been kept in the UK for at least forty years and that information has proved invaluable in research for various health issues. The plans to use the records was met with some hostility initialey, due to peoples fears that insurance companies would either load, or decline applications for insurance, if an applicant was found to have a possible hereditary condition. To the best of my knowledge this has not happened to date. Although I don't know who leads the world in medical research at preent, I can assure you that it has been carried out here for many many years, with gruesome tales of body snatching etc,,,I guess that is how Mary Shelley got the idea for good old Frank.
Medical research? I saw a show on TV that dealt with that. The undertaker was selling body parts for big money and was replacing bones etc with pvc piping. An all time low.
Shocking what some people will do for money.......

11:59AM Looking out window. Yep, still cloudy and sky looks a bit white.
sid

Chermside, Australia

#84084 Dec 8, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
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Or for any other things, such as blades, fists and feet, rocks, clubs, bench grinders, automobiles, etc.
It's all a matter of 'convenience,' you see?
And of course it's far too convenient to 'blame' an object, rather than to blame the person utilizing the object, because then the person is somehow exonerated.
The whole thought there, you see, is one of blaming the object, and is predicated upon the idea that the object is somehow imbued with 'magical powers,' such as to be able to 'influence' the mind of its possessor.
So, a gun makes its possessor want to shoot some poor, unsuspecting soul, and a knife influences its possessor to go slash, and stab some poor unsuspecting soul!
Heaven help us, because almost every kitchen in the world has knives just waiting to influence the inhabitants of that household!!!
Once you step outside the realm of reality, and into that realm of the fanciful, then just anything is bound to happen, including the impossible.
All you have to think is just this: "Because I said so!"
Flights of fancy, and all that rot!
So you are saying a gun doesn't “influence the mind of possessor”, I agree in the sense of a gun being an inanimate object having no mental control of it's owner. A gun is nothing more than a tool but the mental predisposition of the user is the determining factor. I could use a gun to blow holes in the ground to plant beans if I want or blow a hole in someone. Same as a car, the car isn't the problem, it's the nut behind the wheel.
A gun can give you a sense of or ability to,
1. The ability to harm or kill another
2. The almost guaranteed surety of harming or killing another
3. Being able to harm or kill without being harmed or killed.
4. A heightened sense of personal security [perceived or real]
5. A distorted view of personal ability [over confidence, superiority]
6. A potential to take risks you normally wouldn't
7. Respond disproportionately to a given situation [over react]
8. To kill or harm without intention [accidents]
9. To use force precipitously when inaction or delayed action may suffice
10. Escalate a situation rather than calm it.
11. An ease of ability to harm or kill
12. Being able to quickly resolve a situation
A knife or baseball bat will give you some of these senses or abilities but not all at once, it depends on the situation and the individuals. You are correct in saying that a gun never killed anyone of it's own volition but that's about as meaningful as saying a vacuum cleaner never cleaned the house of it's own volition.
You are right in saying it's “ It's all a matter of 'convenience”, but different inanimate objects are potentially lethal in varying degrees, to say vegetable knife is as lethal as glock 9mm is bullshit and you know it. I agree that the gun in someone's hand didn't kill anyone but the mental state of the person holding the gun caused the gun to kill. A knife can kill a gun can kill, that makes them equal in one potentially but the ability, speed, convenience, guarantee, personal safety of using a gun to kill leaves a knife in the shade. The solution to the so called gun problem is, either everyone has guns or no one has guns and that ain't going to happen.
Take it easy.

Since: Jan 11

Abingdon, VA

#84085 Dec 8, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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FYI ~ not that you would care, but I will share this with you. I was born in the south and raised in the north. I feel as though I am both.
Chop/chop..
So was I. Born in Texas but raised in Europe. What does that make me?
sid

Chermside, Australia

#84086 Dec 8, 2012
Teaman wrote:
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So was I. Born in Texas but raised in Europe. What does that make me?
Maybe he's positive and negative simultaneously, or AC/DC.

Since: Feb 11

Sutton, UK

#84087 Dec 8, 2012
Teaman wrote:
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You'll have to explain that one to me. Is this the subliminal racism of the left I hear so much about? "Trying to live [up to] white expectations"? Nonwhites are inferior?
Is this how our education system went to crap? Nonwhites are inferior so the system had to lower its standards to meet those inferior needs? Less is expected of them?
Everyone wants to have a better life for themselves. That's not living up to a superior standard.
Have to admit I was a little puzzled by that particular post myself,,perhaps a further explanation will be forthcoming.

Since: Feb 11

Sutton, UK

#84088 Dec 8, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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That would be a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
11:43AM Cloudy and a bit soggy.
Why would it be a bit of a stretch, is it not possible ?

Since: Feb 11

Sutton, UK

#84089 Dec 8, 2012
Teaman wrote:
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There are a number of places like that here. Some houses are in two municipalities. There is a library in Vermont where the border between the US and Quebec runs down the center of the building to the confusion of Homeland Security.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/us/04border...
Thanks for the info Teaman. I have been trying to recollect were I read about the home in four States,,,if my memory is correct I believe it may have been in a book lent to me as a boy. The book was entitled Ripley's believe it or not,,and the author had travelled much and collected unusual info from around the world.
X Obama Supporter

Coffeyville, KS

#84090 Dec 8, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
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Thanks for the info Teaman. I have been trying to recollect were I read about the home in four States,,,if my memory is correct I believe it may have been in a book lent to me as a boy. The book was entitled Ripley's believe it or not,,and the author had travelled much and collected unusual info from around the world.
Now that you mentioned the book I believe I read the same thing in one of the Ripley's books my daughter brought home from school once. She was always checking those books out from the library and I am sure I read it in one of those books. They are actually pretty interesting books. We went to the museum of Ripley's in Branson, Mo. It was a really neat place with alot of interesting artifacts.

Since: Feb 11

Sutton, UK

#84091 Dec 8, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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You don't have Propecia sp? in the UK? Whilst driving from Heathrow to the city, we passed an American pharmaceutical company. I would think you would have access to the same drugs as we do.
Schizophrenia? I bet you have all the latest drugs now because over 1% of the people in the world have it. It's a big money maker. OOps. That money thing again.
Tidbits of medical knowledge. You could fit it in a thimble. I find it interesting.
11:51 AM ~ still cloudy and soggy.
Just looked up Propecia,,it is sold under the brand name Finasteride,,there is another one for hair loss, Minoxidil sold under the name Regaine.
Yes, pharmaceuticals are big here, making lots of dosh.

18:19pm

Since: Jan 11

Abingdon, VA

#84092 Dec 8, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
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Thanks for the info Teaman. I have been trying to recollect were I read about the home in four States,,,if my memory is correct I believe it may have been in a book lent to me as a boy. The book was entitled Ripley's believe it or not,,and the author had travelled much and collected unusual info from around the world.
I believe there is only one place in the US where four states come together and there is a monument on that spot. Although there are a number of places where buildings are in different jurisdictions or even states, I don't believe there is one that sits on four states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Corners_Mon...

It is very possible for a building to sit in four jurisdictions.

Since: Feb 11

Sutton, UK

#84093 Dec 8, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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Medical research? I saw a show on TV that dealt with that. The undertaker was selling body parts for big money and was replacing bones etc with pvc piping. An all time low.
Shocking what some people will do for money.......
11:59AM Looking out window. Yep, still cloudy and sky looks a bit white.
Why would the undertaker be removing bones,,did he own a dog :-).

18:27 pm No point in looking out the window, it's dark.
Tray

New Albany, MS

#84094 Dec 8, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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Treyvon,
Are you saying the indians and negroes were unarmed?
"TRACY not TRAYVON" I would not consider a rock on the end of a stick against firearms, swords, among other metal weapons to be armed would you? The indians and blacks had canoes too but I would not call them a navy.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#84095 Dec 8, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
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Psychologically speaking, what she was engaging in was 'psyching out' the enemy.
It's a classic tactic used by the political left. Consider it the very same thing as how they (the left in America) will call you a racist if you say you don't like Obama. If you don't like socialism, you're a racist. If you don't like your TSA stuffing their hands inside the underpants of little children, then you're a racist.
They resort to that tactic in order to both control and reframe the argument to suit them, or to shut it down.
Yes.
They have, and will continue to mistake the silence of many to be their own "win" of the argument however. That will ultimately prove to be their undoing, just as it has in every other similar situation down throughout history.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#84096 Dec 8, 2012
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>I in no way have tried to spin anything.
I really enjoy your comedy Bunny. You're damn sure funny with your lying style.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#84097 Dec 8, 2012
Greasy Grass Ridge wrote:
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Stop pulling out the Declaration/Constitution card. They weren't meant for 2012, and you know it.
At what point in time did evil leave the hearts of powerful men and women?
1913?
1929?
1969?
1984?

At what point in time, between 1776 and 2012, did the basic nature of mankind change?

It is obvious that you have no idea what those founding documents say or mean.

Since: Feb 11

Sutton, UK

#84098 Dec 8, 2012
X Obama Supporter wrote:
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Now that you mentioned the book I believe I read the same thing in one of the Ripley's books my daughter brought home from school once. She was always checking those books out from the library and I am sure I read it in one of those books. They are actually pretty interesting books. We went to the museum of Ripley's in Branson, Mo. It was a really neat place with alot of interesting artifacts.
I expect someone will complain shortly that I am spaming, however, thanks for your conformation regarding the house in four states, and were I read it. I took my family to a Ripley's in Scarborough Yorkshire,,outside they had a life size model of Robert Wadlow poor fellow,,not exactly short myself but felt it in comparison.

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