It's the Guns, Stupid

Apr 20, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Truthdig

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Dec 6, 2012
 
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Yes, they have actually given the best argument for leaving the guns and the gun laws alone that I have heard yet!!!

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Dec 6, 2012
 
Guppy wrote:
Having a gun in your house is irresponsible. You know the reasons why.
Gun Deaths ~~
2011
Japan 11 deaths
Uk 39 deaths
US a staggering 9,000!!!!
Why? Too many yahoo's have guns.
Shame on you ~ American gun owners. Not only are you fearful, but you are violent too.
Gun laws have to change or else I am moving to the UK. The houses etc. in London aren't that expensive. Are they?
House prices in London are very high, and they continue to soar. A better option would be to live outside and travel in.
Having left the city years ago to live in the sticks, wild horses couldnt drag me back.

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If convictions were based on past profiling Zimmerman would be first in line with his violent history. But their past is not relevant to what happened on that evening, only the events that occurred on that evening. Color is not relevant. They both are entitled to equal justice based on the circumstances of that fatal evening regardless of their color. Color is only a factor in punishment stage if hate crime is charged and found to exist.
Its the same here, they cannot and do not make the jury aware of the accused's past record, however the press is another matter,,,they print all they can find, and what they cant find, they invent.

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4 to 5 hours is adequate? Don't laugh, but I wouldn't survive on so few hours of sleep.
You are five hours ahead of us?
Okay,I wont laugh. For me its the quality of sleep, not quantity, we are all different.
Not sure of the exact time difference, but I do know there is about five hours difference between Greenwich London and Miami.

I often find you guys are posting alot when the time here is around 1am-2am or 1pm-3pm, having said that, posts can turn up any old time. Aho keeps some odd hours considering she say's she is from Perth.
Enough spam.
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Having a gun in your house is irresponsible. You know the reasons why.
Gun Deaths ~~
2011
Japan 11 deaths
Uk 39 deaths
US a staggering 9,000!!!!
Why? Too many yahoo's have guns.
Shame on you ~ American gun owners. Not only are you fearful, but you are violent too.
Gun laws have to change or else I am moving to the UK. The houses etc. in London aren't that expensive. Are they?
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.ht...

There are approximately two million defensive gun uses (DGU's) per year by law abiding citizens. That was one of the findings in a national survey conducted by Gary Kleck, a Florida State University criminologist in 1993. Prior to Dr. Kleck's survey, thirteen other surveys indicated a range of between 800,000 to 2.5 million DGU's annually. However these surveys each had their flaws which prompted Dr. Kleck to conduct his own study specifically tailored to estimate the number of DGU's annually.

Subsequent to Kleck's study, the Department of Justice sponsored a survey in 1994 titled, Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms (text, PDF). Using a smaller sample size than Kleck's, this survey estimated 1.5 million DGU's annually.

There is one study, the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which in 1993, estimated 108,000 DGU's annually. Why the huge discrepancy between this survey and fourteen others?

Guess Americans believe in standing up to the aggressor.
the end is near-ish

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Dec 6, 2012
 
PM Julia Gillard Addresses the End of the World

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Anti-Second Amendment Democrat Arrested With Gun at Chicago’s O’Hare
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http://www.infowars.com/anti-second-amendment...
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Thank you for your concern.
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Besara wrote:
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http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.ht...
There are approximately two million defensive gun uses (DGU's) per year by law abiding citizens. That was one of the findings in a national survey conducted by Gary Kleck, a Florida State University criminologist in 1993. Prior to Dr. Kleck's survey, thirteen other surveys indicated a range of between 800,000 to 2.5 million DGU's annually. However these surveys each had their flaws which prompted Dr. Kleck to conduct his own study specifically tailored to estimate the number of DGU's annually.
Subsequent to Kleck's study, the Department of Justice sponsored a survey in 1994 titled, Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms (text, PDF). Using a smaller sample size than Kleck's, this survey estimated 1.5 million DGU's annually.
There is one study, the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which in 1993, estimated 108,000 DGU's annually. Why the huge discrepancy between this survey and fourteen others?
Guess Americans believe in standing up to the aggressor.
9,000 people were murdered by Guns in one year! That is the bottom line. You can moan and groan, but it doesn't change the facts.

Ban guns

Look at the UK and Japan/no guns = no deaths. Very few deaths. Why are the American's so fearful and the rest of the world is not.

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For crying out loud,,you really are DENCE,,,when somebody points out that it is their responsobility to defend their family,,it MEANS that they don't intend to rely on the possible good will of others, unlike you, who appears to be a burden.
I know what it means full well and it is not a meaning people who love apply to looking after ones family....it implies burden the correctness of the word is accountability and blame also incumberancy, obligation, fault, guilt,onus, subjection, culperbility, contract, duty, constraint, charge, care, boundness, authority, answerability, albatross, bound and rap ....most of the meanings are to do with holding the bag so to speak.
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Dec 6, 2012
 
Oh god.

X is back, and she's spewing lots of misinformation.

Her brain wouldn't be so fuzzy, if she would take Estrogen. She might become a more interesting person. Sigh. Poor X.

I think I will prescribe Vioxx (rofecoxib) for her to see if that helps. There must be something out there that will help. I think she would do very well on Vioxx. We'll see.

X - Is sneaking around behind my back, because she is afraid of me. My words pierce her heart and soul, and she doesn't like it. She needs to stand up to me and tell it like it is. You wouldn't think that would be so difficult, but in X's case, she's having a hard time doing it.

Aha! Liquid courage! Yes! Just what the dokter ordered.
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Okay,I wont laugh. For me its the quality of sleep, not quantity, we are all different.
Not sure of the exact time difference, but I do know there is about five hours difference between Greenwich London and Miami.
I often find you guys are posting alot when the time here is around 1am-2am or 1pm-3pm, having said that, posts can turn up any old time. Aho keeps some odd hours considering she say's she is from Perth.
Enough spam.
Do you go to Miami?

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What is your evidence that Zimmerman ever "brandished" a gun???? Just because he had a FL CCP doesn't mean the gun was in his hand or visible at all.
Well let's see, he was driving around in his car when he spotted trayvon, he rang police and got out of the car while still talking to the police on the phone.....then there was a altecation and Trayvon was shot...which sugests that he had the gun on his person when he got out of the car...if he did not then he has not grounds for the stand your ground law because it means that he got away from the "life in danger situation" by being able to get back to his car, and instead of driving away he grabbed his gun turned around and went after trayvon again and shot him which puts the crime as one of premeditation...It's elementary Watson.
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Well let's see, he was driving around in his car when he spotted trayvon, he rang police and got out of the car while still talking to the police on the phone.....then there was a altecation and Trayvon was shot...which sugests that he had the gun on his person when he got out of the car...if he did not then he has not grounds for the stand your ground law because it means that he got away from the "life in danger situation" by being able to get back to his car, and instead of driving away he grabbed his gun turned around and went after trayvon again and shot him which puts the crime as one of premeditation...It's elementary Watson.
Clearly you do not understand the definition of "brandished"...

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So, we have a white African president who went to private school?
You shouldn't be obtuse Teaman it doesn't suit you.....Zimmerman was identifying himself as a white man by the privilage money had assured him, else he would live like most white hispanics ...not in a gated, middle class, predominantly white community, his community (white hispanic) would envy him but class him as a sell out.

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Guppy wrote:
Oh god.
X is back, and she's spewing lots of misinformation.
Her brain wouldn't be so fuzzy, if she would take Estrogen. She might become a more interesting person. Sigh. Poor X.
I think I will prescribe Vioxx (rofecoxib) for her to see if that helps. There must be something out there that will help. I think she would do very well on Vioxx. We'll see.
X - Is sneaking around behind my back, because she is afraid of me. My words pierce her heart and soul, and she doesn't like it. She needs to stand up to me and tell it like it is. You wouldn't think that would be so difficult, but in X's case, she's having a hard time doing it.
Aha! Liquid courage! Yes! Just what the dokter ordered.
You should have a Bex and a lie down you sound very frazzled...Your problem is you are of the frail persuasion and should never try to attack someone you don't have the coglione's.

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I am NOT getting off my tuffet, Little Miss Muffet!
So, in Ozzieland you know all about stand your ground and all the deaths? That's strange. Has it happened twice? I don't consider that a lot of people.
A kook? The hell you say. There is only One Kook, and he lives in your country.
What's wrong with being an ignorant yankee? Damn proud!
Again you show your ignorance by not reseaching the truth....there have been a great many abuses of the stand you ground law....get off your arse and look or forever remain a dumb arse.
The fact that you are damn proud to be a "dumb" yankee just proves my point.....thanks for that you clueless twat.
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You should have a Bex and a lie down you sound very frazzled...Your problem is you are of the frail persuasion and should never try to attack someone you don't have the coglione's.
Dear A.H.

Why are you sticking up for Madam X? Doesn't she have fingers?

Bex? What is that?

Frazzled? Funny, I don't feel frazzled.

Frail? Semi-frail.

Coglione's? What might they be?

Everyone needs to be their own advocate. Don't hide behind other people.

Maybe X is A.H.? They both have an attitude. Hmm? I wonder.

If Madam X starts taking Vioxx ~ maybe she won't be around much longer. One can dream, can't they?
Guppy

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Ahomana wrote:
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Again you show your ignorance by not reseaching the truth....there have been a great many abuses of the stand you ground law....get off your arse and look or forever remain a dumb arse.
The fact that you are damn proud to be a "dumb" yankee just proves my point.....thanks for that you clueless twat.
A.H.

I really don't care about stand your ground. It's all hogwash anyway.

If I were to Google it ~ why would I have to get off my arse? I can still sit here. Do you stand up to Google? Odd.

Yes, I am proud to be a dumb yankee! You would love to be a yankee too. We already know you are dumb.

I don't know what a clueless twat is. I don't speak like that. We all know you are a guttersnipe. You are a dumb Austrailian guttersnipe who wants to be a yankee. Sorry, it will never happen.

Was there anything else I could help you with?
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Dec 6, 2012
 
OMG! That was funny...

Especially about standing up to Google.

HaHaHaHaHa!

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