It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

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“And that's the end of the issue”

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Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#83916 Dec 6, 2012
Teaman wrote:
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Right! White privilege. Now, who was Travon and his father visiting? A privileged person named Brandy Green maybe?
You have an odd sense of what America is. No dark rich Hispanics here? No privileged black people?
And you are naive.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#83917 Dec 6, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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Dear A.H.
Your initials are A.H. Fitting.
You guys went to Iraq because you are brown nosers. When the United States say's Jump. You say how high. You could have checked out what was going on in Iraq instead of being lead about by a leash. No one likes an arse kisser. I think it is called due diligence.
Blaming John Howard? How about Rudd and Gillard? The war continued under them. They are just as guilty as Howard.
Weren't you aggressors in Vietnam? Or were you there for the rice?
If China becomes the world's super power ~ so be it. I don't think that will happen.
Diplomatic skills? How about you? You can't be great at everything. Ha!
Eloquence? Didn't know you had any. You certainly don't act eloquent on here. Do you?
A country of idiots? We both know that's not true. You can't be a super power AND be an idiot, idiot.
The fattest nation in the world. It's good to be #1! Maybe someday you can be #1 in Something.
Financially savvy? You are really into this, aren't you? You are very competitive. You must be insecure. That's ok. Austrailian's have every right to be insecure.
Next time we get ourselves into another war ~ you can say Thanks, but No Thanks. It's not that difficult. Unless, you like to be lead around by your collar. That's another story.
There is No competition. We are #1 and you are not.
Enough.
If you believe you can get two initials out of Ahomana....you are an uneducated dumb arse

We went to war alongside America, because it was hurting after the hit it took in 911, but they abused our trust and the right to call anyone an ally after they used both Britain and Australia in their ploy to start a war on another country with lies of WMDs, we knew them to have big yaps but to go as far as to lie to an ally...that is a new low even for America.
Don't you worry the next time you think to start a war with anyone Australia will make sure that it gets the truth or you can stand on your own...
Your can be a super power and idiots...you prove it everyday..
You are the fattest nation in the world because you are greedy fat pigs...everything you eat is up sized, next you will be serving babies on stakes to satify your greed.

Not true the aggressor tag came with Iraq....we went in, in a support role long after America, who hasn't been able to win a war since world war 2 and now you are mostly fighting third world countries, which proves the idiocy of your military.....they have the might but not the brains to finish what they start, without the nouse of the Brits and Australians.

Insecurity is always having to prove you are the biggest, fattest, loudest and the best...that is America's insecurity for you in spades, there is not another country in the world that owns that.

Australia is a country I am proud of, as are several other western nations that havent relied on vigilantism to effect their laws, that seek peace with their neighbours and who never reduce to lies to make trouble with a country to attain what they have....we are a country where it's diggers don't murder innocents in countries we are waring with...so when they march they do so with honour.

Next time you get yourself into another war you had better have learned your lessons from the war in Iraq....that allies are called that because of trust based on, you guessed it, honesty!

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#83918 Dec 6, 2012
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
9,000 people were murdered by Guns in one year! That is the bottom line. You can moan and groan, but it doesn't change the facts.
Ban guns
Look at the UK and Japan/no guns = no deaths. Very few deaths. Why are the American's so fearful and the rest of the world is not.
9000 PEOPLE WERE MURDERED BY GUNS IN ONE YEAR.

Really ????? Now if you had said, 9000 people were murdered by people with guns in one year,,,

Interesting comment of yours here,,, why did you say, WHY ARE THE AMERICAN'S SO FEARFUL AND THE REST OF THE WORLD IS NOT, instead of, Why are WE Americans so fearful and the rest of the world is not.?
Are you not an American ?

Are you posing as an American and trying to stick it to them ?

Or will you tell me it was a Freudian slip ?
Dr Freud

Netherlands

#83919 Dec 6, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
You men should try a little estrogen yourselves, it would remove the build of testosterone that sees your need to aquire and use guns.
YOU are a COMPLETE and TOTAL ARSE!
The hormone estrogen, is an stress hormone. When people, both men and woman, are under stress, their bodies produce estrogen, and people under LOTS of stress produce LOTS of estrogen, when eventually leads to body breakdown.
Women undergoing PMS, tend to produce LOTS of estrogen, and as a consequence become psychologically 'unhinged,' evincing all of the traits of someone under stress.
There are several strategies to deal with that physiological hormonal imbalance.
But YOUR statement is, beyond any reasonable doubt, the MOST IRRESPONSIBLE utterance ANYONE could possibly make!
Suggesting that anyone take 'estrogen' has got to be, in my estimation, a MOST CRIMINAL, and without a doubt, a most serious breach of medic ethics.
YOU should be ARRESTED, and charged with medical MALPRACTICE!

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#83920 Dec 6, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
I know what it means full well and it is not a meaning people who love apply to looking after ones family....it implies burden the correctness of the word is accountability and blame also incumberancy, obligation, fault, guilt,onus, subjection, culperbility, contract, duty, constraint, charge, care, boundness, authority, answerability, albatross, bound and rap ....most of the meanings are to do with holding the bag so to speak.
IT IMPLIES,,,Hmmm,,,,interesting, ,,, well using your logic then you would have to agree with me that putting nuts in, or on a fruit cake, makse it a fruit and nut cake, welldone, welldone indeed, I knew you could do it.

I love my family, don't allways like them, anymore than they allways like me,,but I definatley love them,,I would die to protect them, as most of us would,,I am the reason they exist at all, my responsobility for bringing them into the world, my BAG to hold or carry, untill I the day I die.

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#83921 Dec 6, 2012
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you go to Miami?
Do you ?
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#83922 Dec 6, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
<quoted text>
9000 PEOPLE WERE MURDERED BY GUNS IN ONE YEAR.
Really ????? Now if you had said, 9000 people were murdered by people with guns in one year,,,
Interesting comment of yours here,,, why did you say, WHY ARE THE AMERICAN'S SO FEARFUL AND THE REST OF THE WORLD IS NOT, instead of, Why are WE Americans so fearful and the rest of the world is not.?
Are you not an American ?
Are you posing as an American and trying to stick it to them ?
Or will you tell me it was a Freudian slip ?
I didn't say WE because I am not one of the Americans that is fearful. I was talking about THEM. You know, the ones who are so fearful that they need to have guns in their homes.
I am 100% American.
I am also realistic.
I don't think everything the Americans do is just fine by me.

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#83923 Dec 6, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
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Well let's see, he was driving around in his car when he spotted trayvon, he rang police and got out of the car while still talking to the police on the phone.....then there was a altecation and Trayvon was shot...which sugests that he had the gun on his person when he got out of the car...if he did not then he has not grounds for the stand your ground law because it means that he got away from the "life in danger situation" by being able to get back to his car, and instead of driving away he grabbed his gun turned around and went after trayvon again and shot him which puts the crime as one of premeditation...It's elementary Watson.
Are you trying to suggest that a CCP permit means you hold the gun whilst your hand is in your pocket,, to brandish the weapon would mean it was not concealed.
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#83924 Dec 6, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you ?
I have been to the Miami airport once. I think we were going to Ocean Reef, Florida

It's OK if you answer that question. I won't turn you in to the authorities. Ha.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#83925 Dec 6, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU are a COMPLETE and TOTAL ARSE!
The hormone estrogen, is an stress hormone. When people, both men and woman, are under stress, their bodies produce estrogen, and people under LOTS of stress produce LOTS of estrogen, when eventually leads to body breakdown.
Women undergoing PMS, tend to produce LOTS of estrogen, and as a consequence become psychologically 'unhinged,' evincing all of the traits of someone under stress.
There are several strategies to deal with that physiological hormonal imbalance.
But YOUR statement is, beyond any reasonable doubt, the MOST IRRESPONSIBLE utterance ANYONE could possibly make!
Suggesting that anyone take 'estrogen' has got to be, in my estimation, a MOST CRIMINAL, and without a doubt, a most serious breach of medic ethics.
YOU should be ARRESTED, and charged with medical MALPRACTICE!
WTF are you going on about, if testoterone levels are high, giving men estrogen lowers them...make them emotional and helps them grow boobies...that is why I said you men should get more of them, But you just rant away on some crazy man lunacy...you are a dumb arse Troll. IDIOT.
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#83926 Dec 6, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU are a COMPLETE and TOTAL ARSE!
The hormone estrogen, is an stress hormone. When people, both men and woman, are under stress, their bodies produce estrogen, and people under LOTS of stress produce LOTS of estrogen, when eventually leads to body breakdown.
Women undergoing PMS, tend to produce LOTS of estrogen, and as a consequence become psychologically 'unhinged,' evincing all of the traits of someone under stress.
There are several strategies to deal with that physiological hormonal imbalance.
But YOUR statement is, beyond any reasonable doubt, the MOST IRRESPONSIBLE utterance ANYONE could possibly make!
Suggesting that anyone take 'estrogen' has got to be, in my estimation, a MOST CRIMINAL, and without a doubt, a most serious breach of medic ethics.
YOU should be ARRESTED, and charged with medical MALPRACTICE!
Chill out..

How about Vioxx? Do you approve of that?

Unhinged? Are you biased against women?

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#83927 Dec 6, 2012
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't say WE because I am not one of the Americans that is fearful. I was talking about THEM. You know, the ones who are so fearful that they need to have guns in their homes.
I am 100% American.
I am also realistic.
I don't think everything the Americans do is just fine by me.
Okay, but you will find some places its prudent to be armed for safety.
03.03 am

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#83928 Dec 6, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
<quoted text>
IT IMPLIES,,,Hmmm,,,,interesting, ,,, well using your logic then you would have to agree with me that putting nuts in, or on a fruit cake, makse it a fruit and nut cake, welldone, welldone indeed, I knew you could do it.
I love my family, don't allways like them, anymore than they allways like me,,but I definatley love them,,I would die to protect them, as most of us would,,I am the reason they exist at all, my responsobility for bringing them into the world, my BAG to hold or carry, untill I the day I die.
LOL. You still upset about that fruit cake with nuts in it....you always seem to bring it up?....Don't try to colour the issue with your bullshit and again coming in to support someone else.....what is it with you, are you a troll....cause it seem you never speak for yourself....exception the fruit cake with nuts....you know the argument you got your arse kicked on....rotflmao.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#83929 Dec 6, 2012
Patriot wrote:
Anti-Second Amendment Democrat Arrested With Gun at Chicago’s O’Hare
12/06/12
http://www.infowars.com/anti-second-amendment...
ROTFLMFAO. The American anti gun protesters are so stupid they can't even get what anti gun means.....and just when I think you yanks can't get any thicker....Whoohoo....

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#83930 Dec 6, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL. You still upset about that fruit cake with nuts in it....you always seem to bring it up?....Don't try to colour the issue with your bullshit and again coming in to support someone else.....what is it with you, are you a troll....cause it seem you never speak for yourself....exception the fruit cake with nuts....you know the argument you got your arse kicked on....rotflmao.
Your logic regarding the other matter made it an ideal time to bring it up again, Im certainly not upset,,should I be ? you were mistaken and that is why you would prefer it if I dropped the matter, your cook book is misleading if the matter were to be considered in law, CHECK it out.
If I happen to agree with someone, then I will support them,,have you not noticed?, YOU have a lack of support, to date. Kicked my arse ?, WHEN was that then pet.
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#83932 Dec 6, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
If you believe you can get two initials out of Ahomana....you are an uneducated dumb arse
We went to war alongside America, because it was hurting after the hit it took in 911, but they abused our trust and the right to call anyone an ally after they used both Britain and Australia in their ploy to start a war on another country with lies of WMDs, we knew them to have big yaps but to go as far as to lie to an ally...that is a new low even for America.
Don't you worry the next time you think to start a war with anyone Australia will make sure that it gets the truth or you can stand on your own...
Your can be a super power and idiots...you prove it everyday..
You are the fattest nation in the world because you are greedy fat pigs...everything you eat is up sized, next you will be serving babies on stakes to satify your greed.
Not true the aggressor tag came with Iraq....we went in, in a support role long after America, who hasn't been able to win a war since world war 2 and now you are mostly fighting third world countries, which proves the idiocy of your military.....they have the might but not the brains to finish what they start, without the nouse of the Brits and Australians.
Insecurity is always having to prove you are the biggest, fattest, loudest and the best...that is America's insecurity for you in spades, there is not another country in the world that owns that.
Australia is a country I am proud of, as are several other western nations that havent relied on vigilantism to effect their laws, that seek peace with their neighbours and who never reduce to lies to make trouble with a country to attain what they have....we are a country where it's diggers don't murder innocents in countries we are waring with...so when they march they do so with honour.
Next time you get yourself into another war you had better have learned your lessons from the war in Iraq....that allies are called that because of trust based on, you guessed it, honesty!
A. Ho ~ you need to calm yourself down. You'll blow a gasket!

It's still called Due Diligence. Don't you all feel likes fools because you believed a bunch of lies? Now that was pathetic.

I am TOTALLY AGAINST WAR. I think it is sinful.

We can stand on our own? Shrug.

Fat pigs? Do you really think ALL Americans are Fat Pigs? You exaggerate to prove a silly point.

Babies on stakes? Now that is sick. You should be ashamed of yourself. You have a strange mind.

Biggest, fattest and loudest? Why do y'all suck up to us if you don't like us. I can guarantee you ~ most Americans don't even give you a second thought.

You should be proud of your country. I am.

WW2? Did anyone really win? Does anyone ever win? It just ends.

Are you saying ~ you feel your politicians are honest? Smile. If you say Yes ~ I would then have to call you delusional. Get a grip. I have news for you.

How would you know what the diggers are doing in other countries? You know for a fact ~ they have NEVER killed an innocent person. If you say Yes, again ~ you are beyond delusional. I will know that you are a liar.

I truly think the top military guys are quite bright. Not too bright with certain women, but...

FYI ~ Not All Americans Want To Go To War. Horrible waste of lives and money. You must agree with that.

Awaiting your reply. If you dare.
Dr Freud

Netherlands

#83933 Dec 6, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
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Its the same here, they cannot and do not make the jury aware of the accused's past record, however the press is another matter,,,they print all they can find, and what they cant find, they invent.
"... they print all they can find, and what they cant find, they invent."

But such is libel, is it not?
Does not the U.K. have laws against that, especially in criminal cases?

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#83934 Dec 6, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
You shouldn't be obtuse Teaman it doesn't suit you.....Zimmerman was identifying himself as a white man by the privilage money had assured him, else he would live like most white hispanics ...not in a gated, middle class, predominantly white community, his community (white hispanic) would envy him but class him as a sell out.
Sooo,,,you think we should be segregated ? any particular reason ? are you not accepted by a particular people ? are you angry about it ? cause it seems you are pet.
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#83935 Dec 6, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, but you will find some places its prudent to be armed for safety.
03.03 am
Holy Cow! How do you stay awake half the night?

No, not prudent to be armed for safety. Haven't felt the need, so far.

If I didn't buy a gun four years ago ~ I'm sure not going to buy one now.
Anonymous

Mountain View, CA

#83936 Dec 6, 2012
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