DC's 'truth, honor' rally tests Glenn Beck's power

There are 14 comments on the KNDU story from Aug 27, 2010, titled DC's 'truth, honor' rally tests Glenn Beck's power. In it, KNDU reports that:

Glenn Beck, the man behind Saturday's rally at the site of Martin Luther King Jr.'s famous "I Have a Dream" speech, has built an empire around his own voice that grew exponentially with his move to Fox News Channel and President Barack Obama's election to the White House.

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Chylloh

United States

#231 Sep 4, 2010
Keri22421 wrote:
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You said, "Where was Obama when the Christian teenagers were ordered off of the steps of the capital?
Where was Obama when elderly at a nursing home were ordered not to pray over their meals?"
Where are you getting this?
Again, I reiterate, open your eyes and listen with your ears, its on the national news, everyday, there is some report in which Christians are prohibit from doing as praying in America but muslims from any place in the world can come and freely do so.

Remember last year when over 5000 muslims from all over the world were allow to congregate and pray on the capitol steps but yet they had police escort Christian teenagers who were praying on the steps? The nursing home report was all over the news, what, you conveniently did not see either?

Google it, you will find it.

“READ. FACT CHECK. VOTE.”

Since: Nov 09

Fayetteville, AR

#232 Sep 4, 2010
Chylloh wrote:
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Again, I reiterate, open your eyes and listen with your ears, its on the national news, everyday, there is some report in which Christians are prohibit from doing as praying in America but muslims from any place in the world can come and freely do so.
Remember last year when over 5000 muslims from all over the world were allow to congregate and pray on the capitol steps but yet they had police escort Christian teenagers who were praying on the steps? The nursing home report was all over the news, what, you conveniently did not see either?
Google it, you will find it.
Well I only found one reference to the students told not to pray and it was a right wing blog. Not that I don't believe it happened, I'm sure it probably did. I found a few references to the Muslims praying on the mall and I'm betting the difference is that one group had a permit and the other one didn't. It's a guess as I was not there. Groups gathering need permits. I'm not surprised you would turn it into something nefarious, however.
Chylloh

United States

#233 Sep 5, 2010
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2009/09/2...

MUSLIM DAY at the U.S. Capitol – turning Washington DC into an open air mosque
MASS OUTDOOR ISLAMIC PRAYER EVENT will turn Capitol Hill into a giant outdoor mosque.
UPDATE: Obviously, this event bombed, though, happily, not literally. There were about 5,000 Muslims on the Mall, not 50,000 as promised, praying at the Capitol building, so the organizers only missed by 90% or so. The event was so underwhelming, that the news barely covered it. Compared to the grand displays Muslims overseas held in front of Christian Holy sites all over Europe last year, this was like Harold & Kumar’s birthday party.
Perhaps the next time the activist elements won’t be so bold as to declare “OUR TIME HAS COME.” Perhaps next time the slogan will be,“We denounce Islamic terrorists as much as you do.”

Perhaps next time, they might want to choose some spokesmen who are a little less antagonistic. Hearing Dr. Ahmad Dwidar, Imam of the Islamic Center in New York, say “We are going to the White House, so that Islam will be victorious, Allah willing, and the White House will turn into the Muslim house” is not very all-American, unifying or comforting. It’s a good thing for him the news was not interested, or this event could have become a circus for Islam on Capitol Hill.
Chylloh

United States

#234 Sep 5, 2010
http://americaswatchtower.com/2010/05/12/seni...

Seniors told they can no longer pray before their meals
May 12, 2010
Have you heard the joke about the senior citizens who were told they could no longer pray before they ate their meals because the meals were provided by the government? What? Wait a minute…this is no joke. This is a true story.

I first read this story at Conservative Hideout, so a hat tip is in order. Props go out to Matt for finding this story.

Senior Citizens Inc. provides meals for senior citizens at a discount rate; a meal that would normally cost $6 only costs the seniors at Port Wentworth’s Ed Young Senior Citizens Center in Georgia $.55, the government picks up the tab for the rest of the bill. Because the federal government foots the rest of the bill, Senior Citizens Inc. has instituted a policy that there can be no prayer before the meals are served. They have instituted a moment of silence instead. Their defense is that they are not telling the seniors that they cannot pray before they eat, but rather that they must use the moment of silence to pray to themselves so that nobody else can hear them.

It’s interpreted that we’re telling people that they can’t pray, but we aren’t saying that,” he said.“We’re asking them to pray to themselves. Have that moment of silence

Naturally this all comes back to the whole separation of church and state argument; a concept that appears not in the constitution but was taken from a letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists in 1802. It would be worthwhile to note here that Thomas Jefferson was lukewarm at best to the constitution upon first reading it, fearing that it gave too much power to the federal government– specifically in regards to the presidency– and took too much power away from the states. It is also true that he was a fierce defender of the theory of the “seperation of church and state” and even set up one of the first– if not the first– secular universities in the country, but the fact remains that the “separation of church and state” appears nowhere in the constitution. He believed that all Americans had the right to worship– or not worship– in any manner that they saw fit.

The actual text of the constitution states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Can someone explain to me how a senior who says Grace before he or she eats a meal that was mostly paid for by the government constitutes the “establishment of religion” by the congress? Can someone explain to me how telling a senior that he or she cannot say Grace before eating the same meal is not being prohibited from the free exercise thereof?

While one may argue that congress has not passed this law, the fact remains that a company working in conjunction with the federal government is telling a person how and when they can pray, and any way you cut it, their freedom to exercise their religion is being violated.

The constitution does not say that a person may not pray if there is a chance that someone in the vicinity may be offended. Likewise, the constitution does not include a “right to never be offended.”

This is a clear cut case of political correctness run amuck, and a clear misunderstanding of what the “freedom of religion” amendment in the constitution means.
World Will End

Denver, CO

#235 Sep 5, 2010
Chylloh wrote:
http://americaswatchtower.com/2010/05/12/seni...
Seniors told they can no longer pray before their meals
May 12, 2010
Have you heard the joke about the senior citizens who were told they could no longer pray before they ate their meals because the meals were provided by the government? What? Wait a minute…this is no joke. This is a true story.
I first read this story at Conservative Hideout, so a hat tip is in order. Props go out to Matt for finding this story.
Senior Citizens Inc. provides meals for senior citizens at a discount rate; a meal that would normally cost $6 only costs the seniors at Port Wentworth’s Ed Young Senior Citizens Center in Georgia $.55, the government picks up the tab for the rest of the bill. Because the federal government foots the rest of the bill, Senior Citizens Inc. has instituted a policy that there can be no prayer before the meals are served. They have instituted a moment of silence instead. Their defense is that they are not telling the seniors that they cannot pray before they eat, but rather that they must use the moment of silence to pray to themselves so that nobody else can hear them.
It’s interpreted that we’re telling people that they can’t pray, but we aren’t saying that,” he said.“We’re asking them to pray to themselves. Have that moment of silence
Naturally this all comes back to the whole separation of church and state argument; a concept that appears not in the constitution but was taken from a letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists in 1802. It would be worthwhile to note here that Thomas Jefferson was lukewarm at best to the constitution upon first reading it, fearing that it gave too much power to the federal government– specifically in regards to the presidency– and took too much power away from the states. It is also true that he was a fierce defender of the theory of the “seperation of church and state” and even set up one of the first– if not the first– secular universities in the country, but the fact remains that the “separation of church and state” appears nowhere in the constitution. He believed that all Americans had the right to worship– or not worship– in any manner that they saw fit.
The actual text of the constitution states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Can someone explain to me how a senior who says Grace before he or she eats a meal that was mostly paid for by the government constitutes the “establishment of religion” by the congress? Can someone explain to me how telling a senior that he or she cannot say Grace before eating the same meal is not being prohibited from the free exercise thereof?
While one may argue that congress has not passed this law, the fact remains that a company working in conjunction with the federal government is telling a person how and when they can pray, and any way you cut it, their freedom to exercise their religion is being violated.
The constitution does not say that a person may not pray if there is a chance that someone in the vicinity may be offended. Likewise, the constitution does not include a “right to never be offended.”
This is a clear cut case of political correctness run amuck, and a clear misunderstanding of what the “freedom of religion” amendment in the constitution means.
I know seniors who live at or below the poverty line and they are just happy to get a decent meal for a low price. The ones I know attend church but don't routinely pray before meals. The food is more important than whether or not they can say a prayer someone else can hear.

In other news, we had some church people who wanted to give meals to kids, but they wanted them to have to attend certain church things in order to get the meals. If I read it right, this is illegal.
Chylloh

Lawrenceburg, KY

#236 Sep 6, 2010
World Will End wrote:
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I know seniors who live at or below the poverty line and they are just happy to get a decent meal for a low price. The ones I know attend church but don't routinely pray before meals. The food is more important than whether or not they can say a prayer someone else can hear.
In other news, we had some church people who wanted to give meals to kids, but they wanted them to have to attend certain church things in order to get the meals. If I read it right, this is illegal.
They should be given the right to pray or not pray.

Do you see our government trying to stop the muslims for praying anywhere, do you?

“READ. FACT CHECK. VOTE.”

Since: Nov 09

Fayetteville, AR

#237 Sep 7, 2010
Chylloh wrote:
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They should be given the right to pray or not pray.
Do you see our government trying to stop the muslims for praying anywhere, do you?
I'm sure if one of those seniors was Muslim and started to pray aloud they would have been stopped too. Again, nobody was telling them they couldn't pray. You're spinning.

Since: Jul 08

"In My World You Don't Exist"

#238 Sep 7, 2010
Chylloh wrote:
http://barenakedislam.wordpres s.com/2009/09/25/muslim-day-at -the-us-capitol-turning-washin gton-dc-into-an-open-air-mosqu e/
MUSLIM DAY at the U.S. Capitol – turning Washington DC into an open air mosque
MASS OUTDOOR ISLAMIC PRAYER EVENT will turn Capitol Hill into a giant outdoor mosque.
UPDATE: Obviously, this event bombed, though, happily, not literally. There were about 5,000 Muslims on the Mall, not 50,000 as promised, praying at the Capitol building, so the organizers only missed by 90% or so. The event was so underwhelming, that the news barely covered it. Compared to the grand displays Muslims overseas held in front of Christian Holy sites all over Europe last year, this was like Harold & Kumar’s birthday party.
Perhaps the next time the activist elements won’t be so bold as to declare “OUR TIME HAS COME.” Perhaps next time the slogan will be,“We denounce Islamic terrorists as much as you do.”
Perhaps next time, they might want to choose some spokesmen who are a little less antagonistic. Hearing Dr. Ahmad Dwidar, Imam of the Islamic Center in New York, say “We are going to the White House, so that Islam will be victorious, Allah willing, and the White House will turn into the Muslim house” is not very all-American, unifying or comforting. It’s a good thing for him the news was not interested, or this event could have become a circus for Islam on Capitol Hill.
How bout we celebrate with the fine people in Gainsville, Fl on 9/11/10 and burn a Koran. Or better yet, toss a Koran in a Pig Sty...
Chylloh

United States

#239 Sep 7, 2010
Keri22421 wrote:
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I'm sure if one of those seniors was Muslim and started to pray aloud they would have been stopped too. Again, nobody was telling them they couldn't pray. You're spinning.
Wake up.

Did they stop the muslims from praying on the capitol steps as they did the Christian teenagers?

You need to open your eyes and see the truth, the truth being, muslims is being pushed on the American people plus given exemptions from their practicing of religion in the public or wherever their hearts desire.
Chylloh

United States

#240 Sep 7, 2010
M Zulu Shabazz wrote:
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How bout we celebrate with the fine people in Gainsville, Fl on 9/11/10 and burn a Koran. Or better yet, toss a Koran in a Pig Sty...
They are finally taking a step to do something, tired of being pushed around by our gov. and the muslim religions.Hey, now they know how Christians feel by THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT.

Good for them.

I didn't hear you say anything to support the elderly and teenagers who were denied the priviledge of praying but given to the muslims.

What say you?
Algernon Sidney

Lakewood, OH

#241 Sep 11, 2010
concerned american wrote:
They are "forcing" you to buy health care insurance the same way they "force" you to buy car insurance.
That is false. A person does not have to buy car insurance if they can show financial responsibility FOR OTHERS in some other manner. A person does not have to buy car insurance if they do not drive their car off of their own property, a choice a person does not have with health insurance.

“READ. FACT CHECK. VOTE.”

Since: Nov 09

Fayetteville, AR

#242 Sep 11, 2010
Chylloh wrote:
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Wake up.
Did they stop the muslims from praying on the capitol steps as they did the Christian teenagers?
You need to open your eyes and see the truth, the truth being, muslims is being pushed on the American people plus given exemptions from their practicing of religion in the public or wherever their hearts desire.
The Muslims likely had a permit. You try to get 5,000 people together without one. The school group said it was an unplanned gathering. Again. You're spinning.
Chylloh

United States

#243 Sep 11, 2010
What is wrong with you?

Spinning what, the truth.

I know one thing, you have one excuse after another when someone gives you facts, so why do you ask people to give you sites when you cowardly deny them anyway?

Its like a kid playing playground pranks in order to draw attention. I can see why you are an Obamanite.

“READ. FACT CHECK. VOTE.”

Since: Nov 09

Fayetteville, AR

#244 Sep 11, 2010
Chylloh wrote:
What is wrong with you?
Spinning what, the truth.
I know one thing, you have one excuse after another when someone gives you facts, so why do you ask people to give you sites when you cowardly deny them anyway?
Its like a kid playing playground pranks in order to draw attention. I can see why you are an Obamanite.
What don't you understand about the difference between the two groups? One was a planned event with PERMITS and the other was not. what is wrong with YOU?

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