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Police: Mother describes beating of 2-year-old, hiding her body

There are 1013 comments on the www.cnn.com story from Nov 26, 2007, titled Police: Mother describes beating of 2-year-old, hiding her body. In it, www.cnn.com reports that:

Before dying, two-year-old Riley Ann Sawyers was beaten with belts, picked up by her hair, thrown across the room and held under water, according to an affidavit from the Galveston County Sheriff's Office.

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Debpatriot

United States

#1003 Dec 1, 2007
Second Thoughts wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, please. Give me a break.
Silence is consent and all I've seen from you is your siding with those who support killing children. You forget, or wilfully ignore, that even Jesus, Himself, made a whip and drove out those who prostituted sacred ground. Was Jesus' physically using a whip "in love"? Of course it was, but according to your definition, no it wasn't. Did Jesus' actions win any converts? Absolutely not, but it was righteous indignation. Did Jesus' actions "warm one heart" to the issue? Not according to my Bible. So, according to your defitition, Jesus wasn't acting much like a Christian.
Or maybe, Jesus was and it's your definition that needs to be revised.
Be angry but sin not. Rightous anger, yes. But You Are On The Wrong Forum.

Since: Sep 07

Atlanta GA

#1004 Dec 1, 2007
DC tells it like it is wrote:
<quoted text>
First off, you do not know the numbers of hair on anyone's head. Not even your own.
Therefore you know not what is truly in anyone's heart. Including your own.
But yet, you can say what God thinks. That is very interesting.
He gave more warning to the hypocrite then to any other's.
His warnings were basically to the churches. Not to the common man/woman. He came to heal the sick, not the well.
The hardest thing for anyone person to control is ......their tongue.
You have been asked more then once to stop your ravings of abortion on this tread which is dedicated to this wee child. But yet you continue to carry on.
And you worry of others? Save yourself, and let God be the judge in the end.
Very well stated.

“My Bad! Just hold me. ”

Since: Aug 07

Orion's Belt

#1005 Dec 1, 2007
Debpatriot wrote:
<quoted text>Thank the Lord for likemindedness on this subject. I commented first then read your post. It's so obvious, but he still ravages the good intentions of others. It breaks my heart now to be refuted by someone who supposedly believes the same things I do. Crushing...
As I really liked your post and was going to comment on it...But nothing states a mere fact as clearly as what that post of your's says.

Is so hard at times to accept change and needing to go with it in order to survive.
It is crushing, and pains me to see someone mock the Lord, and that is what I believe this endless hate is ...

Godspeed to you.....in peace we stand until the day we are judged by not what we have done, but by our hearts mercy.

May He have mercy on us all on that day.

“My Bad! Just hold me. ”

Since: Aug 07

Orion's Belt

#1006 Dec 1, 2007
Miss Nanny wrote:
<quoted text>
Very well stated.
Thank you and well meant.

As I said once, if I could hold all the poor, hurt, starving, and abused children in my arms. I would..and never to let a one go until they are safe.

“Common sense isn't so common”

Since: Jun 07

seattle,wa

#1007 Dec 1, 2007
DC tells it like it is wrote:
<quoted text>
First off, you do not know the numbers of hair on anyone's head. Not even your own.
Therefore you know not what is truly in anyone's heart. Including your own.
But yet, you can say what God thinks. That is very interesting.
He gave more warning to the hypocrite then to any other's.
His warnings were basically to the churches. Not to the common man/woman. He came to heal the sick, not the well.
The hardest thing for anyone person to control is ......their tongue.
You have been asked more then once to stop your ravings of abortion on this tread which is dedicated to this wee child. But yet you continue to carry on.
And you worry of others? Save yourself, and let God be the judge in the end.
Heart felt and well said, Thanks :)
Second Thoughts

Agoura Hills, CA

#1009 Dec 1, 2007
DC tells it like it is wrote:
<quoted text>
First off, you do not know the numbers of hair on anyone's head. Not even your own.
Therefore you know not what is truly in anyone's heart. Including your own.
But yet, you can say what God thinks. That is very interesting.
He gave more warning to the hypocrite then to any other's.
His warnings were basically to the churches. Not to the common man/woman. He came to heal the sick, not the well.
The hardest thing for anyone person to control is ......their tongue.
You have been asked more then once to stop your ravings of abortion on this tread which is dedicated to this wee child. But yet you continue to carry on.
And you worry of others? Save yourself, and let God be the judge in the end.
First, out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. In this case writes. So, by the written word, I can tell one's heart by what one writes.

Second, Yes, I do have the mind of Christ...it's called the Bible.

Third, I agree about the hypocrite. That is why I address the one who supports killing children, but condemns the woman who does it.

Forth, if you notice, my response using Revelations (to the church) was a response to Deb, who invoked the name of God. So, if she was part of Christ's church, then this admonition applies.

Fifth, God is the judge in the end. He is the judge of the actions of the unbeliever as to their disobedience and to the believer as to their obedience.

Sixth, it was said that I do not stop. I understand how it appears that way, simply I have to respond to everyone who is tag-teamed against me. I, alone, respond to five, or six accusers whereas I am really, the only who does take a stand. So, whereas, you only post one response, I have six people who are just posting one response, so I post six times as much. Now, you have chosen to enter the fray. But I understand you all need the support of one another even if I don't.
Second Thoughts

Agoura Hills, CA

#1010 Dec 1, 2007
Debpatriot wrote:
<quoted text>Thank the Lord for likemindedness on this subject. I commented first then read your post. It's so obvious, but he still ravages the good intentions of others. It breaks my heart now to be refuted by someone who supposedly believes the same things I do. Crushing...
Oh, I get it. You're allowed to accuse me, but I am not allow to respond.

“My Bad! Just hold me. ”

Since: Aug 07

Orion's Belt

#1011 Dec 1, 2007
Second Thoughts wrote:
<quoted text>
First, out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. In this case writes. So, by the written word, I can tell one's heart by what one writes.
Second, Yes, I do have the mind of Christ...it's called the Bible.
Third, I agree about the hypocrite. That is why I address the one who supports killing children, but condemns the woman who does it.
Forth, if you notice, my response using Revelations (to the church) was a response to Deb, who invoked the name of God. So, if she was part of Christ's church, then this admonition applies.
Fifth, God is the judge in the end. He is the judge of the actions of the unbeliever as to their disobedience and to the believer as to their obedience.
Sixth, it was said that I do not stop. I understand how it appears that way, simply I have to respond to everyone who is tag-teamed against me. I, alone, respond to five, or six accusers whereas I am really, the only who does take a stand. So, whereas, you only post one response, I have six people who are just posting one response, so I post six times as much. Now, you have chosen to enter the fray. But I understand you all need the support of one another even if I don't.
Why can't you see, this isn't about your bravado, doesn't matter who stands with or without you, isn't the thread for your rhetoric redundancy.

This is a thread about a child that lost her life. She was born, raised, laughed, looked into her mother's eyes. Was loved and cherished by her grandma, and others.

Doesn't matter who stands where on abortion issue. The issue is a life of BORN child at the age of TWO was taken.

Is your self righteous ego in such need that you can not see this.

This isn't about YOU....or your beliefs. Is about baby Grace.

You do both God and His Son a disservice to continue in the manner you are.

This isn't the thread for abortion, or your self zealot righteousness. Period.

“Common sense isn't so common”

Since: Jun 07

seattle,wa

#1012 Dec 1, 2007
Second Thoughts wrote:
<quoted text>
First, out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. In this case writes. So, by the written word, I can tell one's heart by what one writes.
Second, Yes, I do have the mind of Christ...it's called the Bible.
Third, I agree about the hypocrite. That is why I address the one who supports killing children, but condemns the woman who does it.
Forth, if you notice, my response using Revelations (to the church) was a response to Deb, who invoked the name of God. So, if she was part of Christ's church, then this admonition applies.
Fifth, God is the judge in the end. He is the judge of the actions of the unbeliever as to their disobedience and to the believer as to their obedience.
Sixth, it was said that I do not stop. I understand how it appears that way, simply I have to respond to everyone who is tag-teamed against me. I, alone, respond to five, or six accusers whereas I am really, the only who does take a stand. So, whereas, you only post one response, I have six people who are just posting one response, so I post six times as much. Now, you have chosen to enter the fray. But I understand you all need the support of one another even if I don't.
"Sixth, it was said that I do not stop. I understand how it appears that way, simply I have to respond to everyone who is tag-teamed against me. I, alone, respond to five, or six accusers whereas I am really, the only who does take a stand. So, whereas, you only post one response, I have six people who are just posting one response, so I post six times as much. Now, you have chosen to enter the fray. But I understand you all need the support of one another even if I don't."

No, because you have consistantly replyed at least 2 times to my ONE posting
Don't think you have anyone fooled, you and Cas are one in the same
Again, I'll Ask you Show me where I said I am for abortion....
You can't because I never did, unlike you just because I belive in something I don't feel as if i need to beat people over the head with MY BELIEFS. I also have something called compassion, I do think ahead what if the family or friends of the familys are reading this
If it will make you go away I will go away and just never post here again, because I do truly belive that people need a place to leave their blessings for this lil girl, because unlike abortion, theres no other place to

“My Bad! Just hold me. ”

Since: Aug 07

Orion's Belt

#1014 Dec 1, 2007
the bigger picture wrote:
<quoted text>
Heart felt and well said, Thanks :)
You're welcome. And by all means...please don't leave..

We stay because we care deeply. Remember this is what brought you here and stay with strength.

Godspeed...
Until then~
Second Thoughts

Agoura Hills, CA

#1015 Dec 2, 2007
the bigger picture wrote:
<quoted text>

No, because you have consistantly replyed at least 2 times to my ONE posting
Ohhhhhh, God forbid! I replied twice to your one post. OK, I'll try to keep one reply to each one of your posts. Will that satisfy you?
the bigger picture wrote:
<quoted text>Don't think you have anyone fooled, you and Cas are one in the same
DANG!!! You have me fooled. I didn't know I was CAS. But, I guess you know me better than I know myself. Maybe, I post under that name in my sleep. You know...kinda like sleep-posting.
the bigger picture wrote:
<quoted text>If it will make you go away I will go away and just never post here again, because I do truly belive that people need a place to leave their blessings for this lil girl, because unlike abortion, theres no other place to
Do as you like. Just make sure that you exercise some of your "compassion" for the families of the aborted babies, also.

However, just be careful that the next time when you ask how something could've happened that you're prepared for someone to answer it...even if you don't like the answer.
Second Thoughts

Agoura Hills, CA

#1016 Dec 2, 2007
DC tells it like it is wrote:
<quoted text>

This is a thread about a child that lost her life.
I agree. But, if you notice there are plenty of posters wondering how this could've happened. I offered an answer. And in that answer, I asked why there wasn't the same fervency of the thousands of children that get killed every year by their mothers.
DC tells it like it is wrote:
<quoted text> She was born, raised, laughed, looked into her mother's eyes. Was loved and cherished by her grandma, and others.
That's quite a bit more than aborted children get. Yet, I see no "compassion", mourning, or indignation on your part for them.
DC tells it like it is wrote:
<quoted text>Doesn't matter who stands where on abortion issue.
I agree. I never took a role call on where and who stands on the abortion issue. I was just calling into question the hypocrisy of this specific scenario as compared to the millions of aborted children that have been murdered by their mothers.
DC tells it like it is wrote:
<quoted text>The issue is a life of BORN child at the age of TWO was taken.
No, the issue is where is your compassion for those who never got to be born to reach the age of two. You cry for this one who got a taste of life while shutting eyes, ears, and compassion for the others.
DC tells it like it is wrote:
<quoted text>Is your self righteous ego in such need that you can not see this.
I ask you the same thing, "Is your self righteous ego in such need that you can not see this?
DC tells it like it is wrote:
<quoted text>This isn't about YOU....or your beliefs. Is about baby Grace.
You do both God and His Son a disservice to continue in the manner you are.
LOL! Now you claim to know the mind of God. I think that God can take care of Himself.
DC tells it like it is wrote:
<quoted text>This isn't the thread for abortion, or your self zealot righteousness. Period.
WOW, you said "period". I guess in your mind that means that I am not to respond. Sorry, you are wrong. I must have hit a nerve, because you keep hearing me bringing up the abortion issue for the sake of bringing up the abortion issue. However, what you fail to see is that I keep bringing up the abortion issue to show your hypocrisy and inconsistency that you and the other posters display in this situation in comparison to your lack of display in the greater matter. But, regardless, I understand you'll see what you want to. And I, also, understand that you need verification of your misinterpretation by the mutual support and accolades from other likeminded anti-lifers.

“Common sense isn't so common”

Since: Jun 07

seattle,wa

#1017 Dec 2, 2007
Second Thoughts wrote:
<quoted text>
Ohhhhhh, God forbid! I replied twice to your one post. OK, I'll try to keep one reply to each one of your posts. Will that satisfy you?
<quoted text>
DANG!!! You have me fooled. I didn't know I was CAS. But, I guess you know me better than I know myself. Maybe, I post under that name in my sleep. You know...kinda like sleep-posting.
<quoted text>Do as you like. Just make sure that you exercise some of your "compassion" for the families of the aborted babies, also.
However, just be careful that the next time when you ask how something could've happened that you're prepared for someone to answer it...even if you don't like the answer.
Show me where I asked how this could have happened? I know I how it happened I SEE IT EVERYDAY WITH MY WORK,as I have stated countless times.
Unlike you I have also tryed to help other's help this from happening again, by giving advice to learn the signs of abuse
Like I said in my earlier post, I don't feel the need to beat people in the head with my beliefs, that gets you no where
So I've just came to the conclusion you're an attention seeking troll and I refuse to give you any more of my attention

“Common sense isn't so common”

Since: Jun 07

seattle,wa

#1018 Dec 2, 2007
This is so imporant, please read and go to the site too

Abuse of Children:
The Signs and Symptoms of Child Abuse

There are many warning signs of abuse of children. One sign, one or two times, does not necessarily mean anything. Keep watching before you jump to conclusions but once you are reasonably sure, report it to the proper authorities. That's the law and the only choice when children are involved.

Physical Abuse:
Sores, burns, bruises on body. A reluctance or vagueness about where these originated. Bruises and burns are the most persistent physical symptoms.

Neglect:
Soiled diapers, dirty hair, unwashed clothes, body odor. Sometimes weight loss and lackluster skin and/or hair can indicate neglect, particularly in a proper or sufficient diet.

Emotional or Mental Abuse:
This is harder to tell. Abused children often become quiet but that is not always a way to tell. Lack of self-esteem is another way to tell but again, that does not mean children are abused.

Sexual Abuse:
There are warning signs of sexual abuse of children, too. Precocious behavior; sexual knowledge, through language or behavior, that is beyond what is normal for their age; copying adult sexual behavior; inappropriate sexual behavior such as kissing on the mouth and/or attempting to insert tongue in your mouth; soreness, redness, chaffing around genitals; habitual sleeping with parent of opposite sex in pre-teen or older; reluctance or outright refusal to let you wash or dry those parts of the body; persistent sexual play with other children, themselves, toys or pets.

Remember that inappropriate touching is also sexual abuse. This is not uncommon, particularly when alcohol or drugs are involved

http://www.cyberparent.com/abuse/childabuse.h...
Debpatriot

United States

#1019 Dec 2, 2007
DC tells it like it is wrote:
<quoted text>
As I really liked your post and was going to comment on it...But nothing states a mere fact as clearly as what that post of your's says.
Is so hard at times to accept change and needing to go with it in order to survive.
It is crushing, and pains me to see someone mock the Lord, and that is what I believe this endless hate is ...
Godspeed to you.....in peace we stand until the day we are judged by not what we have done, but by our hearts mercy.
May He have mercy on us all on that day.
Yes D.C. Let us be at Peace, & I'm glad to have shared the loving remembrances of this postsite. I hope others weren't too discouraged & left messages as well. Bye for now...
Debpatriot

United States

#1020 Dec 2, 2007
Second Thoughts wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, I get it. You're allowed to accuse me, but I am not allow to respond.
TRUTH: Am I not speaking the truth? I'm accusing you only of not posting on the appropriate forum. God says to speak the truth. I am not tag-teaming you. Only trying to get you to stop talking Abortion on this forum.
Debpatriot

United States

#1021 Dec 2, 2007
the bigger picture wrote:
<quoted text>
"Sixth, it was said that I do not stop. I understand how it appears that way, simply I have to respond to everyone who is tag-teamed against me. I, alone, respond to five, or six accusers whereas I am really, the only who does take a stand. So, whereas, you only post one response, I have six people who are just posting one response, so I post six times as much. Now, you have chosen to enter the fray. But I understand you all need the support of one another even if I don't."
No, because you have consistantly replyed at least 2 times to my ONE posting
Don't think you have anyone fooled, you and Cas are one in the same
Again, I'll Ask you Show me where I said I am for abortion....
You can't because I never did, unlike you just because I belive in something I don't feel as if i need to beat people over the head with MY BELIEFS. I also have something called compassion, I do think ahead what if the family or friends of the familys are reading this
If it will make you go away I will go away and just never post here again, because I do truly belive that people need a place to leave their blessings for this lil girl, because unlike abortion, theres no other place to
Couldn't agree with you more. Good luck to all in trying to leave Riley a post,in a way to express their sorrow for her loss... God bless all, & Jesus Loves The little children of the world. Born & unborn.
Debpatriot

United States

#1022 Dec 2, 2007
Second Thoughts wrote:
<quoted text>
Ohhhhhh, God forbid! I replied twice to your one post. OK, I'll try to keep one reply to each one of your posts. Will that satisfy you?
<quoted text>
DANG!!! You have me fooled. I didn't know I was CAS. But, I guess you know me better than I know myself. Maybe, I post under that name in my sleep. You know...kinda like sleep-posting.
<quoted text>Do as you like. Just make sure that you exercise some of your "compassion" for the families of the aborted babies, also.
However, just be careful that the next time when you ask how something could've happened that you're prepared for someone to answer it...even if you don't like the answer.
No more confusion. No more responses to second thoughts. I can do without his unloving, sarcasm for sure.
Second Thoughts

Agoura Hills, CA

#1023 Dec 2, 2007
the bigger picture wrote:
<quoted text>
Show me where I asked how this could have happened? I know I how it happened I SEE IT EVERYDAY WITH MY WORK,as I have stated countless times.
Unlike you I have also tryed to help other's help this from happening again, by giving advice to learn the signs of abuse
Like I said in my earlier post, I don't feel the need to beat people in the head with my beliefs, that gets you no where
So I've just came to the conclusion you're an attention seeking troll and I refuse to give you any more of my attention
This is the perfect example of what I was talking about. I responded to another's question, you respond to my response, I explain my reasonning, and you ask me where you asked the question.
Second Thoughts

Agoura Hills, CA

#1024 Dec 2, 2007
the bigger picture wrote:
This is so imporant, please read and go to the site too
Abuse of Children:
The Signs and Symptoms of Child Abuse
There are many warning signs of abuse of children. One sign, one or two times, does not necessarily mean anything. Keep watching before you jump to conclusions but once you are reasonably sure, report it to the proper authorities. That's the law and the only choice when children are involved.
Physical Abuse:
Sores, burns, bruises on body. A reluctance or vagueness about where these originated. Bruises and burns are the most persistent physical symptoms.
Neglect:
Soiled diapers, dirty hair, unwashed clothes, body odor. Sometimes weight loss and lackluster skin and/or hair can indicate neglect, particularly in a proper or sufficient diet.
Emotional or Mental Abuse:
This is harder to tell. Abused children often become quiet but that is not always a way to tell. Lack of self-esteem is another way to tell but again, that does not mean children are abused.
Sexual Abuse:
There are warning signs of sexual abuse of children, too. Precocious behavior; sexual knowledge, through language or behavior, that is beyond what is normal for their age; copying adult sexual behavior; inappropriate sexual behavior such as kissing on the mouth and/or attempting to insert tongue in your mouth; soreness, redness, chaffing around genitals; habitual sleeping with parent of opposite sex in pre-teen or older; reluctance or outright refusal to let you wash or dry those parts of the body; persistent sexual play with other children, themselves, toys or pets.
Remember that inappropriate touching is also sexual abuse. This is not uncommon, particularly when alcohol or drugs are involved
http://www.cyberparent.com/abuse/childabuse.h...
And killing your child before birth is the ulitmate abuse...you forgot that one.

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