The N.R.A. Wins Again

The N.R.A. Wins Again

There are 236 comments on the www.newyorker.com story from Mar 20, 2013, titled The N.R.A. Wins Again. In it, www.newyorker.com reports that:

After Sandy Hook, after twenty children were shot and killed at a place where they should have been safe from all harm, there was some optimism among supporters of gun control: perhaps now, finally, both Democrats and Republicans could see the light - and the suffering - and revive the assault-weapons ban.

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Since: Aug 12

Saint Louis, MO

#162 Mar 24, 2013
Voice of Reality wrote:
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The big problem with the anti groups is that most of them do not know what the F they are talking about. They think that any gun that is flat black is an assault weapon. Much like Al Gore and his famous statement that he went hunting on a number of occasions with his double gauge shotgun to the stupid posed picture of obama shooting a shotgun looking like a frightened little 12 year old with the completely upright position and feet close together pose of somebody who does not know the hell about guns and how to shoot them.
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And the fact that they keep pushing shotguns, which have been the civilian assault weapon for since before assault rifles where invented. A snap shot, pull the trigger once, how many projectiles in your load of buck shot. Pump pull again, And again, and again.
Their imaginary view of weapons they don't have.. sadly even some they might. Makes it difficult for them to speak coherently about them.
peter

Perrysburg, OH

#163 Mar 24, 2013
LETs make a NEW different LAW.
If any criminal that has been in prison or jail or convicted of any crime, ABOVE J-walking, or so. That if a X-Criminal is suspected of having a weapon, at any resident they may live at, say at, visit in the last 5 years, any auto, or friends auto, can be searched ONLY for weapons. This will make it harder for criminals. Not law abiding people.
Any constitutions, WELL are they not chipping away at the 2nd amendment? Lets TURN the page. To those GUN BAN CLAN.
Cat74

United States

#164 Mar 24, 2013
This isn't about stopping crime. it is about government controling the people. This governement has no will to stop, and frisk to look for illegal weapons. It is about controling the law abiding citizens. The criminal element won't be controled no matter what they do.

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Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#165 Mar 24, 2013
Drake_Burrwood wrote:
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-Most of the sales at gun shows are by dealers, and they are all ready required to make the call, no matter Where they are selling it.
-And why shouldn't the NRA, until they actually do the job and well, why spread this beyond Dealers who are already equipped to do this.
The job of keeping criminals is already done fairly well, since the majority of guns used in crimes are illegally acquired, and a private sale gun isn't illegal.
- If you want to sell a gun with a background check go to a dealer they are already authorized to do one for you. I don't think they are yet ,required; could be wrong Obama has been doing a LOT of writing, and will charge you for it if they choose to do it..
Here's my response.
Today's background checks are a joke. Thorough universal background checks should be required for any sale of a firearm.
Doing background checks should not be in the hands of gun dealers, and certainly not handled by the NRA. That would be like asking John Dillinger to be in charge of bank security.
Private sale guns should not be legal unless submiitted for background checks.
If a gun is found to be illegally acquired, both the seller and buyer should be subject to very serious jail time.

Since: Jan 13

Worcester, MA

#166 Mar 24, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Speaking of deranged people, NRA's La Pierre has spoken time and time again against background checks. If background checks included psychological profiles, I don't think La Pierre would pass.
The NRA are not against background checks they are against liberals who once they get their foot in the door will ban everything. NOBODY in the NRA wants criminals to posses firearms.

Since: Jan 13

Worcester, MA

#167 Mar 24, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text> Here's my response.
Today's background checks are a joke. Thorough universal background checks should be required for any sale of a firearm.
Doing background checks should not be in the hands of gun dealers, and certainly not handled by the NRA. That would be like asking John Dillinger to be in charge of bank security.
Private sale guns should not be legal unless submiitted for background checks.
If a gun is found to be illegally acquired, both the seller and buyer should be subject to very serious jail time.
Believe it. Background checks will pick up everything unless you are an illegal with fake papers and if that is the case the government should turn their focus on to controlling that issue. Leave the responsible firearm owners alone.

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Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#168 Mar 24, 2013
subhuman 84 wrote:
<quoted text>The NRA are not against background checks they are against liberals who once they get their foot in the door will ban everything. NOBODY in the NRA wants criminals to posses firearms.
The leadership of the NRA profits from sales by gun manufacturers. The rank and file do not.
But you make a clear case about the membership's paranoia. As long as savagery remains part of the human animal, guns will find a way to be part of the condition.

Since: Aug 12

Saint Louis, MO

#169 Mar 24, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text> Here's my response.
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Doing background checks should not be in the hands of gun dealers, and certainly not handled by the NRA. That would be like asking John Dillinger to be in charge of bank security.
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Which is why it is handled by the ATF..
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Since: May 11

Location hidden

#170 Mar 24, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Your so-called "rights" be damned! The deaths of little kids and the need for public safety trump your gun crazy desires. To hell with the NRA and its deranged leaders!
If you are so worried about the safety of children, why don't you b*tch about 3400 abortions performed a day!

Since: Jan 13

Worcester, MA

#171 Mar 24, 2013
When I got my hunting license this year there is actually a question on there if you are an illegal and how to still apply for license. Now that's a complete joke!!!

Since: Aug 12

Saint Louis, MO

#172 Mar 24, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
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But you make a clear case about the membership's paranoia. As long as savagery remains part of the human animal, guns will find a way to be part of the condition.
And pretending this is a world where savagery isn't will continue to cause unnecessary deaths at the hands, knives, hammers, bats, swords, poisons, fires, cars, shotguns, gas chambers, tanks, airplanes, pistols,...[sheesh; this would wear me out], of Rogue predators assisted by those who would try and prevent them from being stopped by their victims.

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Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#173 Mar 24, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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If you are so worried about the safety of children, why don't you b*tch about 3400 abortions performed a day!
Yours is one of the more clueless comments on the subject. Your side wants to prevent abortions, so the kids can grow up to be maimed and killed in senseless wars.

In any case, your ridiculous argument assumes that one cannot care about childrens' safety unless he is pro-abortion. That is just plain dimwitted.

Finally, you have never seen any comments from me saying I was pro-abortion. I think it is savage. To me, there is a more practical question. We know that, legal or not, abortions will continue. The issue then becomes whether the procedure should be performed by a trained professional, or by some back-alley butcher with a coat hanger. Assuming we cannot stop abortions, which would you prefer?

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#174 Mar 24, 2013
Drake_Burrwood wrote:
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And pretending this is a world where savagery isn't will continue to cause unnecessary deaths at the hands, knives, hammers, bats, swords, poisons, fires, cars, shotguns, gas chambers, tanks, airplanes, pistols,...[sheesh; this would wear me out], of Rogue predators assisted by those who would try and prevent them from being stopped by their victims.
Then by all means let's add to the killers' arsenal.
Voice of Reality

Colonial Heights, VA

#175 Mar 24, 2013
You just got to love it, people like Larry, The Gay Blade, and others talk about the NRA in control of backround checks for gun purchase and that a lot of sales at Gun Shows are done without backround checks. They put their mouth in gear without engaging their brains.

Point number one, all dealers involved in the selling of firearms at a gun show must have an FFL (Federal Firearms License) which is issued by the ATF. All dealers at Virginia gun shows must produce said license to be verfied by both local and state police who are at the gun shows every hour that they are open. All gun dealers must be equipped with lap top computers that are hooked up to the State Police where the backround checks are submitted to be cleared by NCIC, CCRE, VCIN and the Virginia database of adjudications of legally incompetent people as noted by records. At every sale involving a firearm two types of ID must be submitted, Primary must be a picture ID issued by the Commonwealth and a secondary which can be a voter ID, pay stub or anything that is official and has one's correct address. I have been to over a dozen gun shows both as a buyer and seller across the Commonwealth and I can tell you that the police are VERY strict on these issues. By the way, in addition to the many uniformed officers at a show there are twice as many plain clothes and undercover officers watching these transactions. The only so called gun show loop hole is when private buyers and sellers meet at a show and then either go to the parking lot or the home of the seller and complete a private tranaction. I am guessing that people like Larry have never been to a gun show or attempted to purchase a gun from one of these shows.

Now, I will admit that there are sales at gun shows that are not backround checked as there are people selling everything from edged weapons to home made jerky to military collectables such as patches, awards and uniforms. There are also many dealers selling cleaning supplies for guns, reloading equipment and goods for taxidermy. The problem with the uninformed people when they attempt to form opinions is that they have no real world experience with what they are talking about.

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Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#176 Mar 24, 2013
Voice of Reality wrote:
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Do you believe that all past owners of any vehicle should be held to the same responsibility? What about the dealers who sell the cars? What we have is a quality of people problem, not a quanity of guns problem. I can not help it (As a proud Virginian) if idiots from New York come to Va. and or have people purchase guns for them so they can use them as a criminal.
Only the last owner.
Only guns used in a crime.

Those "...people purchase guns for them..." are precisely th people whose dealings should be criminalized
The owner whose gun was legitimately stolen would be dismissed from the case by the trial judge.
The owner who permitted his gun to be sold on the street to criminals would face the consequences.

Surely you are a responsible person?

And all vehicles are registered.
Cat74

United States

#177 Mar 24, 2013
If a gun is used in a crime, arrest the violator. The shooter. You don't see DEA, and FBI, and DHS knocking down doors in Obama's old Chicago neighborhood. They commit crimes every day against each other. When they decide to venture into other neighborhoods with their illegal guns, and drugs we must be ready. And that is why Obama wants your guns, to save his own people.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#178 Mar 24, 2013
Cat74 wrote:
If a gun is used in a crime, arrest the violator. The shooter. You don't see DEA, and FBI, and DHS knocking down doors in Obama's old Chicago neighborhood. They commit crimes every day against each other. When they decide to venture into other neighborhoods with their illegal guns, and drugs we must be ready. And that is why Obama wants your guns, to save his own people.
The guns in Chicago didn't come from Chicago. I agree. Arrest the violator who transmitted that illegal gun, and the shooter.

Obama "...wants your guns..." to save Hawaiians?
Really?
Voice of Reality

Colonial Heights, VA

#179 Mar 24, 2013
Mr_Bill wrote:
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Only the last owner.
Only guns used in a crime.
Those "...people purchase guns for them..." are precisely th people whose dealings should be criminalized
The owner whose gun was legitimately stolen would be dismissed from the case by the trial judge.
The owner who permitted his gun to be sold on the street to criminals would face the consequences.
Surely you are a responsible person?
And all vehicles are registered.
Actually there are already laws on the books for illegal purchases of guns. The act of getting people to purchase guns for the express purpose of allowing either out of state people to get them or people who are not qualified to own them are guilty of what is called "A Straw Purchase" and that is a criminal act. About 20 years ago we had a retired Army Major who ran a shooting range and gun shop get charged with allowing Straw Purchases and he took his own life before coming to trial. The indoor range in question was on Hull St. right across the road from the Va. State Police Headquarters. Former owners of guns have no control over the third and fourth transaction that their former gun was involved in, just as former owners of vehicles. Yes, all my vehicles are registered and insured as are all of my 27 guns, however, when a person in the Commonwealth of Virginia sells a car to a private buyer there is a place on the title where you sign your right of ownership away and give it to the new owner with the vehicle. Should I as the former owner of the vehicle be held responsible if the new owner decides not to register the car or insure it and goes out and kills a person with it? I do protect myself when selling a car in the fact that I draw up a bill of sale and get the buyer to sign the document.
Guns, like vehicles, can have a fairly long life and be sold or given away many times in a span of years, I do not see how a person who makes a legal transaction to sell a gun or a car that is no longer needed or wanted can be held responsible years down the road for the gun or car that has not been in his posession for several years.
VN Vet

Richmond, VA

#180 Mar 24, 2013
The liberal progressives(Marxists) are only after the total disarming of the American people. That is the only way they can overthrow the country and the constitution. Ain't gonna happen, not on my watch.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#181 Mar 25, 2013
YES! I have been to gun shows where dealer have a sign saying, "If you can't pass an IBC, don't even ask!" Libs always declare anything short of a total ban as a joke. They are the joke.
Regards, Terri
subhuman 84 wrote:
<quoted text>Believe it. Background checks will pick up everything unless you are an illegal with fake papers and if that is the case the government should turn their focus on to controlling that issue. Leave the responsible firearm owners alone.

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