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Minnesota becomes 12th state to OK gay marriage

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“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#125 May 15, 2013
The Exterminator 6 wrote:
<quoted text>No, the question is why should gays be told that they can not change from what they are not, since many gays do not consider themselves as gay but simply that they are afflicted with a behavioral urge. Why are there over 100 individuals, I think, in California, suing the governor and state, because gays like you wish to tell them that they can not continue the therapy which they chose.
posted from news source: "The California governor and legislature are putting their own preconceived notions and political ideology ahead of children and their rights to get access to counseling that meets their needs," said Liberty Counsel in a statement.
"This law undermines parental rights. Mental health decisions should be left to the patient, the parents, and the counselors – not to the government to license one viewpoint."
There aren't a 100, but even so......all that means is certain professions want the money to torture people who can't truly change. Here are some links to folks who know that to be true:
http://www.beyondexgay.com/narratives

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/fa...

http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do...

http://www.beyondexgay.com/article/busseeapol...

Those who are Bisexual are the only folks who can choice between the genders.
Ignorance Is NOT Bliss

Tempe, AZ

#126 May 15, 2013
The Exterminator 6 wrote:
<quoted text>No, the question is why should gays be told that they can not change from what they are not, since many gays do not consider themselves as gay but simply that they are afflicted with a behavioral urge. Why are there over 100 individuals, I think, in California, suing the governor and state, because gays like you wish to tell them that they can not continue the therapy which they chose.
posted from news source: "The California governor and legislature are putting their own preconceived notions and political ideology ahead of children and their rights to get access to counseling that meets their needs," said Liberty Counsel in a statement.
"This law undermines parental rights. Mental health decisions should be left to the patient, the parents, and the counselors – not to the government to license one viewpoint."
To put it in terms that even you can understand,Reparative therapy does NOT work nor should it even be attempted as it can cause great harm to the patient! Even if as you say it does work,it's still a lie and the subjects are still gay but are simply in denial or are just being celibate but are still attracted to the same sex! Being gay is innate just as heterosexuality is! Lets see what the world wide experts have to say on this very subject from the APA!

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexual-o...

And..... http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/08/05/gay.to.s...

Finally!

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2000-0...

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#130 May 16, 2013
The Exterminator 6 wrote:
<quoted text>I won't waste my time with opinions from UC Davis. But, from your first link, I will quote from it: "Researchers are eagerly awaiting a DNA study of male siblings with at least one gay brother by Bailey and other scientists at Northwestern University due in early 2009, because it may shed light on the role genetics plays in sexual attraction."
Notice, they were waiting for the Bailey study. Well, that study got debunked along with the Hamer study. If you were paying attention, the APA has revised their statement on homosexual orientation to say that they do not no what causes it, but the primary factors are environmental and social. Now, if the APA told me that my child's eye color may be genetic, but the primary factors were environment, cold weather, and social, who his friends are, then you might have a point.
You also tried to site the Kinsey study, which has also been debunked. I do believe that I asked for peer reviewed studies, maybe I did not. Opinions don't count, especially when gays are promoting a bias opinion and pawning it off as science.
Here is the fact: Most gays do not care about facts, they only care about self serving opinions.
No, YOU don't care about facts and the APA didn't say what it is you think they have.......all anyone knows for sure is that one's sexual orientation is complex and is innate with a combination of genetics, biology, hormones and environmental factors in the mother's womb!!!

Now, the first study I gave you clearly states what they currently know and a 2009 study was suppose to be done......and no matter what you claim to know or believe......one thing is pretty clear......one's sexual orientation is not a conscious choice.

I know you won't look at the UC Davis one because you can't look at information with an open mind......and you only believe what ya want to believe......but you keep making comments without ANY evidence to back up your claims......frankly there are many Gays and Lesbians who have probably a higher education than you do and more common sense than you do as well!!!

The quote is this:
US researchers are finding common biological traits among gay men, feeding a growing consensus that sexual orientation is an inborn combination of genetic and environmental factors that largely decide a person's sexual attractions before they are born.

Such findings - including a HIGHLY anticipated study this winter - would further inform the debate over whether homosexuality is innate or a choice,

Another quote for ya:
A host of studies since the mid-1990s have found common biological traits between gay men, including left-handedness and the direction of hair whorls. The likelihood that if one identical twin is gay, the other will be also be gay is much higher than the "concordance" of homosexuality between fraternal twins, indicating that genes play a role in sexual orientation, but are not the entire cause.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/01/h...

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#131 May 16, 2013
The Exterminator 6 wrote:
<quoted text>I have an idea, first read your posts. Kinsey proposed an idea and one was that sexual orientation was fluid. That is part of the science, that supports the idea of orientation being changeable and not immutable.
Here is what he said: "Fluidity exists within sexuality and the research findings from Alfred Kinsey and his colleagues supports this belief. Developed in 1948, The Kinsey Scale (also referred to as the Kinsey Sexuality Continuum) created controversy by challenging conventional thinking regarding sexual orientation. Prior to the Kinsey Scale, the widely accepted scientific and societal understanding of sexual orientation was that a person was strictly identified as either heterosexual or homosexual."
Now, this sounds like a behavioral range continuum commonly found among addictions, such as nicotine, drugs and alcohol.
I know what the article says......I also know that being Gay or Lesbian is NOT like having an addiction to drugs, nicotine or alcohol!!!

Some people are a 100% straight and some people are a 100% Gay or Lesbian........and a lot of folks fall in the middle, which means they are not set in an either or situation and can change....ie Bisexual, Questioning, Monosexual, Pansexual and Asexual!!!
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#132 May 16, 2013
The Exterminator 6 wrote:
<quoted text>I have an idea, first read your posts. Kinsey proposed an idea and one was that sexual orientation was fluid. That is part of the science, that supports the idea of orientation being changeable and not immutable.
Here is what he said: "Fluidity exists within sexuality and the research findings from Alfred Kinsey and his colleagues supports this belief. Developed in 1948, The Kinsey Scale (also referred to as the Kinsey Sexuality Continuum) created controversy by challenging conventional thinking regarding sexual orientation. Prior to the Kinsey Scale, the widely accepted scientific and societal understanding of sexual orientation was that a person was strictly identified as either heterosexual or homosexual."
Now, this sounds like a behavioral range continuum commonly found among addictions, such as nicotine, drugs and alcohol.
You don't have a horse in the race; so what's it to you?
Far Away

Anchorage, AK

#133 May 16, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Only insecure men notch the bedpost.
Nobody denies SOME gay men are promiscuous, just like some straight boys are promiscuous.
Now, wtf is up with "there's only one gay man".
<quoted text>
Hetero male promiscuity is limited by the promiscuity of hetero females and there are far less eager hetero females than you may imaging, so your proposition that it's the same as between homo and hetero is specious at best. Homosexual hook-ups -- for lack of a better term -- appears to the casual observer to be the brass ring for all involved in that life, so promiscuity would then--again, to the casual observer--be greater among the group.
Far Away

Anchorage, AK

#134 May 16, 2013
type -- imaging = imagine

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#135 May 16, 2013
Do you just randomly pick words and blow up over them? Gays are just like straights--some are promiscuous, some are not.

HPV is rampant in the hetero community; stop lying.

where did I say gays can't feel love? Another lie. We just know that love is emotional, lust is hormonal. If you people didn't conflate the two, you might not be divorcing all the time. There would cetainly be fewer teen pregnancies.

PROVE your malarckey about "blood families"; research shows that hetero men have an innate urge to have indiscriminate sex, not "create families." If you're "blood related" to your spouse, it's called incest.

"...all you care about is 20, 30, 40 or even 50 sex partners in a given week." That's too stupid to argue. Although you seem to envy what you think our sex lives are like. Don't worry; you can eventually save enough to finally have sex with another person.
The Exterminator 6 wrote:
<quoted text>You are right, few gays are monogamous, but since most are promiscuous until gays get past that animal urge HIV and HPV will always be a high risk reality.
So, you admit that most gays are incapable of love and thus seek base animal flesh lust. You see, we heterosexuals have a predominant desire to create blood families and form partnerships which create children who are blood connected to the spouse we love. No, that makes us honest and it is sad that you had not evolved past base Saturday night animal flesh lust.
Frankly, everything about you gays is our business, if not then get on TV, on the radio and talk shows and tell all straights that you don't give a damn about our vote and that

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#136 May 16, 2013
Because "ex-gay" therapy doesn't work, and in fact usually damages the patient. Moreover, such "therapies" aren't even performed by licensed therapists; most are religious twits who think they can perform minor exorcisms. It's unethical to treat a patient for a condition not considered a disorder to begin with. Objective research indicates patients can suffer permanent damage.

The APA does not coinsider reparative therapies to be legitimate, and minors should not be subjected to them. Adults can screw themselves up if they wish.
The Exterminator 6 wrote:
<quoted text>No, the question is why should gays be told that they can not change from what they are not, since many gays do not consider themselves as gay but simply that they are afflicted with a behavioral urge. Why are there over 100 individuals, I think, in California, suing the governor and state, because gays like you wish to tell them that they can not continue the therapy which they chose.
posted from news source: "The California governor and legislature are putting their own preconceived notions and political ideology ahead of children and their rights to get access to counseling that meets their needs," said Liberty Counsel in a statement.
"This law undermines parental rights. Mental health decisions should be left to the patient, the parents, and the counselors – not to the government to license one viewpoint."

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#138 May 16, 2013
40for60 wrote:
<quoted text>
My definition would be that it is a gay guy posing as straight, or just a gay guy who twists it even more by assaulting a child.
Nope. Try again.

Here's a hint. You're currently sitting in front of a device that's connected to the Internet. You might be able to find the answer there.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#139 May 16, 2013
40for60 wrote:
<quoted text>
You were in the midst of telling me that even if you could fall in love with the opposite sex, you wouldn't. I already told you in a logically sustainable format that all are born straight. Most, like 95%-97% follow in their parents’ footsteps, then we have 3%-5% who make a decision to go against the grain. The reasons could be many, or few, but the results are the same.
Got any evidence to support your theory??

Here's my evidence that you're wrong. I was NEVER straight and I NEVER decided to be gay. I was born this way.

So much for that theory of yours, huh?

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#140 May 16, 2013
40for60 wrote:
Answer me this riddle
Why are gay numbers climbing steadily, one could almost say 'booming' in our young?.....
I'll only respond to this because the rest of your blathering is so full of false and misleading claims that there's no point.

The "gay numbers" aren't climbing steadily. What's climbing steadily is the number of people that are comfortable admitting that they ARE, in fact, gay. That's because as people become more educated and know more people that are gay, the less educated (like you) become fewer and fewer, so there's less and less reason for gay people to hide who they are.

If you would come up from you mom's basement every once in a while and get to know some people in the real world, you might get some education, too. But I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#141 May 16, 2013
The Exterminator 6 wrote:
<quoted text>Really, the vast majority are straight. That is odd....(pointless blather and wild, inaccurate assumptions deleted)
Sweetie, the grown-ups are talking. Run along back to school now and come back when you have a clue, okay?

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#142 May 16, 2013
40for60 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's the same site that proves gays are born that way.
In other words, you don't have a source, and you also don't have the balls to admit that you're just making stuff up and hoping someone buys it.

Nice.
Sgt Common Sense

Fairfield, CT

#143 May 16, 2013
Ashley Cainn wrote:
Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (NIV).
Do you believe that the sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, slanderers or swindlers should be allowed to be married?
Judge Horndog

Alpharetta, GA

#144 May 16, 2013
Far Away wrote:
<quoted text>
Hetero male promiscuity is limited by the promiscuity of hetero females and there are far less eager hetero females than you may imaging, so your proposition that it's the same as between homo and hetero is specious at best. Homosexual hook-ups -- for lack of a better term -- appears to the casual observer to be the brass ring for all involved in that life, so promiscuity would then--again, to the casual observer--be greater among the group.
casual observer = peeping tom
.
You're under arrest
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#149 May 16, 2013
The Exterminator 6 wrote:
<quoted text>Nope. You are still sick.
Here's a hint. It is your choice to get mental homosexual treatment, called conversion therapy. You might be able to live longer than the average gay male, which is 42-45 years. Just a thought.
If you're trying to force us to be like you; forget it
.
Unacceptable adult behavior is not part of gay cultural tradition; sugar
.
Your conversion 'therapy' ends where our civil rights begin
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#151 May 16, 2013
The Exterminator 6 wrote:
<quoted text>I am betting that you can find a number of straights who believe what you just posted.
The problem is that gays historically and specifically from 1973 to 1994 accepted adult love/sex with children. Oscar Wilde and Walt Whitman were gay pedophiles who wrote of these children sex loves, and many gays have their books.
Actually, the conversion therapy belongs to the 1000s of gays who seek it and complete, and your opinion ends where their civil rights begin.
You have the right to not be an ex-gay, and 1000s have enjoyed the right and joy of becoming ex-gays.
All of your old-skool stuff is from the dark ages before we were born; it doesn't even connect
.
The world we're living in today is a very different place
Natasha

Jamestown, NY

#152 May 16, 2013
wow! Exterminator really a big maroon, uh?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#153 May 16, 2013
You shouldn't argue about things you are clueless about.

1) Choices are, by definition, conscious.
2) Mental disorders have nothing to do with choices; some are genetic, some are experiential, some are caused by other factors.
3) Homosxuality is NOT a mental disorder; those who actually make such distinctions--the APA--removed it from the DSM decades ago.
4) Genetic expression differs even in idntical twins.
5) That's not what the APA says at all; they say they cannot definitively link orientation to any one factor. They dismiss the concept of being gay is a choice because research refutes it.
The Exterminator 6 wrote:
<quoted text>Give me a break about the left handedness. You say that it is complex and no one knows, but then you claim that you know that it is not a conscious choice.
Well, a choice is a choice even if unconscious. Since you admit that it is unconscious then you admit that it is a mental disorder. None of the opinions you mentioned state what you want them to say.
Again you are just lying, the likelihood of identical twins who do not share the same environment both being gay is 25%, while the likelihood of fraternal twins in the same environment both being gay is 47%. The problem with the twin study is that for it to be relevant them identical twins would have to be both gay 100% of the time.
I do believe that you should research.
You used left handedness and twins.
Statistics regarding handedness of identical and fraternal twins suggest there is no genetic contribution to handedness. About 21 percent of identical twins do not have the same hand preference, according to the Ohio State University study. Just 3.4 percent of identical twins were both left-handed, while 76 percent were both right-handed, according to Rife's study. That leaves over 20 percent of the identical twins having different handedness. Fraternal twins showed results similar to identical twins. This challenges the genetic argument for hand preference.
Read more: Left Handed Vs. Right Handed in Twins | eHow http://www.ehow.com/about_6640442_left-vs_-ri...
Here is what the APA said: "There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors."
For you smart folks. They said that they do not have a clue, or that the clues they have don't fit the gay agenda.

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