Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'bir...

Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill

There are 122 comments on the www.msnbc.msn.com story from Apr 19, 2011, titled Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill. In it, www.msnbc.msn.com reports that:

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Monday vetoed a bill that would have required President Barack Obama and other presidential candidates to prove their U.S. citizenship before their names could appear on the state's ballot.

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x-nutmegger

Phoenix, AZ

#22 Apr 19, 2011
YouHelpFixIt wrote:
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So who is supposed to check the candidates Constitutional qualifications?
The political party of the candidate is supposed to research the info before filing the person as a candidate.

The reason J. Brewer vetoed the legislation is with 50 states involved many using different nomenclatures for the same type document would be a legal challenge never ending.

Such as the Az. bill ststed the " Long Form" birth certificate is required. However Az. did away with the long form in 1997.
So inlieu of it things like baptismal and circumcision documents could be presented.

The whole idea was a unworkable can of worms. Even the Sec of State ( staunch fiscal cons.) agreed it had serious problems.
Tombstoner

AOL

#23 Apr 19, 2011
The laughing liberal wrote:
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This is a thread about the President so HIS SINKING POLL NUMBERS are relevant. Sorry. Cry again....
Its no secret that the entitlement "porkers" hate the Constitution and absolutes, unless of course, they can manipulate it to favor their agendas, and that goes for Pee Wee Empty Suit too - schooled in Marxist ideology by Frank Marshall Davis (an early mentor) and of course, Saul Alensky. So what can one expect from the Drones, a product of dumbed down PubEd, that wallow in the Jones Town trough of Glycol....<smile>
Billy Ringo

Corona, NY

#24 Apr 19, 2011
libs are scared wrote:
theI'm sure George Soros paid her very, very well to veto the bill helping keep his puppet in office!
If you can't prove what the constitution requires you should be barred from the election. States do have the right to verify anyone that appears on their ballot.
The Koch brothers paid the bull dyke to STFU !!!!!

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#25 Apr 19, 2011
Billy Ringo wrote:
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The Koch brothers paid the bull dyke to STFU !!!!!
Soros owns Obozo not the Koch brothers. Cost Soros 200 million to get him elected plus the millions from his 60 front organizations like moveon.org .

Soros isn't going to let anyone muscle in on his pocket president!
Ex-GOP Con

New York, NY

#26 Apr 19, 2011
The same people who have done it the past 235 years without question.

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The right IS becoming deranged.
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YouHelpFixIt wrote:
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So who is supposed to check the candidates Constitutional qualifications?
Billy Ringo

Corona, NY

#27 Apr 19, 2011
libs are scared wrote:
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Soros owns Obozo not the Koch brothers. Cost Soros 200 million to get him elected plus the millions from his 60 front organizations like moveon.org .
Soros isn't going to let anyone muscle in on his pocket president!
The Koch Bros. own the bully dyke governor of Aryanzona, and e very other birther / teabagger. The Kock lawyers told the bull dyke if she signed the law it would be challenged - and Aryanzona would lose.

The gov. of Wisconsin doesn't even take a crap unless the Koch Bros. tell him it's ok.

Every time Bachmann visit's the Koch's, she spends all her time on her knees !!!
Tire do f the BS

Saint Louis, MO

#28 Apr 19, 2011
Kenyan Buffoon wrote:
I'd be interested in seeing the results of polling that excluded communists, union thugs, the welfare crowd, and those that pay no fed income taxes. In other words, those that have a vested interest in our country.
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Not many have vested interest in this country anymore. That is the problem we have allowed to manny to come over here and reap the benefits of liberty! Also it does not seem like anyone wants to take the job of leadership anymore! So America is in big doodoo now.
Deo Vindice

Sacramento, CA

#29 Apr 19, 2011
The muslims, illegal or otherwise, must have gotten to her !!!
'Veto or I vee vill keeeel youuu'.

They figured once it affected the illegal Mexicans, they would be next.

Can ANYONE name one positive contribution the illegal Mexicans and illegal muslims have made in this country?

They both contribute significantly to the nation's homicide, rape, and robbery rate.
The liberals accept this as a plus.
YouHelpFixIt

Scottsdale, AZ

#30 Apr 19, 2011
x-nutmegger wrote:
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The political party of the candidate is supposed to research the info before filing the person as a candidate.
The reason J. Brewer vetoed the legislation is with 50 states involved many using different nomenclatures for the same type document would be a legal challenge never ending.
Such as the Az. bill ststed the " Long Form" birth certificate is required. However Az. did away with the long form in 1997.
So inlieu of it things like baptismal and circumcision documents could be presented.
The whole idea was a unworkable can of worms. Even the Sec of State ( staunch fiscal cons.) agreed it had serious problems.
No party affilliation is required to run for President, so that answer simply does not work.

Personaly I would say that the State Board of Elections is ultimately responsible, but that a State law could assign responsibility, establish a procedure, and set clear criteria for making the determination. This law was doing just that. several other states have already enacted simmilar laws.
YouHelpFixIt

Scottsdale, AZ

#31 Apr 19, 2011
Ex-GOP Con wrote:
The same people who have done it the past 235 years without question.
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The right IS becoming deranged.
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Nobody has been doing it. If you disagree then tell me who did.

“Freedom Demands Responsibility”

Since: Aug 09

21st Century

#32 Apr 19, 2011
WeTheSheeple wrote:
OMG, the birthers are going to start attacking her now!
I thought she was one of those nutbags!!
Woof, Sheep, Gov. Jan Brewer is one smart Governor. She knows that Obama is the weakest possible Democrat Candidate for President, and she doesn't to provide the Democrats with an easy way to replace him. I agree. Let him run on his record, he will be easy to defeat. Obama will make Jimma Carter look good. Who needs the birth certificate issue. It would only provide him cover, he would play it as "racism".
x-nutmegger

Phoenix, AZ

#33 Apr 19, 2011
YouHelpFixIt wrote:
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No party affilliation is required to run for President, so that answer simply does not work.
Personaly I would say that the State Board of Elections is ultimately responsible, but that a State law could assign responsibility, establish a procedure, and set clear criteria for making the determination. This law was doing just that. several other states have already enacted simmilar laws.
The party submits the paperwork as a candidate even such as Perot and Wallace create a party organizatioin. Once the papers are filed and recorded a candidate get on the ballot considering it takes so many signing petitions to get a name on the ballot and the party is the mechanism to do so.

“Kenyan-born Obama=Antichrist”

Since: Sep 09

Casper, WY

#34 Apr 19, 2011
WeTheSheeple wrote:
OMG, the birthers are going to start attacking her now!
I thought she was one of those nutbags!!
Like ALL Republicans in Congress she too is in the tank for Obama. Paul Ryan is going to give Obama a real shellacking which he couldn't do to Hellary. Hate to say "I told you so" but he who laughs last, laughs best. My message of the last 2&1/2-YRS has not changed. OBAMA was born a Brit. Stannie Obama was with her new husband who was so proud of this white skank visiting there in Kenya during summer break 1961. She was not allowed back on the 4-engine propjob due to the late stage of her pregnancy. Then while at the beach her water broke and she went into labor. This required the use of the hospital in Mombassa, Kenya where Grandma Obama & a cousin both visited the new mother and her newborn mullato son. A copy of THAT original Birth Certificate was smuggled out of Kenya in 2008 at great expense and danger. A later 1964 Kenyan "Registration -of-Live-Birth" has also been located for Obama and was likely used for passport, divorce and/or adoption proceedings. It is very likely the "birth certificate" Obama mentioned having on page 26 of his autobiography "Dreams from My Father".

Since: Dec 07

Spring, TX

#35 Apr 19, 2011
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
LOL, when the queen of the crazies is sensible enough to avoid that political pool of sewage that all the other unpatriotic right-wingers are splashing around in you know that 2012 is going to be another landslide victory for Barack Obama.
The only hope that they have is to keep the President off the ballot; but the Hell that will rain down on the right if the try it will all but completely destroy that political joke of a Party.
This is just too much fun.
Enjoy it while you can, birth certificate or not, he'll be sent back to Chicago in Nov 2012. Maybe he can go back to community organizing!

Since: Dec 07

Spring, TX

#36 Apr 19, 2011
Billy Ringo wrote:
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The Koch Bros. own the bully dyke governor of Aryanzona, and e very other birther / teabagger. The Kock lawyers told the bull dyke if she signed the law it would be challenged - and Aryanzona would lose.
The gov. of Wisconsin doesn't even take a crap unless the Koch Bros. tell him it's ok.
Every time Bachmann visit's the Koch's, she spends all her time on her knees !!!
Your eyes are brown you're so full of crap! LOL

Since: Dec 07

Spring, TX

#37 Apr 19, 2011
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
LOL, when the queen of the crazies is sensible enough to avoid that political pool of sewage that all the other unpatriotic right-wingers are splashing around in you know that 2012 is going to be another landslide victory for Barack Obama.
The only hope that they have is to keep the President off the ballot; but the Hell that will rain down on the right if the try it will all but completely destroy that political joke of a Party.
This is just too much fun.
We hate to spoil your fun, but....

In several states Obama won in 2008, worth 155 Electoral College votes, his approval numbers indicate he would lose. With Obama’s winning percentage over John McCain listed first those states are:
States nobama won in 2008 and his approval ratings now! LOL


Colorado:
2008: 54/45 approve/disapprove
Now: 47/52 worth 9 Electoral Votes

Florida: 51/48 approve/disapprove
42/58 worth 27 Electoral Votes

Indiana: 49.8/48.8 approve/disapprove
43/56 worth 11 Electoral Votes

Iowa: 54/44 approve/disapprove
44/54 worth 7 Electoral Votes

Michigan: 57/41 approve/disapprove
48/50 worth 17 Electoral Votes

Nevada: 55/43 approve/disapprove 45/50 worth 5 Electoral Votes

North Carolina: 49.7/49.4 approve/disapprove
48/52 worth 15 Electoral Votes

Ohio: 51/47 approve/disapprove
46/54 worth 20 Electoral Votes

Pennsylvania: 54/44 approve/disapprove
46/53 worth 21 Electoral Votes

Virginia: 53/46 approve/disapprove
44/54 worth 13 Electoral Votes

Wisconsin: 56/42 approve/disapprove
46/54 worth 10 Electoral Votes

Turn out the lights, the party's over!
Far Away

Anchorage, AK

#38 Apr 19, 2011
The laughing liberal wrote:
Sounds like they need to rewrite the law. Allowing "early baptism circumcision certificates" in place of a legitimate BC sounds foolish and certainly would have been tried.
Yep; it might be difficult for a female candidate to produce that one. Oh, wait... it would be impossible--no equal protection.

“Kenyan-born Obama=Antichrist”

Since: Sep 09

Casper, WY

#39 Apr 19, 2011
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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Enjoy it while you can, birth certificate or not, he'll be sent back to Chicago in Nov 2012. Maybe he can go back to community organizing!
The Democrats now have to scramble to put Hellary on the ticket BECAUSE There has been an enormous amount of misinformation with regard to Obama's life documents from well-meaning grassroots activists (some of whom are too trusting or inexperienced to know how to vet information properly) to media personalities (who are often sloppy and/or ignorant of the facts involved) to agenda-driven snake oil salesmen (who are using grassroots ire to fundraise or sell their books) to outright disinformation supplied by the Obama Administration itself. But just because there are many people who confuse the life documents issue doesn't mean there isn't one.
In fact, there are two. For over two years, I have been privy to private investigators' files, have seen private investigations of other private investigations, have done my own research -- and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are two crucial problems with President Obama's life documents. First, the registration number on Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" (which, as Trump recently explained to an incredulous Meredith Vieira, is not a long form birth certificate) is out of sequence to other birth certificates issued on the very next day in Hawaii to a pair of twins named Nordyke (certifications of live birth and birth certificates carry the same registration number).
Second, according to a private investigator, Susan Daniels, whose work was validated by at least two other investigators I'm aware of, the Social Security number that Obama used for approximately 25 years was issued with a Connecticut-based number, though neither Obama nor anyone in his family lived in that state at any point during their lifetimes. from www.AmericanThinker.com

Since: Sep 08

Viva Madeira

#40 Apr 19, 2011
Kudos to Gov. Brewer for her clear, level headed decision. It is doubly noteworthy since she went against the wishes of a substantial number of people within her own party.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#41 Apr 19, 2011
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>The Democrats now have to scramble to put Hellary on the ticket BECAUSE There has been an enormous amount of misinformation with regard to Obama's life documents from well-meaning grassroots activists (some of whom are too trusting or inexperienced to know how to vet information properly) to media personalities (who are often sloppy and/or ignorant of the facts involved) to agenda-driven snake oil salesmen (who are using grassroots ire to fundraise or sell their books) to outright disinformation supplied by the Obama Administration itself. But just because there are many people who confuse the life documents issue doesn't mean there isn't one.
In fact, there are two. For over two years, I have been privy to private investigators' files, have seen private investigations of other private investigations, have done my own research -- and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are two crucial problems with President Obama's life documents. First, the registration number on Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" (which, as Trump recently explained to an incredulous Meredith Vieira, is not a long form birth certificate) is out of sequence to other birth certificates issued on the very next day in Hawaii to a pair of twins named Nordyke (certifications of live birth and birth certificates carry the same registration number).
Second, according to a private investigator, Susan Daniels, whose work was validated by at least two other investigators I'm aware of, the Social Security number that Obama used for approximately 25 years was issued with a Connecticut-based number, though neither Obama nor anyone in his family lived in that state at any point during their lifetimes. from www.AmericanThinker.com
There is no doubt he has problems and would likely not be eligeable to be president, otherwise he would clear all this up!

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