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In America, atheists are still in the closet

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SupaAFC

Epsom, UK

#44753 Dec 14, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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No one said you would be able to admit you were wrong, SuperFAG.
So says the person who has never admitted to being wrong, ever, and resorts to ad homs when backed into a corner.

Case in point: now.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Review: Macmillan APPOINTED by Elizabeth, no election, none, WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Your problem, Barefoot, is that when you find a unique case you run to the thread and trumpet victory without looking for contradictions to your argument.

When JFK died, he was replaced by Johnson. No election, none, WAHHHHHHH!

When Nixon resigned, he was replaced by Ford. No election, none, WAHHHHH!

There are two presidential examples from your own country which were just an undemocratically-elected as Macmillan.

Here is your cue to start special pleading even though it follows your exact same logic. Go ahead, manchild; refuse to accept that you are wrong again.

Since: Feb 11

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#44754 Dec 14, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
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So says the person who has never admitted to being wrong, ever, and resorts to ad homs when backed into a corner.
HAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA HAH!

You need more stones, SuperFag?

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#44755 Dec 14, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
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So says the person who has never admitted to being wrong, ever, and resorts to ad homs when backed into a corner.
Case in point: now.
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Your problem, Barefoot, is that when you find a unique case you run to the thread and trumpet victory without looking for contradictions to your argument.
When JFK died, he was replaced by Johnson. No election, none, WAHHHHHHH!
When Nixon resigned, he was replaced by Ford. No election, none, WAHHHHH!
There are two presidential examples from your own country which were just an undemocratically-elected as Macmillan.
Here is your cue to start special pleading even though it follows your exact same logic. Go ahead, manchild; refuse to accept that you are wrong again.
one could make the case that Johnson (both LBJ and Andrew) were hoisted to the Office of the Presidency democratically, as both were elected to the Vice Presidency....

However, your point about Ford is true in a sense, as he was selected by Nixon after Agnew resigned. However, he was confirmed by Congress, so there was some semblance of Democracy......

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#44756 Dec 14, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
Your problem, Barefoot, is that when you find a unique case
Not a unique case, SuperFag: a recent example.

I have offered you another case of the UK monarch APPOINTING a PM who did not go through the "election" process.

Putting aside you skipped over the FACT that Macmillian did not go through the election process: as I said.

I provide another example and you stop posting on this thread.

Since I continue to refute things that you post and you can't seem to acknowledge them...

Seems fair to me...

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#44757 Dec 14, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
When JFK died, he was replaced by Johnson. No election, none, WAHHHHHHH!
Johnson was elected as Vice President.

When Americans vote for POTUS & VPOTUS, they do so knowing the role of the VPOTUS will step in if need be should the POTUS die or- as in Nixon's case- resigns or displaced.

Do you have a case of a POTUS who was appointed and not elected?

I'll wait.

But in the meantime, let me give you a list- the entire list, of prime ministers who were elected to that office in the UK:

.

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#44758 Dec 14, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
There are two presidential examples from your own country which were just an undemocratically-elected as Macmillan.
Thanks for confirming that Macmillian was not elected democratically... or any other way, since he wasn't elected he was appointed, as are all (each and every) prime minister in the UK.

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#44759 Dec 14, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Johnson was elected as Vice President.
When Americans vote for POTUS & VPOTUS, they do so knowing the role of the VPOTUS will step in if need be should the POTUS die or- as in Nixon's case- resigns or displaced.
Do you have a case of a POTUS who was appointed and not elected?
I'll wait.
But in the meantime, let me give you a list- the entire list, of prime ministers who were elected to that office in the UK:
.
Gerald Ford is an example who was appointed to the office of Vice President by Richard Nixon after Spiro Agnew resigned

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#44760 Dec 14, 2012
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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Gerald Ford is an example who was appointed to the office of Vice President by Richard Nixon after Spiro Agnew resigned
One. In two hundred forty years or so.

And of course he was elected into the office he held before he was nominated by Nixon and then elected by majority vote of Congress- both houses- by members all of whom are elected into office.

Compare to: appointed by a monarch who can pick whomever she/he chooses with or without approval or recommendation of any elected official of the government.
top atheist

Des Plaines, IL

#44761 Dec 14, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Of course, some of us are offended as Americans, not as Christians or atheists or Jews or Muslims.
Im offended as a non smelling human that you smell that nasty sir.Please clean up your act man.Wipe your self correctly and take a darn shower!!!!

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#44762 Dec 14, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Johnson was elected as Vice President.
When Americans vote for POTUS & VPOTUS, they do so knowing the role of the VPOTUS will step in if need be should the POTUS die or- as in Nixon's case- resigns or displaced.
Do you have a case of a POTUS who was appointed and not elected?
I'll wait.
But in the meantime, let me give you a list- the entire list, of prime ministers who were elected to that office in the UK:
.
Gerald Ford. He was Nixon's VP when Nixon stepped down, but was not on the ticket when Nixon ran in the election (Spiro Agnew was). Agnew stepped down, Ford was appointed, and then became president when Nixon stepped down.

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#44763 Dec 14, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
Gerald Ford..
Do try to keep up.

Since: Feb 11

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#44764 Dec 14, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
Ford was appointed, and then became president when Nixon stepped down.
Not appointed.

Nominated (by Nixon) and the elected.

You left out: Congress followed the nomination by a vote in both Houses.

As provided by the US Constitution.
SupaAFC

Epsom, UK

#44765 Dec 14, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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HAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA HAH!
You need more stones, SuperFag?
You do realise that "HAHAHAHAHA" simply proves my point that you have nothing to back your claims, right?

Tell us again about your double standards regarding taking British law literally yet ignoring the Constitutional rules regarding the Electoral College.
SupaAFC

Epsom, UK

#44766 Dec 14, 2012
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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one could make the case that Johnson (both LBJ and Andrew) were hoisted to the Office of the Presidency democratically, as both were elected to the Vice Presidency....
Of course, but by Barefoot's logic since VP candidates are selected by the presidential candidate, and not the public, then he was undemocratically elected both as VP and president post-JFK.
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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However, your point about Ford is true in a sense, as he was selected by Nixon after Agnew resigned. However, he was confirmed by Congress, so there was some semblance of Democracy......
Barefoot goes at pains to portray his country's politics as democratic and ours, the UK's, as undemocratic. Thus due to Ford not being democratically selected in any sense, the people had no say in his selection.

Also, the Electoral College decide the presidential race anyway. I know as much as you do that they are nothing other than ceremony, but according to Barefoot's logic, this is a literal, pratical election process.

That is why he requires special pleading.

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#44767 Dec 14, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
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Of course, but by Barefoot's logic since VP candidates
Of course, SuperFag can never go by what I actually say- even wioth DOZENS of comments to choose from- but what SuperFag has to construe as to what I must have meant based on what he could understand.

Even when he cannot bring himself to understand basics, e.g., the UK is a monarchy, not a democracy.

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#44768 Dec 14, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
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You do realise that "HAHAHAHAHA" simply proves my point that you have nothing to back your claims, right?
You do understand HAHAHAHAHA means I am laughing at you- something you should have picked up on by now?

My "claim" was (most recent claim) that Macmillian was appointed prime minister even without a (supporting) vote in the House of Commons?

And if you want to refute my assertion: all you need to do is show us the results of the election?

Since: Feb 11

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#44769 Dec 14, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
Barefoot goes at pains to portray his country's politics as democratic and ours, the UK's, as undemocratic.
Actually, no pain is involved: I display the facts as they are.

The United KING_dom is a monarchy.

This is a fact.

Americans ELECT their head of state; subjects of the monarchy do not.

These are facts.

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#44770 Dec 14, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
Also, the Electoral College decide the presidential race anyway.
The electors in the Electoral College are elected.

Elected.

They then ELECT the POTUS.

Elect.

The prime minister of the UK: appointed by the monarch.

Since: Feb 11

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#44771 Dec 14, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
Thus due to Ford not being democratically selected in any sense, the people had no say in his selection.
Ford was nominated by the democratically elected president to fill a vacancy.

His nomination was than approved by democratically elected senators and Representatives. This was done by vote: The United States Senate voted 92 to 3; the House confirmed Ford by a vote of 387 to 35.

VOTE.

In the history of time, here is the list of the prime ministers who have been elected to the office in the United KING_dom:

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Anonymous

UK

#44772 Dec 14, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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I guess you aren't an American.
When did you move here? Help me understand so I can better address this 'question'- from where did you move?
Let me erect my religious symbol next to yours- some... municipalities... try to 'offset' the objections of citizens have to religious iconography by making space for 'everyone', so you put up your cross, and next to it... I put up my swastika.
Can you just go on with your life knowing that a symbol for something you don't believe in sitting on the lawn of the local municipal building isn't changing your life in the least?
PS: I would object in either case.
A cross and a swastiki, the national symbols of America eh

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