In America, atheists are still in the...

In America, atheists are still in the closet

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#3452 Apr 26, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
If it hadn't been for religion (excluding atheism), mankind might not even be here anymore.
If it hadn't been for evolution, mankind definitely would not be here.

What use is religion? Nobody needs it.
HATE

Owatonna, MN

#3453 Apr 26, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
<quoted text>
With a bunch of ignorant sloths running around confusing King James for Henry VIII and thinking they were born with sensibility not nurtured from their Christian predecessors, it's no wonder you have these opinions.
So I confused the two Kings,....Bothr e-wrote the buybull and changed it for there wants.....HOW MANY OTHER TIMES DID IT GET CHANGED FOR THE WANTS OF A RULER OR THE CHURCH?????

Your ignorant if you think the buybull says the same thing today as when it was first wrote down back in the time the buybull was made up....And also it was a bunch of stone age uneducated people who wrote this down.....I dont put any stock in what they wrote to begin with much less the twisted form we see today..

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#3454 Apr 26, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
You're not the first atheist who's felt the need to declare how kind they are to others.

And if those evil Christians are not kind and helpful to others, then why is it that they give more than 350% more to charities than you atheist liberals do?
LOL. So, you throw in how kind you are at precisely the time when you berate others for doing do?

You're not the first theist to lie about charitable giving or to be a hypocrite with a double standard. It's remarkable how you market this stuff. You don't have a prayer. You are as effective as a publicly drunken alcoholic staggering door to door while stinking of booze, trying to sell people on the virtues of alcoholism.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#3455 Apr 26, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
<quoted text>
You're thinking of Henry VIII, who did not have hundreds of linguists and academics cross checking each other's works under penalty of death should they fool with it, like James did. It was not re-translated; it was the first English translation from the old languages. As to the "changes" you likewise erroneously represent, all of the first two King James versions are traceable to the original language precisely. "Peter" thus carries to "Petros", et. al. etc.
Sorry, but you are simply wrong here. First, the KJV was NOT the first translation into english from the older languages. The previous translation was prefered by many Puritans, but was not as eloquent as the KJV. Neither did it support the divine right of kings in the way that James desired. Also, James hand-picked those who would 'translate' in a way that supported his policies (towards Puritans and Presbyterians).

A good book for you to read:'God's Secretaries' by Adam Nicolson. It goes into the history and the personalities of the translators of the KJV.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#3456 Apr 26, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL. Um - er - RNA viruses?
I agree that there is nothing in HTS's posts that would suggest that he is a physician except one thing, and that was a word he used in one of his posts that I've never see used anywhere but by other physicians: "armamentarium" http://www.topix.com/forum/who/mitt-romney/TE...
I heard that word plenty in my education, training and practice, but nowhere else. Maybe I'm mistaken, and the word is used more widely,but I think that had I not been in medicine, I think that would likely never have heard the word. Is anybody else posting here familiar with the word (theists needn't bother answering; I don't believe you).
Sadly, the rest of his posting does not rule out "physician" to me, except for the fact that pathologists are usually among the smarter physicians. This one writes more like an orthopedist.
I have come across it before, but I also read medical books for fun.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#3457 Apr 26, 2012
EBeasley wrote:
How can you know someone is dishonest unless you know very well they know the truth (at least what you think is the truth)?
HTS can be dishonest for refusing to know the truth, for making claims of fact that are guesses, and for misrepresenting his expertise.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#3458 Apr 26, 2012
HATE wrote:
<quoted text>
So I confused the two Kings,....Bothr e-wrote the buybull and changed it for there wants.....HOW MANY OTHER TIMES DID IT GET CHANGED FOR THE WANTS OF A RULER OR THE CHURCH?????
Your ignorant if you think the buybull says the same thing today as when it was first wrote down back in the time the buybull was made up....And also it was a bunch of stone age uneducated people who wrote this down.....I dont put any stock in what they wrote to begin with much less the twisted form we see today..
Studying, verifying, cross-checking, taking it back to the original languages is what the academic of Theology has always been, which in turn has nurtured the liberal educations of subsequent academics, including the distortions and blocked arrogances theologians have sadly been unwilling to counter in this age of stagnant "dope gives me insight and finality."
HATE

Owatonna, MN

#3459 Apr 26, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
<quoted text>
Studying, verifying, cross-checking, taking it back to the original languages is what the academic of Theology has always been, which in turn has nurtured the liberal educations of subsequent academics, including the distortions and blocked arrogances theologians have sadly been unwilling to counter in this age of stagnant "dope gives me insight and finality."
No matter what you say your religion is dying...As science advances we no longer need to say----" I DONT GET THIS SO POOOF GOD DID IT"...We can think and reason and figure out that threw science and critical thinking we can prove most of what religion always said god did...

I dont get that last line of your statement.....Is that an attack on marijuana????? Or??
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#3460 Apr 26, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but you are simply wrong here. First, the KJV was NOT the first translation into english from the older languages. The previous translation was prefered by many Puritans, but was not as eloquent as the KJV. Neither did it support the divine right of kings in the way that James desired. Also, James hand-picked those who would 'translate' in a way that supported his policies (towards Puritans and Presbyterians).
A good book for you to read:'God's Secretaries' by Adam Nicolson. It goes into the history and the personalities of the translators of the KJV.
I stand corrected and should have said "the first dependable English translation. Critics can take their emotional considerations of King James' actual behavior and wants, but cannot deny the academic excellence of the translators, nor their commitment to veracity. To wit: There is a second preface to the King James written not to the King, but to the reader. It is available on the web, but is not in any of the recent printed versions. It alone attests to the phenomenal excellence of the translators, but also to their honest warnings to readers to careful study. It also shows the real influence of their thoughts and influence on subsequent liberal Christian education giving you and others your actual inclination to scholastic inclinations, barbarically anarchistic, or not.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#3461 Apr 26, 2012
Atheist Liberal wrote:
Do you really think that a bunch of old white atheists would ever give us a document like the Constitution?
You can't steal our achievements. The US Constitution is one of the great gifts of secular humanism to man. Theists would never have come up with that. It allows freedom from religion, which violates almost half of the Ten Commandments.

You can't steal our achievements. Human rights, freedom and democracy are liberal secular values, completely foreign to Christianity.

You can't steal our achievements. We'll call you on it and reveal the poverty of your Christian ethics in so doing, as I did earlier today, and again now.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#3462 Apr 26, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't steal our achievements. The US Constitution is one of the great gifts of secular humanism to man. Theists would never have come up with that. It allows freedom from religion, which violates almost half of the Ten Commandments.
You can't steal our achievements. Human rights, freedom and democracy are liberal secular values, completely foreign to Christianity.
You can't steal our achievements. We'll call you on it and reveal the poverty of your Christian ethics in so doing, as I did earlier today, and again now.
Call them secularists, atheists, Socialists, Fabians, Communists, Marxists, what have you, but any and all moral and ethical stances they fake are derived from Judeo/Christian influence. The Christian inclination of liberal education and thought pervades early America, no better illustrated by the across the board rejection of such little recreant tyrants as Thomas Paine. All American schools and universities were originally Christian. The only actual accomplishments of atheists and their ilk is the destruction of educational standards toward tyrannical arrogance and an increased destruction of freedom and liberty themselves. Internationally and nationally, atheists and their political realities have re-enslaved mankind.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#3463 Apr 26, 2012
Atheist Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
In point of fact you're full if crap. The Constitution is built upon UNALIENABLE RIGHTS. In other words, God given rights. Starting to see now? Of course not.
Secularists invented those rights. Your god/bible never heard of due process.

Don't try to steal our secular moral theory. It makes you look bad when you get exposed - the third time today, I think.

You even stole the commandment to not steal.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#3464 Apr 26, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Secularists invented those rights. Your god/bible never heard of due process.
Don't try to steal our secular moral theory. It makes you look bad when you get exposed - the third time today, I think.
You even stole the commandment to not steal.
It's hard to fathom how deluded you people are. There is absolutely no, zip, nada morality that can be established by atheists. Judeo/Christian influence introduced for the first time in human history unique concepts of legal due process, etc., without which they wouldn't exist.'Out of the mouthes of two, or three witnesses, a matter is established.' That goes back to early Israel and existed never before...
HATE

Owatonna, MN

#3465 Apr 26, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
<quoted text>
It's hard to fathom how deluded you people are. There is absolutely no, zip, nada morality that can be established by atheists. Judeo/Christian influence introduced for the first time in human history unique concepts of legal due process, etc., without which they wouldn't exist.'Out of the mouthes of two, or three witnesses, a matter is established.' That goes back to early Israel and existed never before...
Do you know that in ancient Greece and ancient Asia WITHOUT ANY JUDEO CHRISTIAN RELIGION THEY HAD LAWS AND MORALS THAT MADE MURDER AND RAPE AND STEALING ILLEGAL AND BAD.....

Get over your arrongance to think that only christains have moral....WHAT AN ARRONGANT PRICK YOU ARE...

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#3466 Apr 26, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL. Um - er - RNA viruses?
I agree that there is nothing in HTS's posts that would suggest that he is a physician except one thing, and that was a word he used in one of his posts that I've never see used anywhere but by other physicians: "armamentarium" http://www.topix.com/forum/who/mitt-romney/TE...
I heard that word plenty in my education, training and practice, but nowhere else. Maybe I'm mistaken, and the word is used more widely,but I think that had I not been in medicine, I think that would likely never have heard the word. Is anybody else posting here familiar with the word (theists needn't bother answering; I don't believe you).
Sadly, the rest of his posting does not rule out "physician" to me, except for the fact that pathologists are usually among the smarter physicians. This one writes more like an orthopedist.
22 years in respiratory therapy and I've never heard that word

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#3467 Apr 26, 2012
HATE wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you know that in ancient Greece and ancient Asia WITHOUT ANY JUDEO CHRISTIAN RELIGION THEY HAD LAWS AND MORALS THAT MADE MURDER AND RAPE AND STEALING ILLEGAL AND BAD.....
Get over your arrongance to think that only christains have moral....WHAT AN ARRONGANT PRICK YOU ARE...
heck, even the wolves that i share my land with have a moral code. Humans should get over themselves.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#3468 Apr 26, 2012
HATE wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you know that in ancient Greece and ancient Asia WITHOUT ANY JUDEO CHRISTIAN RELIGION THEY HAD LAWS AND MORALS THAT MADE MURDER AND RAPE AND STEALING ILLEGAL AND BAD.....
Get over your arrongance to think that only christains have moral....WHAT AN ARRONGANT PRICK YOU ARE...
Non-Judeo/Christians don't have morality, but only immorality based on how Judeo/Christian standards have been maintained. Judeo influences in human thinking link to original guidance from a Creator. They predate ancient Greece and ancient Asia. The immoral distortions of original Truth in ancient Greece included a vicious application of allowance of murdering slaves and women. Even the Code of Amraphel (Kharmmurabi) post dates Judaic adherence to Laws going all the way back to the first Adam created for agriculture and animal husbandry.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#3469 Apr 26, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
<quoted text>
It's hard to fathom how deluded you people are. There is absolutely no, zip, nada morality that can be established by atheists. Judeo/Christian influence introduced for the first time in human history unique concepts of legal due process, etc., without which they wouldn't exist.'Out of the mouthes of two, or three witnesses, a matter is established.' That goes back to early Israel and existed never before...
You forgot those other morals though. Christians do it quite often. You know, those moral laws that command you to stone unruly children amd gays and adulterers and people that work on the sabbath. So, do you think that owning slaves is more moral than coveting your neighbor? The god you worship certainly does. I mean, the stupid fu(k didn't even put slavery in the top ten. Don't even try to take the moral high ground here, my frienf.

“The eye has it...”

Since: Jan 12

Russell's teapot.

#3470 Apr 26, 2012
EBeasley wrote:
<quoted text>
You just revealed more ignorance there. You clearly know nothing about the medical profession. And a pathologist is a doctor's doctor, highly specialized. I have at least 10 MD's in my family and they all support what HTS is saying. What speciality is your friend? You had better stick to your own narrow specialty (which is based on false science by the way) That's ilke getting a doctorate in para-psychology .
At least 10 MD's in your family, huh?

Why is it every Christian knows more atheists than I do, or more Biologists than work at any given institution, more Doctors than work at a Hospital, more lawyers than work at a thriving practice, etc...

No matter the conversation, if its an area of contention with a Christian, and it would help them make a point, and say the focus was on digging ditches, you can almost bet at some point a Christian will come back with a retort similar to:

<Christian> "look, I personally know 29 ditch diggers, and they all say evolution is a farce!'

Since: Mar 09

Hidden

#3471 Apr 26, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
<quoted text>
Non-Judeo/Christians don't have morality, but only immorality based on how Judeo/Christian standards have been maintained. Judeo influences in human thinking link to original guidance from a Creator. They predate ancient Greece and ancient Asia. The immoral distortions of original Truth in ancient Greece included a vicious application of allowance of murdering slaves and women. Even the Code of Amraphel (Kharmmurabi) post dates Judaic adherence to Laws going all the way back to the first Adam created for agriculture and animal husbandry.
So the toltecs, the Mayans, the Egyptials, the Cets none of them had morality or laws... got it.

The bible allows for the beating and killing of slaves...

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