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Sandy Hook families bring emotion to gun debate

There are 298 comments on the Athens Banner-Herald story from Apr 6, 2013, titled Sandy Hook families bring emotion to gun debate. In it, Athens Banner-Herald reports that:

Bringing their emotional advocacy to the national gun debate, families of those killed in the Connecticut school shooting are appearing with President Barack Obama and walking the halls of Congress to plead for stricter regulations.

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Robert

Lithia Springs, GA

#22 Apr 6, 2013
Marichu wrote:
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Have you actually read what these parents have requested??? Not one of them is advocating repealing the second amendment.
From the article:
It (the parents) asks them to vote to expand background checks for gun purchases, strengthen laws against gun trafficking and ban ammunition magazines with more than 10 rounds.
Where do you see “The answer is not by disarming a law abiding citizenry that is merely looking protect themselves from those that prey on society.”?
You need not fear these grief-stricken individuals and the meager requests they’ve made.
Your misguided, unreasonable fear would be comical if it wasn’t so tragic.
So you think if the guy had to reload every 10 rounds instead of 30 it would make a difference, he had no resistance, there was nobody at the school with a gun to stop him, soon as someone with a gun show up to stop him he shot himself, it was the presence of a gun which stopped the killing you nimrod not the size of his magazine and his mother who bought the gun went through a background check, you anti gun nuts are just fighting windmills because you feel you have to do something even if it does not work.

It was already illegal to have a gun with a 30 round magazine in the school.

Since: Sep 08

Viva Madeira

#23 Apr 6, 2013
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>The legislation they favor puts the ball in the criminal's court.
Few people would think that Sandy Hook was not a very sad day but one must not lose sight on what is and what is not effective solutions.
Their emotion is understandable to say the least but I am not my brothers keeper and my rights shall not be lost to knee jerk reactionary legislation which is a clear and present danger to our Constitution and the very foundation of our republic.
The legislations they are advocating are minor restrictions. Better comprehensive background checks, a data base that states could access, strengthening laws against gun trafficking, are not such arduous prerequisites for purchasing firearms.
You need not be your “brother’s keeper”. Following or not following the teachings of Jesus Christ is a personal choice protected by the Constitution.
I wouldn’t call it a knee jerk reaction, more like a heart and soul reaction.
Yes I know the sky is falling, and these restrictions will bring about the collapse of the United States and the Constitution or maybe not.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#24 Apr 6, 2013
Gun Control Does Not Work wrote:
<quoted text>
There seems to be 11 or 12 vocal anti gun families. I would bet the ranch on they were anti gun before SH also. I wonder why we don't hear too much from the Dad of one victim that said just enforce the current laws and nothing else needed. This infringement of the 2A was based on emotion and the socialist liberal anti gunners seizing a tragedy for their benefit. Based on two recent Supreme Court cases most if not all of this restrictive legislation will be overturned.
The reason we haven't heard more from the dad who is content with current laws is that we already heard his position, and none of the others seem to agree. What would you have him do for an encore, shoot a few doe-eyed deer?

As for the rest of your partisan diatribe, human emotion is all that keeps us from being tree stumps, and is often a valuable aid in making decisions. Regarding your precious second amendment rights, background checks and other common sense parameters do nothing to abrogate those rights.

What keeping guns out of the hands of maniacs has to do with socialism, I've yet to figure out.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#25 Apr 6, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>What is despicable is your apparent willingness to let other families suffer the same fate.
Larry, where is your outrage for the other 99.8% of children killed by abuse, drowning, cars, poisons? Why would you ignore them? The death of a child is tragic, why would you focus all your energy on the tiniest number? Is a child that is shot more important than a child that is beat to death? You do this for politics, that, is truly despicable.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#26 Apr 6, 2013
RustyS wrote:
<quoted text>
Larry, where is your outrage for the other 99.8% of children killed by abuse, drowning, cars, poisons? Why would you ignore them? The death of a child is tragic, why would you focus all your energy on the tiniest number? Is a child that is shot more important than a child that is beat to death? You do this for politics, that, is truly despicable.
What rubbish, Rustoleum. Youn have the f''ing nerve to assert that I don't care about children dying from other causes because I'm addressing the issue at hand, that "tiniest number" who were torn to pieces by a maniac with enough firepower to pump 11 bullets into each kid? You have descended to the bottom of the barrel, and should be ashamed. You are a truly disgusting piece of work.

Since: Sep 08

Viva Madeira

#27 Apr 6, 2013
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>So it is OK if just 10 children were killed ?
No number is acceptable. But at least, if such an incident occurs again, the bodies of their children should be easier to identify.

This would be classified as a “compromise” on the part of the parents.

Since: Sep 08

Viva Madeira

#28 Apr 6, 2013
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>So you think if the guy had to reload every 10 rounds instead of 30 it would make a difference, he had no resistance, there was nobody at the school with a gun to stop him, soon as someone with a gun show up to stop him he shot himself, it was the presence of a gun which stopped the killing you nimrod not the size of his magazine and his mother who bought the gun went through a background check, you anti gun nuts are just fighting windmills because you feel you have to do something even if it does not work.
It was already illegal to have a gun with a 30 round magazine in the school.
Schools are considered gun free zones, so it is illegal to carry a gun onto a school.
myth

Francesville, IN

#29 Apr 6, 2013
hmmm . So . It is fine that USA murders innocent children with drones as long as they do it overseas ? Obama joked about drone attacks . The Zionist Jews are behind this . Just as they are behind 9/11 WWII WWI and every other war . The al-Saud Family are evil . Now Ahmedinejab the Iran Jew is calling for Rothschild central bank and POOF there goes the free world . Since 9/11 there has not been a single murder of a Zionist Jew . Not a single one . TRhey control the military the police the courts the rest of the gov . And YOU the sheeple sit back and bitch and moan. Never do you do anything else . United you should Divided You fell . hand
Gun Control Does Not Work

United States

#30 Apr 6, 2013
Marichu wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you actually read what these parents have requested??? Not one of them is advocating repealing the second amendment.
From the article:
It (the parents) asks them to vote to expand background checks for gun purchases, strengthen laws against gun trafficking and ban ammunition magazines with more than 10 rounds.
Where do you see “The answer is not by disarming a law abiding citizenry that is merely looking protect themselves from those that prey on society.”?
You need not fear these grief-stricken individuals and the meager requests they’ve made.
Your misguided, unreasonable fear would be comical if it wasn’t so tragic.
Do you really think that Lanza would have loaded only 10 rounds in his magazine? Or do you think that he would have turned in his magazines or semi-auto firearms? Lanza broke about 10 state and federal statutes before any of the school murders. Laws are meaningless words to criminals or the insane.

Please don't tell me if the items are banned they won't be available. How is that working for illegal drugs?

These grief-stricken individuals are being used by liberals to restrict firearms ownership for the law abiding citizens. Like I said in in previous post the socialist liberal democrats released dangerous criminals, opened our borders for criminal illegal aliens to freely come into our country, and deinstitutionalized the violently insane, and then blame guns, law abiding citizens, and the NRA for these mass murder tragedies.

The dysfunctional mental health and criminal justice systems need to be fixed for this violence to stop.

How about using the pro-choice approach to gun control. Don't tell me how to protect myself or my family, and leave that choice to me.
myth

Francesville, IN

#31 Apr 6, 2013
Then address the issue at hand > Get rid of the Zionists .
CTM

United States

#32 Apr 6, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>What is despicable is your apparent willingness to let other families suffer the same fate.
.........If there was a choice that included personal bodily harm to oneself to stop another tragedy like this, I believe most people would endure it, especially posters 1-8. You are blind to the politicians leading these people with lies that running an anti-gun agenda will forever be a meaningful gesture that will ensure the memory of their child in a positive way and save others from such a terrible fate. Lies. Lies. Lies. These same politicians are hiding the truth about why this happened and nothing, nothing can be done to prevent this from happenning again with the laws they have passed. These politicians have never even addressed tougher laws for criminal use of a gun, just making them much harder for law abiding citizens to purchase. It's illegal to sell a gun to a felon prior to the new laws. Many laws have not been enforced, maybe they will be now. The victims families have been on such a "tour" schedule do you really think there has been much more than even a moment to begin healing? Some honesty by these politicians as to the "why" of this would begin to bring some healing, listen to some of the Aurora interviews, same thing.
Gun Control Does Not Work

United States

#33 Apr 6, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>The reason we haven't heard more from the dad who is content with current laws is that we already heard his position, and none of the others seem to agree. What would you have him do for an encore, shoot a few doe-eyed deer?
As for the rest of your partisan diatribe, human emotion is all that keeps us from being tree stumps, and is often a valuable aid in making decisions. Regarding your precious second amendment rights, background checks and other common sense parameters do nothing to abrogate those rights.
What keeping guns out of the hands of maniacs has to do with socialism, I've yet to figure out.


When common weapons are restricted to law abiding citizens, and little is done to stop criminals or the insane from preying on society, the approach lacks common sense. A good friend of mine had a child killed in a car accident, shall we ban automobiles?

Nobody wants maniacs to have any sort of weapon, but maybe if a person is that dangerous, should they be living in a residence next to you or I?

Also regarding your question regarding socialism, if you are a student of history, you will remember socialist liberal beliefs are normally associated with gun bans for the citizenry.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#34 Apr 6, 2013
CTM wrote:
<quoted text>.........If there was a choice that included personal bodily harm to oneself to stop another tragedy like this, I believe most people would endure it, especially posters 1-8. You are blind to the politicians leading these people with lies that running an anti-gun agenda will forever be a meaningful gesture that will ensure the memory of their child in a positive way and save others from such a terrible fate. Lies. Lies. Lies. These same politicians are hiding the truth about why this happened and nothing, nothing can be done to prevent this from happenning again with the laws they have passed. These politicians have never even addressed tougher laws for criminal use of a gun, just making them much harder for law abiding citizens to purchase. It's illegal to sell a gun to a felon prior to the new laws. Many laws have not been enforced, maybe they will be now. The victims families have been on such a "tour" schedule do you really think there has been much more than even a moment to begin healing? Some honesty by these politicians as to the "why" of this would begin to bring some healing, listen to some of the Aurora interviews, same thing.
One minor point. The politicians are not running an anti-gun agenda.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#35 Apr 6, 2013
Marichu wrote:
<quoted text>
No number is acceptable. But at least, if such an incident occurs again, the bodies of their children should be easier to identify.
This would be classified as a “compromise” on the part of the parents. There is no compromise.
Who elevated the parents to be arbitrators of the Constitution.

DNA test are effected by the number of rounds in a magazine?

I give these people no right to shape the constitution to their own personal needs and the law of land does not as well.

Because their children died in a infamous group you bend at the knee ?

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#36 Apr 6, 2013
RustyS wrote:
<quoted text>
Larry, where is your outrage for the other 99.8% of children killed by abuse, drowning, cars, poisons? Why would you ignore them? The death of a child is tragic, why would you focus all your energy on the tiniest number? Is a child that is shot more important than a child that is beat to death? You do this for politics, that, is truly despicable.
Very well said.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#37 Apr 6, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>What rubbish, Rustoleum. Youn have the f''ing nerve to assert that I don't care about children dying from other causes because I'm addressing the issue at hand, that "tiniest number" who were torn to pieces by a maniac with enough firepower to pump 11 bullets into each kid? You have descended to the bottom of the barrel, and should be ashamed. You are a truly disgusting piece of work.
Then, answer the question Larry, where is your outrage for the other 99.8% children? If I might reply, in your vernacular, you are a fcking liberal idiot who is in this, not for the children, but for what this tragedy can bring to your cause. You are the worst kind of liberal progressive scum. You want to use the death of children to forward your liberal agenda and if it means parading the grieving families in front of the press, so be it. You are a truly disgusting piece of shit who will do or say whatever it takes to move the liberal agenda forward. Fair enough?
Gun Control Does Not Work

United States

#38 Apr 6, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>One minor point. The politicians are not running an anti-gun agenda.
Hahahahahahahaha, are you serious?????!!!! Have you seen "mama get a shotgun" joker Joe the village idiot Biden. He is not running an anti-gun agenda?
Gun Control Does Not Work

United States

#39 Apr 6, 2013
RustyS wrote:
<quoted text>
Then, answer the question Larry, where is your outrage for the other 99.8% children? If I might reply, in your vernacular, you are a fcking liberal idiot who is in this, not for the children, but for what this tragedy can bring to your cause. You are the worst kind of liberal progressive scum. You want to use the death of children to forward your liberal agenda and if it means parading the grieving families in front of the press, so be it. You are a truly disgusting piece of shit who will do or say whatever it takes to move the liberal agenda forward. Fair enough?
I think I need to agree with Rusty on this statement.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#40 Apr 6, 2013
Marichu wrote:
<quoted text>
The legislations they are advocating are minor restrictions. Better comprehensive background checks, a data base that states could access, strengthening laws against gun trafficking, are not such arduous prerequisites for purchasing firearms.
You need not be your “brother’s keeper”. Following or not following the teachings of Jesus Christ is a personal choice protected by the Constitution.
I wouldn’t call it a knee jerk reaction, more like a heart and soul reaction.
Yes I know the sky is falling, and these restrictions will bring about the collapse of the United States and the Constitution or maybe not.
Very few rivers begin with a flood.

It is more likely a collection of a few drops but by the time the river gets to the delta it is raging.
Say the Truth

Lansdale, PA

#42 Apr 6, 2013
Marichu wrote:
<quoted text>
The legislations they are advocating are minor restrictions. Better comprehensive background checks, a data base that states could access, strengthening laws against gun trafficking, are not such arduous prerequisites for purchasing firearms.
You need not be your “brother’s keeper”. Following or not following the teachings of Jesus Christ is a personal choice protected by the Constitution.
I wouldn’t call it a knee jerk reaction, more like a heart and soul reaction.
Yes I know the sky is falling, and these restrictions will bring about the collapse of the United States and the Constitution or maybe not.
And what would "Better comprehensive background checks" have done to prevent Sandy Hook? Hmmm???

It was committed using STOLEN guns.

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