Gunman opens fire in Tennessee Unitarian Universalist church, 1 killed

Jul 27, 2008 Full story: ap.google.com 1,282

A gunman opened fire at a church youth performance Sunday, injuring eight people and killing a man who witnesses called a hero for shielding others from a shotgun blast.

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“Prostibuli eligantia”

Since: Apr 08

Arlington

#300 Jul 28, 2008
Not even your god, nor your prayers, can stop a bullet.
Balanced-I_hope

Louisville, KY

#301 Jul 28, 2008
Little Lady wrote:
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How Christian of you. People who hate gays are usually hiding their own pent up homoerotic fantasies. So which gay bars do you go to in secret?
I agree that the poster who caused you to comment like this was wrong to suggest violence, but your view is not very balanced either.

Christian is a very wide term these days. It can be an evangelical Christian, an Orthodox Christian, or a "Liberal" Christian (I should have mentioned that before). It can simply mean the British "Not very Christian" meaning not very kind.

I support freedom of religion in the United States. To me that means that an evangelical Christian or a Muslim is free to read their books, discuss their faith etc. Of course, the same goes for people of all faiths. I'm not trying to leave out Jewish people, JWs or others.

I don't think all faiths are equal in their spirituality (if such can be valued), but believers/adherants have the right to believe or not believe.

I don't believe in violence against gay people, but I think it's acceptable for people to quote the Bible without censure. If people say that it says in the Bible that that homosexuality is an abomination, that shouldn't be construed as a hate crime. On the other hand if people SAY to kill homosexuals, that's a real problem in my book.

Anyone see it like me?

Since: Jul 08

Watsonville, CA

#302 Jul 28, 2008
Lunatic wrote:
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I think that if there is some sort of Judgment Day, one's professed beliefs are going to be completely irrelevant. It'll turn out that everybody who has tried to live a decent and ethical life, even if they messed up on occasion, will find themselves counted among the Saved. It won't matter if you're a Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Unitarian, atheist, or whatever--you'll find out that simply by having a conscience, you had the spirit of Jesus in you all along. On the other hand, someone could be baptized until their skin prunes, profess Jesus as Lord until their lips bleed, but if they're a hateful person (like many Topix trolls), Jesus will say to them, "I never knew you."
I'm a Freethinker, but I think that if there's any sort of Judgment Day or karmic balance to the universe, those who try to do good will ALWAYS be rewarded, regardless of what doctrines they believe in. And, if a person is thoroughly wicked, all the religious legalism in the world won't save them from their inevitable punishment...
This may be the best post I have ever seen on Topix. I am also a freethinker and find it hard to believe that I am going to burn in hell for my lack of belief.
Hagar the Horrible

Southfield, MI

#303 Jul 28, 2008
Many churches are a big failure in the U.S.
Too many hypocrite leaders in those churches.
When people constantly pull the trigger in churches it means God is not there.

“Only here for 75 or so years.”

Since: Feb 08

Grover Beach CA.

#304 Jul 28, 2008
Hagar the Horrible wrote:
Many churches are a big failure in the U.S.
Too many hypocrite leaders in those churches.
When people constantly pull the trigger in churches it means God is not there.
You are not allowed to reproduce...

No really.

“Only here for 75 or so years.”

Since: Feb 08

Grover Beach CA.

#305 Jul 28, 2008
liberal weenie wrote:
<quoted text>This may be the best post I have ever seen on Topix. I am also a freethinker and find it hard to believe that I am going to burn in hell for my lack of belief.
If you do not acknowledge what Jesus did for you (cover your sins with his life) then yes you deserve to burn...
onepopo

Orlando, FL

#306 Jul 28, 2008
Hector wrote:
<quoted text>How do you know that jesus didn't send this man over from the correct church to rectify the incorrect church?
Well, if this guy is from the "correct" church then that's a church I want no part of.

“Atheistic Jesus tastes best!”

Since: Dec 07

Manchester

#307 Jul 28, 2008
womanspirit wrote:
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as oppose to being what - like you? an idiot athiest? And by the way - I am a liberal so I am nottaking your attack on the conservative view personally. Nothing wrong with being an athiest - but an idito athiest is another thing. Nothing wrong being conservative either - its the idiots we should beware of - the thing is - the people of that church are hardly conservative.
Ah you misread my post.

I'm calling the conservative that shot up the place an idiot, while saying the liberal church is a good thing.

I'm quite the spiritual atheist.

Oh and my first post has been quite misread by everyone.

I at the time of writing, assumed it was a christian church, and couldn't understand how taking a bullet shot to save some kids is worthy of the hero title, if christianity is real.

Lets be honest, if we knew we could go straight to paradise when we died, as long as we didn't kill ourselves, and we knew that everyone wanted paradise, because its perfect, and you don't even miss your family once your there, and a dude walks into the room, and says "catch this pill, and you'll go to paradise, I got enough for all of ya" and he throws them into the air, and a man leaps up in front of the kids and catches half of em, and disapears to paradise, with one other lucky kid, leaving the rest behind, would anyone lable him a hero then?

its the same thing.

but since this is a unitarian church, its different because they don't all believe in an after life, so he was either a hero because he didn't think paradise awaited him at death and still took a bullet, or he was believed that he was going to go to paradise, and assumingly the children too because their pure, and he took the bullet out of greed for his chance to be a "hero" and call it self defence so he wouldn't go to the torture chamber down under instead.

Most sacrifices in life are truly selfish in nature.

Do you give them bum a dollar to help him out, or do you do it because you know helping people makes you feel good?

Really think about it... I bet you always thought you did it help the bum out, but if every time you gave a bum a dollar you instantly felt sad and like a rotten person, and people all thought it was a a$$hole thing to do, and you felt no goodness whatsoever out of it, would you still do it? probabbly not.

were all greedy. were all selfish.
Shaken

Fairport, NY

#308 Jul 28, 2008
I guess you never read about that historical figure so many of you worship, going into a church filled with miscreants and going beserk!
Damn, I love righteous indignation!

Since: Jun 08

Rogersville

#309 Jul 28, 2008
Kev-0 wrote:
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If you do not acknowledge what Jesus did for you (cover your sins with his life) then yes you deserve to burn...
Hey its Pastor Hagee, someone grab a wet towel.
Another John

Jasper, TX

#310 Jul 28, 2008
Queue wrote:
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Actually, I hate to say this, but Hector is correct. The KKK came out of the democratic party.
It doesn't matter that the KKK was used by the Democratic party in the 1920's. This has no bearing on the fact that Southern Democrats who are Baptist should be targeted by hate mongerers like Hector.
The KKK is just like the Black Panthers and the Louis Farrakhan Black Muslims....an anti-social hate group that is to be shunned by all.
This is the very reason that I oppose Barak Obama.
When his long association with Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan came to light I knew then that he had been immersed in a culture of hate. It has tainted his very being.
Then, the suggestion that Southerners who are Democrats and Baptists should bear the blame for the tragedy in this church truly exposes Hector for what he is....a hate mongerer.
mamasilverhair

Ravenna, OH

#311 Jul 28, 2008
Very sad day.
Stanton

San Diego, CA

#312 Jul 28, 2008
Because G-d uses his word to rectify things.
Agnostic

Chicago, IL

#313 Jul 28, 2008
Where are all those people who constantly posts comments about black people committing all the crimes in this country?

Come on. I'm sure if you all try hard enough you can find a way to blame black people for this too.
Stanton

San Diego, CA

#314 Jul 28, 2008
Because God uses his word to rectify things.
Another John

Jasper, TX

#315 Jul 28, 2008
Anyone wanting a fair assessment of the KKK should go to:

http://www.civilwarhome.com/kkk.htm

Without diminishing the cruel acts against the blacks, you must also consider the thousands of poor whites who were struggling. Many of them were used as tools against the blacks. And many of them migrated West to escape the poverty and turmoil.
Agnostic

Chicago, IL

#316 Jul 28, 2008
Is someone from Jasper "We drag blacks to their death behind trucks" Texas accusing anyone of being immersed in a culture of hate?
BelGazou

Stockton, CA

#317 Jul 28, 2008
Prayers are Pointless wrote:
Fanaticism. It takes on many faces. Part of me, certainly horrified, yes, but a much larger, and more cynical, part of me cheers when this happens. Any christians (or other terrorism-fostering-faithmonge rs out there) should recognize it when you get a dose of your own medicine.
Nobody knows what his motives were, but what he achieved was a powerful dose of cosmic irony! In your self-righteous faces, denialists.
Oh, and to all the idiots who will 'praying' for others? Try spending that time thinking for yourselves. If you did, events like this, commonplace around the world, could just go away.
Unitarian Universalists not necessarily Christians (hence the name Universal and Unitarian). They are the least likely candidates to be dubbed "terrorist-fostering-fait h-mongers". They are Deists not Theists. They believe in a God but the nature of God is up for discussion. They embrace many religions but follow no dogma. Get a grip fella.

The gunman's ex-wife had an order of protection out on him because he had promised to "blow her brains out and then blow his own brains out". He also hated Christians because he had been forced to attend a Christian church by his parents when he was a child.

Since: Aug 07

Pleasanton, CA

#318 Jul 28, 2008
Somehow I don't think we'll ever see the headline
"Crazed Unitarian Opens Fire At Fundamentalist Christian Church."
Another John

Jasper, TX

#319 Jul 28, 2008
Agnostic wrote:
Where are all those people who constantly posts comments about black people committing all the crimes in this country?
Come on. I'm sure if you all try hard enough you can find a way to blame black people for this too.
Anyone who does that is just like Hector, a hate mongerer. I wonder why you would ask that question. Food for thought.

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