Ron Paul on the Verge of Going Third ...

Ron Paul on the Verge of Going Third Party?

There are 29308 comments on the National Ledger story from Jan 12, 2008, titled Ron Paul on the Verge of Going Third Party?. In it, National Ledger reports that:

Rep. Ron Paul's 1988 Libertarian Presidential campaign started with great promise: A former four-term Republican US Congressman running on the ticket of America's third largest party. via National Ledger

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Since: Aug 12

Birmingham, AL

#29024 Sep 16, 2012
they nominated romney,not Paul ,that third party only gives the election to the democrates (progressives)
javy

San Pedro, CA

#29025 Sep 16, 2012
Bill R wrote:
The silence on this board since these events
occurred is pretty much fair evidence of the
need of what some have called "Paulbots" to
receive the official word of their leader.

Or hasn't anyone a thought of their own other
than the prescribed diatribes? Just wondering
since the mother of one of the slaughtered
lives here in Oregon.

I know, I know, I know .... its all in the
script .... it is OUR fault.
Ask Hillary why she let it happen.
Ask Romney what he would do... Wait we already know that answer.
Paul is out. He has nothing to do with anything anymore other than informing us of what is going on behind the scenes.
The Islam movie is fake. It's a ruse to justify more bloodshed.
Al Qaeda was used by NATO and US to overthrow Gadaffi and now Assad.
Yes the same Al Qaeda "responsible" for 9-11 is now our ally in the mid east overthrowing Egypt, Libya, Tunisa, and now Syria.
So how is that?
How does America ignore these facts and continue to send their sons and daughters to the slaughter?
Stop sending your kids to war. PERIOD!
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29026 Sep 17, 2012
javy wrote:
<quoted text>
Paul knows the CIA runs everything, including Al Qaeda.
It's now widespread knowledge that this attack was coming and the current administration did nothing to prevent it.
This is a reason to escalate conflict in the mid east and give US troops a cover to take over Libya oil fields.
War is coming no doubt as that has been the long term goal of neo con agenda.
Paul campaign has sold us out.
The neo cons will get their war and tear down America in the process.
Thank you to all the brain dead zombies who cheer on each move of the globalist machine.
YOU all go join the army. Send YOUR kids to war.
The countries that have reaped the benerfits of the Libyan war are England, France and Italy we got zip. Yes! the same three that started backing the dip-shit rebels and sucked our liberal media into the fray, which in turn sucked the government into that farce.
If there is a war with Iran, and there should be one, we had better get in there and eliminate as many as we can using any and all of the munitions that we have. We should also allow Israel to use all that they have. Let us not make the same mistakes over and over again with this half assed piece meal police action. Wasting tons of money and time, plus the loss of American lives try to win the hearts and minds of these savages. But be advised there will be one hell of a lot of colateral damage and loss of life on the Iranian side. As there should be! But it will sure as hell have the rest of the muslim world crapping in their pants, wondering if they're next.
Bill R

Yacolt, WA

#29027 Sep 17, 2012
javy wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh for one Paul would not be arming and training Al Qaeda as his predecessors have been doing.
Recognizing that Al Qaeda is a small extreme brain washed branch of Islam used for the purposes of creating conflict in mid east regions and a scapegoat for globalist operations, Paul would not use drones or other such military activity to kill innocent mid east people, but rather open up the CIA books and identify those radical clerics on the payroll used to incite the muslims to jihad.
You make the fundamental error of many in that you apparently
refuse to accept the fact that other nations, cultures, or groups
are quite capable of making decisions or taking action without
being "used" by Americans. In thinking this way you give
Americans far too much blame or credit for shaping events;
which is actually just another, more subtle form of American
arrogance.

You seem incapable of grasping the fact that Al Qaeda, lacking
its own essential resources, used the United States and other
nations to advance their cause. Has it ever occurred to you
that that there are thousands of Al Qaeda and radical Islamic
clerics who don't need to be on the some "CIA payroll," that
they are people just like many Americans you despise .... they
want influence and power for their own ends or ideology.

You do follow the Paulist script perfectly though. Rather
than focus on the obvious you envision Paul making the
dumbass notion that it had to CIA or someone else within the
U.S. government that is responsible for any and every act that
does harm in the world. It couldn't possibly be that Libyans
or Egyptians or Al Qaeda could conceive of and carry out a
barbaric act without America putting the idea in their heads
and putting them on our payroll. That would be too simple.
Instead you just take on another perverse kind of American
exceptionalism .... the idea that only Americans are capable
of deception and barbarism.

For you folk all evil rests and arises in America. That
attitude is not lost on the rest of us who are capable of
seeing a world in which evil thoughts and actions come from
every nation, movement, religion, or culture. You give
credit to Paul as some kind of genius or wizard when in fact
he is simplistic and quite oblivious to the world around him
because his focus is entirely on American blame.
javy

San Pedro, CA

#29028 Sep 17, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>You make the fundamental error of many in that you apparently
refuse to accept the fact that other nations, cultures, or groups
are quite capable of making decisions or taking action without
being "used" by Americans. In thinking this way you give
Americans far too much blame or credit for shaping events;
which is actually just another, more subtle form of American
arrogance.

You seem incapable of grasping the fact that Al Qaeda, lacking
its own essential resources, used the United States and other
nations to advance their cause. Has it ever occurred to you
that that there are thousands of Al Qaeda and radical Islamic
clerics who don't need to be on the some "CIA payroll," that
they are people just like many Americans you despise .... they
want influence and power for their own ends or ideology.

You do follow the Paulist script perfectly though. Rather
than focus on the obvious you envision Paul making the
dumbass notion that it had to CIA or someone else within the
U.S. government that is responsible for any and every act that
does harm in the world. It couldn't possibly be that Libyans
or Egyptians or Al Qaeda could conceive of and carry out a
barbaric act without America putting the idea in their heads
and putting them on our payroll. That would be too simple.
Instead you just take on another perverse kind of American
exceptionalism .... the idea that only Americans are capable
of deception and barbarism.

For you folk all evil rests and arises in America. That
attitude is not lost on the rest of us who are capable of
seeing a world in which evil thoughts and actions come from
every nation, movement, religion, or culture. You give
credit to Paul as some kind of genius or wizard when in fact
he is simplistic and quite oblivious to the world around him
because his focus is entirely on American blame.
Lol
You say a whole lot of nothing!

http://beforeitsnews.com/9-11-and-ground-zero...

http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2012/0...

http://beforeitsnews.com/9-11-and-ground-zero...
Bill R

Yacolt, WA

#29029 Sep 17, 2012
javy wrote:
Sweet child, it is your post that says nothing.

You only chirp what other "sources" please you.

Are you capable of a conversation based directly
on the points made by others using your own words
and not depending on "sources" that accommodate
your position?

How is "Before its news" any less a pile of propaganda
than MSM ..... both are corrupted by their biases
going in to virtually any subject of substance.

You are no less manipulated than those you discount
as blind mice or silly sheeple.
javy

San Pedro, CA

#29030 Sep 17, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>Sweet child, it is your post that says nothing.

You only chirp what other "sources" please you.

Are you capable of a conversation based directly
on the points made by others using your own words
and not depending on "sources" that accommodate
your position?

How is "Before its news" any less a pile of propaganda
than MSM ..... both are corrupted by their biases
going in to virtually any subject of substance.

You are no less manipulated than those you discount
as blind mice or silly sheeple.
Lol
You neo con establishment types don't like the truth because it messes up your plans!
It's your world Billy Boy. You have been the one active in politics and shaping the direction of this country.
Paulbots are just little chihuahuas chirping at your heels. Your kind has been calling the shots all this time.
This mess is yours. You own it.
We are the ones that have pick up after you and we are getting tired of it.
Send your kids to fight your war!
When the war comes to America we will be the patriots protecting our homeland.
Crazy n Nutty Politics

North Miami Beach, FL

#29031 Sep 18, 2012
Well it's over for the neoc0n golden boy puppet.

A video was leaked showing Romney saying that nearly half of Americans will vote for President Barack Obama because they rely on government support, made apparent jokes about wishing he had Latino heritage, talks about a Chinese factory his former firm purchased. On it's face it looks like another callous and insensitive remark which in his words were "off the cuff".(nice way of putting it, not even a spin doctor is going to cure this one)

You see, if you would've stuck with Dr. Paul this would never have happened. But NOOO, you neoc0ns wanted to secure another war in the middle east and Dr. Paul's non interventionist strategy coupled with his free/fair trade practices and dismantling the reserve would've put a wrench into your plans for NWO domination.

Either way it's a lose lose for Romney. He's manage to alienate the women, latino, gay, blue collar, middle class, blacks and youth vote all before the primaries.(did I forget anyone) LMAO!

As far as the middle east it doesn't really matter. I think it's become pretty apparent they don't want us there. Time to close up shop and head home boys.

Good day all!
EASY MONEY

Thailand

#29032 Sep 18, 2012
Crazy n Nutty Politics wrote:
Well it's over for the neoc0n golden boy puppet.
A video was leaked showing Romney saying that nearly half of Americans will vote for President Barack Obama because they rely on government support, made apparent jokes about wishing he had Latino heritage, talks about a Chinese factory his former firm purchased. On it's face it looks like another callous and insensitive remark which in his words were "off the cuff".(nice way of putting it, not even a spin doctor is going to cure this one)
You see, if you would've stuck with Dr. Paul this would never have happened. But NOOO, you neoc0ns wanted to secure another war in the middle east and Dr. Paul's non interventionist strategy coupled with his free/fair trade practices and dismantling the reserve would've put a wrench into your plans for NWO domination.
Either way it's a lose lose for Romney. He's manage to alienate the women, latino, gay, blue collar, middle class, blacks and youth vote all before the primaries.(did I forget anyone) LMAO!
As far as the middle east it doesn't really matter. I think it's become pretty apparent they don't want us there. Time to close up shop and head home boys.
Good day all!
Of course I don't agree, all he has alienated are the same trash that already were going to vote for bozo no matter what. You know the bunch that says, OH YEAH!! he's black and so am I, so he gets my vote. Yes Sir!! I'll still get that check every month, damn straight, he get my vote. Trash begets trash. He has told the truth and people just can't handle the truth, except for those with a brain. That eliminates that 47% of dead from the neck up garbage. I see that you brought up women, why? They couldn't figure what side of the street to walk on if it didn't involve a something that they think would make them look better. Their touchy feely outlook on life just isn't what I want to run a country.
Like it or not at least Mitt can tell the truth and he did. My kind of guy and yes, he does get my vote. As if there was any doubt in your mind.
Bill R

Yacolt, WA

#29033 Sep 18, 2012
javy wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol
You neo con establishment types don't like the truth because it messes up your plans!
It's your world Billy Boy. You have been the one active in politics and shaping the direction of this country.
Paulbots are just little chihuahuas chirping at your heels. Your kind has been calling the shots all this time.
This mess is yours. You own it.
We are the ones that have pick up after you and we are getting tired of it.
Send your kids to fight your war!
When the war comes to America we will be the patriots protecting our homeland.
Nice try, but your silliness gets in the way of genuine
conversation.

You know absolutely nothing of what my being "active in
politics" has involved or how it may have shaped our
country in some small way. I sense a note of jealousy
or envy on your part because your activity or involvement
in politics has been ineffective and generally a failure.

My political involvement began during the Civil Rights
movement, javy. No apology there. My involvement included
heavy involvement in the anti-war movement during the Vietnam
era. No apology there either, but I'd point out that to
characterize them as neo-con is fair evidence of your
ignorance about the meaning of the term.

Or perhaps you feel supporting Israel while advocating a
two state solution is a neo-con idea. If so, more ignorance
on your part. Or maybe its my suggestion that we draw down
our military forces in other parts of the world is a neo-con
idea .... I believe my suggestion was 20-25% in 2-4 years,
with an emphasis upon those countries who are perfectly
capable of defending themselves (ex. South Korea, Japan,
and European nations). Or perhaps my asking on repeated
occasions for someone to explain why the hell we are in
Afghanistan and what "victory" would look like is a ne-con
type question. Or perhaps my opposition to the very concept
of "nation building" is a neo-con idea.

Geez, javy, don't be a dope that limits your political
speech to inane, predictable Paul produced sound bites.
They are gross oversimplifications and prevent you from
being an effective voice or agent for change. Just as your
words here are fair evidence of you not having a grip on
reality on the small things ... like my involvement in
politics ... they simply prove your inability to take on
issues far larger and more important.
javy

San Pedro, CA

#29034 Sep 18, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>Nice try, but your silliness gets in the way of genuine
conversation.

You know absolutely nothing of what my being "active in
politics" has involved or how it may have shaped our
country in some small way. I sense a note of jealousy
or envy on your part because your activity or involvement
in politics has been ineffective and generally a failure.

My political involvement began during the Civil Rights
movement, javy. No apology there. My involvement included
heavy involvement in the anti-war movement during the Vietnam
era. No apology there either, but I'd point out that to
characterize them as neo-con is fair evidence of your
ignorance about the meaning of the term.

Or perhaps you feel supporting Israel while advocating a
two state solution is a neo-con idea. If so, more ignorance
on your part. Or maybe its my suggestion that we draw down
our military forces in other parts of the world is a neo-con
idea .... I believe my suggestion was 20-25% in 2-4 years,
with an emphasis upon those countries who are perfectly
capable of defending themselves (ex. South Korea, Japan,
and European nations). Or perhaps my asking on repeated
occasions for someone to explain why the hell we are in
Afghanistan and what "victory" would look like is a ne-con
type question. Or perhaps my opposition to the very concept
of "nation building" is a neo-con idea.

Geez, javy, don't be a dope that limits your political
speech to inane, predictable Paul produced sound bites.
They are gross oversimplifications and prevent you from
being an effective voice or agent for change. Just as your
words here are fair evidence of you not having a grip on
reality on the small things ... like my involvement in
politics ... they simply prove your inability to take on
issues far larger and more important.
You had a chance to support someone with your views but you chose to support the neo cons. Plain and simple. Case closed.
You failed to speak out against the GOP's hijacking of Ron Paul's nomination. You supported the lies and corruption at the convention even though it was evident to all.
You say not one word in support of truth justice and the American Way!
Bill R

Yacolt, WA

#29035 Sep 18, 2012
javy wrote:
<quoted text>
You had a chance to support someone with your views but you chose to support the neo cons. Plain and simple. Case closed.
You failed to speak out against the GOP's hijacking of Ron Paul's nomination. You supported the lies and corruption at the convention even though it was evident to all.
You say not one word in support of truth justice and the American Way!
Sorry Charlie, no cigar. I could not support a man who \
even to this day has not seen the plain and simple facts
of human existence in regard to race and human rights.
He disqualified himself. On another point, he has not
shown himself to be at all even-handed in his assigning
responsibility for the ills and travails of life in a
global world. He is altogether too immature and truncated
in his vision or understanding that there are those
who have the both the means and the will to do damage
to American life and property here and around the world.
His political ideology is "be nice and people will be
nice to you." That puts him on the edge of idiocy what-
ever or however some of his economic ideas make sense.
His economic ideas would be rendered meaningless with
the world view he brings to the table. He is an antique
in a world he will never understand because his mind
shut down to a particular ideology decades ago.

Incidentally, it is not my intent to single out Ron Paul
as an inadequate leader for America. We have had a slew
of others .... some elected and some simply wannabes.
Obama is surely one of them. Kerry was another. Dukakis
another. Don't forget Mondale or Carter. And then throw
in a generation of Republicans like McCain, Guiliani,
Trump, and a dozen others.

No one has had the testicles to call out both sides
for their unwillingness to deal with life as it truly is.

Life as it truly is means we will NEVER reach accord
with radical Islam and moderate Islam will NEVER have
the testicles to confront radical Islam for the curse
it is upon the Middle East and much of the rest of the
world.

More later, javy ..... work calls.

“UNLESS !!!!!!!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#29036 Sep 18, 2012
Curious how people could be for war in Iraq, against Afghanistan, for it again in Iran. This attack was obviously scripted and known about. Those are now apparent facts. It is also a fact that the ambassador was a fraternal brother of mine which for me makes this even more irritating. I would be all for turning Libya and a couple of other targets into a sheet of glass, but the reality is that will never happen. Efficiency and common sense are no longer merits in modern warfare. It is another chess move and we will likely be willing pawns. Remember it was Afghanistan with the help of us working with the Taliban that bled the Soviets of over a million lives and most of their money. We are playing perfectly into the globalist agenda. As for Bill wondering where the condemnation is - mine starts with recruitment of bin Laden to the CIA in the 60's and goes decades to the savage cowards that brutalized my brother in Libya last week. They all have his blood on their hands. My solution is highly trained hunting parties that do not require the mobilization of most of our armed forces nor the occupation of foreign land. Call them what you want, I am perfectly ok with assassins, so long as they methodically remove the cancer without disturbing the host. This worked rather well until our increased imperialism ramped up by Bush Sr. and the New World Order.
LocalBoy

United States

#29037 Sep 18, 2012
Paul made no speeches or statements condoning the attack on our embassy. Nor did he mention anything about justice or responsibility, other than suggesting having an embassy in Libya was wrongheaded. It appears Paul views these events as just another consequence of a failed foreign policy. The odd thing to me is that the average Paultard did not care what Ron Paul said about the bombings, the anti-Paul people led that charge. From my view the average Paulie was busy figuring how what really happened.
Who really believes the whole mess was from a youtube ?
Who here thinks the so called Libyan government gives a shit about the safety of the US embassy ?
Does anybody here think the AlQuada terrorist are not in charge of Libya, actively trying to takeover Syria ?

Newsflash - The new terrorist comes under the guise of Democracy....over the twitter wire and complete with English speaking mouthpieces of liberal democracy.

“UNLESS !!!!!!!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#29038 Sep 18, 2012
LocalBoy wrote:
Paul made no speeches or statements condoning the attack on our embassy. Nor did he mention anything about justice or responsibility, other than suggesting having an embassy in Libya was wrongheaded. It appears Paul views these events as just another consequence of a failed foreign policy. The odd thing to me is that the average Paultard did not care what Ron Paul said about the bombings, the anti-Paul people led that charge. From my view the average Paulie was busy figuring how what really happened.
Who really believes the whole mess was from a youtube ?
Who here thinks the so called Libyan government gives a shit about the safety of the US embassy ?
Does anybody here think the AlQuada terrorist are not in charge of Libya, actively trying to takeover Syria ?
Newsflash - The new terrorist comes under the guise of Democracy....over the twitter wire and complete with English speaking mouthpieces of liberal democracy.
Exactly. They are the people promising they are fighting for principles, ethics, and liberty while doing whatever they wish behind the curtain.
LocalBoy

United States

#29039 Sep 18, 2012
Radical Islam

In the modern world radical Islam is ushered in by Arab spring - sounds so much nicer. Our beloved Democracies in Afghanistan and Iraq dont seem to be much help. Saudi keeps their heads in the sand and the good ole US carries the weight, again.

Fight em over there so we dont fight em over here - Meanwhile we give up freedom for security and get what ? More wars ? Less freedom and less security.

Kill em all - teach those uneducated billygoats to quit watching youtube.....
Crazy n Nutty Politics

North Miami Beach, FL

#29040 Sep 18, 2012
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>

Like it or not at least Mitt can tell the truth and he did
I agreed with everything you said until the last sentence. You can NEVER tell when Mitt is going to tell HIS VERSION of the truth.

Take for example Romney's stance on a two state solution to Israel/Palestine. He describes the obstacles he sees toward developing a so-called "two-state solution" that would establish an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel. He cites problems of geography, including the proximity to Tel Aviv of a potential border between the two states, as preventing any real progression toward the two states. He says "There is just no way".

HOWEVER..publicly he declared support for the two state solution.

Which one is the truth?
EASY MONEY

Thailand

#29042 Sep 18, 2012
Crazy n Nutty Politics wrote:
<quoted text>
I agreed with everything you said until the last sentence. You can NEVER tell when Mitt is going to tell HIS VERSION of the truth.
Take for example Romney's stance on a two state solution to Israel/Palestine. He describes the obstacles he sees toward developing a so-called "two-state solution" that would establish an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel. He cites problems of geography, including the proximity to Tel Aviv of a potential border between the two states, as preventing any real progression toward the two states. He says "There is just no way".
HOWEVER..publicly he declared support for the two state solution.
Which one is the truth?
I did not hear that. But I did hear the the palestians were not interested in any sort of peace, and I agree with that assessment. I do not believe that there should be a two state solution. It would never work for one thing, they would be at each others throats till the end of time. There is no country called Palestine and therefor there are not palestians, most of those living there are Jordains and a smattering of others. End that idea of a two state city, it's like dividing Chicago in to two parts, the north side and the south side and putting a barrier along Canal Street. Just how long do you think that would last?
Tony

Broken Arrow, OK

#29043 Sep 18, 2012
Run Ron Paul Run. Your the best Republican candidate they have.

Since: Sep 12

United States

#29044 Sep 18, 2012
I hope Ron Paul sees this:

http://www.tinyurl.com/goldmoneypartyreport

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