Gay marriage

Gay marriage

There are 61392 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Mar 28, 2013, titled Gay marriage. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#18835 Jan 13, 2014
garylloyd wrote:
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Baffling...
More than 400,000 gay males have died from male-to-male anal sex; tens of thousands more die each year, yet somehow we're calling it "normal" instead of a perversion.
Why ...?
Baffling...

Millions of men & women have died from male-to-female vaginal sex; tens of thousands more die each year, yet somehow we're calling it "normal" instead of a perversion.

Why...?

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#18837 Jan 13, 2014
lides wrote:
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Of course, you would first have to illustrate that being homosexual is immoral. I think you lack the mental capacity to do so. I know you lack the capacity to find any medical, scientific, or academic research that will support your views, because none exists.
"....being a homosexual...?

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#18838 Jan 13, 2014
garylloyd wrote:
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The plaintiffs in the Prop 8 case identified themselves as homosexual, which of course is their sexual orientation, so your "sexual orientation is irrelevant" claim is stupid.
However, if you mean "sexual orientation" should be irrelevant," you have a valid point. Sexual orientation should have no legal standing whatsoever -- no more than BDSM would.
The problem is liberals don't realize this is the Trojan Horse you're sneaking in on us -- establishing sexual orientation as a virtual gender.
Consider what would happen in time of war where there's a draft and a couple identifies as a top and bottom and demand the draft board give the bottom a deferment.
Sounds like you are writing a whole movie script around your gay sex fantasies.
Because if you think that is a serious concern...
garylloyd wrote:
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That's just one of the many ways same-sex marriage wrecks things. The world does not become a better place -- it becomes a sexualized nightmare.
Pay attention for once, stupid.
A man can marry a woman, so a woman should also be able to, regardless of sexual orientation.
A woman can marry a man, so a man should also be able to, regardless of sexual orientation.

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#18839 Jan 13, 2014
Brokeback Mtn wrote:
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I dislike ALL sexual perversion. Even heterosexual sodomy. Why should the government be in the business of supporting and promoting perversion?
":The homosexuals invaded the medical groups to push their Agenda." What exactly is their agenda???"
Homosexual agenda
It is an agenda that they basically set in the late 1980s, in a book called After the Ball, where they laid out a six-point plan for how they could transform the beliefs of ordinary Americans with regard to homosexual behavior in a decade-long time frame.... They admit it privately, but they will not say that publicly.[11] In their private publications, homosexual activists make it very clear that there is an agenda. The six-point agenda that they laid out in 1989 was explicit:
1.Talk about gays and gayness as loudly and as often as possible(...)
2.Portray gays as victims, not as aggressive challengers(...)
3.Give homosexual protectors a just cause(...)
4.Make gays look good(...)
5.Make the victimizers look bad(...)
6.Get funds from corporate America(...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_agend...
According to your link this agenda"...is a term introduced by some conservative Christians in the United States, often used disparagingly."
Why do conservative Christians get to decide what homosexual's agendas get to be?
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Also, the book "After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the '90s" was written by " Alan Sears and Craig Osten, president and vice-president of the Alliance Defense Fund, an American conservative Christian organization".
Why do conservative Christians get to decide what homosexual's agendas get to be?
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And - still on the link you provided - what do REAL gays think about your agenda? Well, "The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) describes the term as a "rhetorical invention of anti-gay extremists seeking to create a climate of fear by portraying the pursuit of civil rights for LGBT people as sinister",[17] and commentators have remarked on a lack of realism and veracity to the idea of a gay agenda per se".
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So, thank you for the link you provided because it proves very convincingly that "Homosexual Agneda" is bull shit.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#18840 Jan 13, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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There have been numerous long-term studies of default families compared to birth parents. They all show a drastic decline in child well being.
The only thing ss couples 'add' is to deprive a child of one gendered parent role.
The Regnerus study gave a reasonable result.
Gay troll twirl away.
Smile.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Oh, so that must explain that every court so far has rejected his "study" as the pile of bogus anti-gay crap that it is.
Thanks for your help getting Utah to allow same-sex couples to marry!!
I simply note that his study is completely in keeping with studies of default families.

I think your point exposes more about today's courts than it does about Regnerus...

Smile.

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#18841 Jan 13, 2014
Bro wrote:
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Golem and every other homosexual that has ever died from AIDS.
Hello 12 year old!
FYI
anal sex, straight &gay sex, is not a disease.
Please be educated. Don't let immature fear of gays cloud your understanding of a tragic disease like AIDS.
Good luck in life.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#18842 Jan 13, 2014
Brokeback Mtn wrote:
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How does it protect children? Another lie?
Children as young as age 14 can be forced to marry with their parents consent.

Legalizing polygamy would mean 14 y/o girls could be forced to marry into a polygamous group against their will, because polygamist cults often intermarry among families.

Legalizing incestuous marriages would mean a man could legally marry his own 14 y/o child against her will, because he as the parent gave consent for her.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#18843 Jan 13, 2014
Brokeback Mtn wrote:
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Another lie.
If it's about equal protection then why can't I marry my brother? A sister a sister?
Because a sibling couple isn't similarly situated to an unrelated couple, and therefor not entitled to equal protection of marriage laws.

garylloyd

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#18844 Jan 13, 2014
Six_Of_One wrote:
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Name anyone, ever, whose cause of death was anal sex. Idiotic.
400,000 gay males who engaged in anal sex are dead.

Are you asking for a listing of all the names?

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#18845 Jan 13, 2014
Brokeback Mtn wrote:
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And what makes you think ho-mos and heteros are equal? Two different behaviors.
I never claimed they were equal.

I merely stated that same-sex couple is similarly situated to an opposite-sex couple seeking to marry, and therefore entitled to equal protection of marriage laws.

Their behaviors are irrelevant.

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#18846 Jan 13, 2014
Brokeback Mtn wrote:
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I dislike ALL sexual perversion. Even heterosexual sodomy. Why should the government be in the business of supporting and promoting perversion?
":The homosexuals invaded the medical groups to push their Agenda." What exactly is their agenda???"
Homosexual agenda
It is an agenda that they basically set in the late 1980s, in a book called After the Ball, where they laid out a six-point plan for how they could transform the beliefs of ordinary Americans with regard to homosexual behavior in a decade-long time frame.... They admit it privately, but they will not say that publicly.[11] In their private publications, homosexual activists make it very clear that there is an agenda. The six-point agenda that they laid out in 1989 was explicit:
1.Talk about gays and gayness as loudly and as often as possible(...)
You and your fellow homophobes are taking care of that.
Brokeback Mtn wrote:
2.Portray gays as victims, not as aggressive challengers(...)
3.Give homosexual protectors a just cause(...)
4.Make gays look good(...)
Make gays look good?
You straight guys are taking care of that, too.
Straight: http://images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com/10696...
Gay: http://jasonburton80.files.wordpress.com/2012...

Bummer...
:)
Brokeback Mtn wrote:
5.Make the victimizers look bad(...)
6.Get funds from corporate America(...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_agend...
Yeah, the gay IMF or whatever.

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#18847 Jan 13, 2014
Six_Of_One wrote:
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Name anyone, ever, whose cause of death was anal sex. Idiotic.
garylloyd just wants another excuse to think about male/male anal sex.

garylloyd

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#18848 Jan 13, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Baffling...
Millions of men & women have died from male-to-female vaginal sex; tens of thousands more die each year, yet somehow we're calling it "normal" instead of a perversion.
Why...?
Honestly, Sheeple, I suppose the first time someone mimed a comment the way you do above, it was thought clever. But that had to be 30 years ago. In fact, why the need for these stupid pet tricks you keep rolling out? Why can't you just make your point with a simple argument?

And, no -- please put the Coke bottle away.

No one wants to see the tricks you do with that, trust me.

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#18849 Jan 13, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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So you're saying yes, you agree marriage equality must include polygamy but just not now?
We both don't know when polygamy will be allowed in MA, do you have a point?
No, marriage equality can't include polygamist groupings because they're not similarly situated.

My point was that according to your logic, if polygamy must follow same-sex couples marrying, then surely we'd have seen some evidence of that in Massachusetts by now. Especially considering how liberal Massachusetts is.

The longer it takes for polygamist to get the right to marry in Massachusetts (or any other state), the less likely that it will be related in any way to same-sex couples getting the right to marry.

Just like it's illogical today to claim inter-racial marriages led to same-sex couples marrying.

garylloyd

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#18850 Jan 13, 2014
Six_Of_One wrote:
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Hello 12 year old!
FYI
anal sex, straight &gay sex, is not a disease.
Please be educated. Don't let immature fear of gays cloud your understanding of a tragic disease like AIDS.
Good luck in life.
Source ...?

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#18851 Jan 13, 2014
Brokeback Mtn wrote:
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Therefore your EQUALITY argument moot. That's why homosexual marriage shouldn't be allowed. It's UNEQUAL.
Nope.

According to the courts, a same-sex couple is similarly situated to an opposite-sex couple, and therefor is entitled to equal protection of the law.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#18852 Jan 13, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Children as young as age 14 can be forced to marry with their parents consent.
Legalizing polygamy would mean 14 y/o girls could be forced to marry into a polygamous group against their will, because polygamist cults often intermarry among families.
Legalizing incestuous marriages would mean a man could legally marry his own 14 y/o child against her will, because he as the parent gave consent for her.
It's a bogus non-argument that could be just as easily used against SSM. We are talking about consenting adults. Please.

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#18853 Jan 13, 2014
snyper wrote:
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"numerous"?
List three.
LOL. Even your use of "default" is incorrect.
A simple search ("child wellbeing in family types") found these in the first five listings.

http://muse.jhu.edu/login...

http://muse.jhu.edu/login...

http://crcw.princeton.edu/workingpapers/WP11-...

I use the term 'default' because it is easy for normal people to understand.

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#18854 Jan 13, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Because a sibling couple isn't similarly situated to an unrelated couple...
Sure they are.

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#18855 Jan 13, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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He uses the marrying children argument against polygamy but gets outraged when someone uses it against SSM. Classic hypocrite.
There is no history of gays or lesbians marrying children.

There IS a VERY LOOOOOONG history of polygamists forcing children into "marriages" against their will.

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