Gay marriage

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman. Read more

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1875 Apr 11, 2013
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1876 Apr 11, 2013
"Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
Francisco dAnconia

Montpelier, VT

#1877 Apr 11, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>And I oppose churches being tax exempt.
this is because you don't know your history...the power to tax is the power to destroy, that's why you cant tax a state or church...

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1878 Apr 11, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
You can tell alot of people haven't read the constitution, because they don't understand that God is irrelevant as a matter of civil law; and more importantly he has to be in order to ensure religious freedom.
You see, we have the free exercise of religion, not the free exercise of Christianity. So, to make a law respecting Christianity, is to make a law defying all other religions, ergo negating religious freedom.
If that doesn't sound so bad to you, think of this; how would you feel were congress to pass a law respecting the establishment of sharia law?
That's why politics and religion must remain separated.
Tell me about it. I'm beginning to think you and I are the only ones who know Article 6 exists:

"All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

I wish I could write this in bold print:
but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1879 Apr 11, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
<quoted text>
That is your 'proof'...oh, ok....
Biological parents married and in the home is what is best for children....PROOF!
Oh dear Lord do I REALLY have to publish all the links I have about straight married couples beating their children to death? Shaking them? Torturing them? Molesting them?

You glittering generalities are just that, glittering generalities, nothing more.

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#1880 Apr 11, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Oh dear Lord do I REALLY have to publish all the links I have about straight married couples beating their children to death? Shaking them? Torturing them? Molesting them?
You glittering generalities are just that, glittering generalities, nothing more.
Exceptions don't make the rule.....

Nothing more...

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1881 Apr 11, 2013
Imom wrote:
<quoted text>The protection of private contracts between individuals is in the constitution. As for marriage I have no problem with anyone entering into a marriage with whoever they wish. I object to the tax benefits and other special benefits given to any married couple.
Marriage is a private contract between two individuals and as such the State recognizes them. That is why we have community property laws etc. Thank you for helping me prove to you that SSM IS Constitutional.

Unless of course you want to spin again.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1882 Apr 11, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
<quoted text>
Exceptions don't make the rule.....
Nothing more...
I'm glad you pointed that out. The "exceptions" you like to use when claiming gays and lesbians make poor parents don't make the rule either.

That you refuse to accept that not every child does best with their biological parents clearly shows that you deny reality.

Of course that shouldn't surprise anyone on these forums. You're the only person going on gay threads preaching "responsible procreation".

Think about it. Here you are on one hand claiming that since gays don't reproduce they shouldn't be allowed to marry. Then you preach "responsible procreation".

Well to me, two people who PLAN for a child are promoting "responsible procreation. And let's be honest dear. For a gay man or woman to have a child it USUALLY needs some advance planning. And "responsible procreation" does mean planning on hving a child on your planet, doesn't it?

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#1883 Apr 11, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
<quoted text>
Exceptions don't make the rule.....
Nothing more...
Of course, you haven't established a rational basis, much less an exception to exclude anyone. Equal protection is a clearly established principle.

Feel free to respond, if you have the guts. I don't think you do.

“abstractions of thought...”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#1884 Apr 11, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
<quoted text>
Try again...they tried to save Rome through Christianity..it was too late...
BWAHAHAHAHAHA. You need to put down your crack pipe and sober up, Fool.
State Hospital Meatloaf

Sonoma, CA

#1885 Apr 11, 2013
How do,
I live in the place here and when it comes lights out all kinds crawling and shuffles happens and then the grab and boing boing push squawk holler quiet! cry starts. Now we do each others because that is what is here. This aint gay any way and we dont want get married to one of these bums. NO. Nurse says nobody here can get married. So what. The pope say that gays and lesbins can get married for 23 years and then will have to apply for cityship and a green guard. That is nice if that is what you want. We should all get what we want if we want it and you dont need it and have it to give it and when we dont want it then we dont need to have it even if you want to give it. by by by.

“abstractions of thought...”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#1886 Apr 11, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
<quoted text>
Heh??????
<quoted text>
No matter the way 'marriage' presented itself...it ALWAYS involved a man and a woman....were you dropped on your head a baby???
Predominantly, yes. Even overwhelmingly. But always? No. Not everyone is subject to your personal reality distortion field.

“abstractions of thought...”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#1887 Apr 11, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
<quoted text>
Gay marriage is about to be stomped out like a cockroach, it's time those kool-aid drinking supporters accept it.....
On the contrary, you and your ilk are like a snake whose head has been cut off and the body is still writhing around, not yet realizing it's dead. Bigots like you die off every day. Young adults are overhwlmingly accepting of gays and same sex marriage. There is absolutely no law or no constitutional amendment that has been passed or that you can still pass that eventually can't be undone, whether via the political or the judicial process.

Demographics will sweep you onto the ash heap of history. You and your "cause" are already dead; you just aren't willing to recognize that fact yet.

“abstractions of thought...”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#1888 Apr 11, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
<quoted text>
Who died and made you the 'spelling police'??? You know...'small-minded' people like you only respond on such petty points, because they have nothing 'more' to offer to the conversation....
Since you offer nothing of substance or value to the conversation, all we really have left is correcting your mistakes, whether of facts, spelling or whatever.
Anonymous

Baltimore, MD

#1889 Apr 11, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
Got news for you....if your boyfriend has been with you for three years and he was over the age of 18...he's a pedafile....

<quoted text>
The problem you just described is a 'hospital policy' problem...not a 'marriage' problem...
I have news for you. I didn't say how old my boyfriend was he is currently 17 Im soooo sorry i forgot to add that. and the hosptial policy does have to do with a marriage policy, if there are two people who are not married they are not allowed to see each other when one is in the hospital when it is family only. Marriage would make them family, connect the dots.
anonymous

Barberton, OH

#1890 Apr 12, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>DOMA does not define marriage as one man one woman. It IN FACT allows for SSM.
BTW it's impossible to earn respect from people who refuse to give it. I speak from experience as a gay man of 55 years.
You mention benefits. Yet I never once saw you or anyone like you complain about the benefits of alimony, child support of pre-nups.
Wonder why.
It defends the federal Government's right to not financially acknowledge gay marriage or require states to recognize gay marriages from other states.

...and if you actually read my posts here, you'd have read that I'm single and I personally don't approve of the tax breaks given to any married people or those who are raising children. The whole system is an unreliable program to encourage the livestock to breed, but not maintain control over their own financial situation.

...and I still would bet good odds that if the perks arrangement, and the implied endorsement of homosexuality in legal circles were not part of the marriage tactic, the gay community wouldn't care at all about the implied legitimacy of the larger community. In fact, it would diminish the fascination with rebelling against them.

Sorry. The whole debate is just a puppet show. Liberals want their kamikaze troops. Since political correctness became compulsory, even with conservatives, the liberals want, no, need a stealthier way to bust up good ol' boy systems. But liberals don't see their alliance with organized crime as a good ol' boy culture. They see themselves as modern Robin Hoods.

Everything about your little dance is a perversion of democracy, socialist redistribution of wealth, hate crime legislation, political correctness, government subsidized marriage/breeding. It's all a Big Lie that has succeeded in derailing Libertarian values in favor of a false assumption that the modern wedge issues are the cornerstone of a democracy that has gotten along for over two centuries.

If you had any sense of real Libertarian values, you'd be addressing the complications introduced by technology. You aren't. Both parties want and NEED those technologies lest the other side control them first. The secret police must have electronic surveillance, compulsory blood tests, everyone's DNA on file and a legal reason for conducting unconstitutional searches at will.

This is a troll cesspit. You're all just kamikazes for the party.

Go on... USE IT! I didn't say WHICH party. You MUST go into a diatribe of all of your canned rhetoric about THE ENEMY!!!!

You WILL use it.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#1891 Apr 12, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
It defends the federal Government's right to not financially acknowledge gay marriage or require states to recognize gay marriages from other states.
...and if you actually read my posts here, you'd have read that I'm single and I personally don't approve of the tax breaks given to any married people or those who are raising children. The whole system is an unreliable program to encourage the livestock to breed, but not maintain control over their own financial situation.
...and I still would bet good odds that if the perks arrangement, and the implied endorsement of homosexuality in legal circles were not part of the marriage tactic, the gay community wouldn't care at all about the implied legitimacy of the larger community. In fact, it would diminish the fascination with rebelling against them.
Sorry. The whole debate is just a puppet show. Liberals want their kamikaze troops. Since political correctness became compulsory, even with conservatives, the liberals want, no, need a stealthier way to bust up good ol' boy systems. But liberals don't see their alliance with organized crime as a good ol' boy culture. They see themselves as modern Robin Hoods.
Everything about your little dance is a perversion of democracy, socialist redistribution of wealth, hate crime legislation, political correctness, government subsidized marriage/breeding. It's all a Big Lie that has succeeded in derailing Libertarian values in favor of a false assumption that the modern wedge issues are the cornerstone of a democracy that has gotten along for over two centuries.
If you had any sense of real Libertarian values, you'd be addressing the complications introduced by technology. You aren't. Both parties want and NEED those technologies lest the other side control them first. The secret police must have electronic surveillance, compulsory blood tests, everyone's DNA on file and a legal reason for conducting unconstitutional searches at will.
This is a troll cesspit. You're all just kamikazes for the party.
Go on... USE IT! I didn't say WHICH party. You MUST go into a diatribe of all of your canned rhetoric about THE ENEMY!!!!
You WILL use it.
You're supposed to make a hat out of the tin-foil, not eat it...

shiny side out!
anonymous

Barberton, OH

#1892 Apr 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>You're supposed to make a hat out of the tin-foil, not eat it...
shiny side out!
Bland trolling. Still no coherent discussion. Don't interrupt my debates.

I just saw a poster attempt a coherent point but in reality, it was just another cherry-picking of the DOMA wording. The legislation was made with States rights in mind. There's no gay rights message to read into it.

We'll see if this poster has anything to offer. You don't.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#1893 Apr 12, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Bland trolling. Still no coherent discussion. Don't interrupt my debates.
I just saw a poster attempt a coherent point but in reality, it was just another cherry-picking of the DOMA wording. The legislation was made with States rights in mind. There's no gay rights message to read into it.
We'll see if this poster has anything to offer. You don't.
you call this a debate? seriously?

every single attempt you have made at making a point on the SSM issued has failed miserably. even you side points are not correct.

still waiting for the first example of how the wealthy use more gov't services...

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1894 Apr 12, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
It defends the federal Government's right to not financially acknowledge gay marriage or require states to recognize gay marriages from other states.
...and if you actually read my posts here, you'd have read that I'm single and I personally don't approve of the tax breaks given to any married people or those who are raising children. The whole system is an unreliable program to encourage the livestock to breed, but not maintain control over their own financial situation.
...and I still would bet good odds that if the perks arrangement, and the implied endorsement of homosexuality in legal circles were not part of the marriage tactic, the gay community wouldn't care at all about the implied legitimacy of the larger community. In fact, it would diminish the fascination with rebelling against them.
Sorry. The whole debate is just a puppet show. Liberals want their kamikaze troops. Since political correctness became compulsory, even with conservatives, the liberals want, no, need a stealthier way to bust up good ol' boy systems. But liberals don't see their alliance with organized crime as a good ol' boy culture. They see themselves as modern Robin Hoods.
Everything about your little dance is a perversion of democracy, socialist redistribution of wealth, hate crime legislation, political correctness, government subsidized marriage/breeding. It's all a Big Lie that has succeeded in derailing Libertarian values in favor of a false assumption that the modern wedge issues are the cornerstone of a democracy that has gotten along for over two centuries.
If you had any sense of real Libertarian values, you'd be addressing the complications introduced by technology. You aren't. Both parties want and NEED those technologies lest the other side control them first. The secret police must have electronic surveillance, compulsory blood tests, everyone's DNA on file and a legal reason for conducting unconstitutional searches at will.
This is a troll cesspit. You're all just kamikazes for the party.
Go on... USE IT! I didn't say WHICH party. You MUST go into a diatribe of all of your canned rhetoric about THE ENEMY!!!!
You WILL use it.
Your last sentence says a lot about you.

My liberal ties to organized crime?

You teabaggers get some great "tea"!

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