Gay marriage

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman. Full Story
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#51906 Jun 20, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Why do you play into his games links? The only real objective question is, can individuals marry one another. Everything else is irrelevant to the government treating each individual identically or as some like to say equally.
If individuals can get married then what sex they are, and how many they are is irrelevant if the government obeys the 14th amendment that requires the government to treat each individual the same as it treats all other individuals.
Pietro Armando is insisting the government treat you differently than how the government treats me.
If the government doesn't know who you are, or who I am, then they have no choice but to treat us identically as individuals and not as gay or straight, male or female, white or black.
Ask Pietro Armando if individuals can get married. He can't answer that because he is a fascist. He will have no choice but to change the question to include distinctions the government is not allowed to make. And you play right into his ruse.
lides says that three isn't equal to two, therefore some people should not get equal protection. It's the "lides exception" to equal protection. The lides loophole. The arithmetic challenged shouldn't get equal protection of the law.

Trouble with denying equal protection to even one person means there's no more equal protection. lides doesn't understand these simple concepts at all. But he knows three is greater than two. So he somehow interprets this to mean that polygamy "seeks greater" protection. But then, he can't describe what the hell "greater" protection of the law is.

lides is one hot mess.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#51907 Jun 20, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Why? You don't have to be ready, will or able to reproduce in order to marry.
And you don't have to be ready, willing or able to marry in order to reproduce.
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I've never advocated the state redefine marriage based on sexual identity labels.
You are a funny liar.
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Nobody has to.
What's your point?
Pietro Armando's point is that he wants to micromanage our lives and make government bigger and stronger so he can have his fascist paradise.

Do you have the same right to marry as I do Rose? Does the government need to know that you are a black female and I am a white male? Why is that any of the governments business? How can they treat us the same knowing you are a black female and I am a white male? Therefore they do not need to know these distinctions. You are an individual and you want to get married and you deserve a license. I am an individual and I want to get married and I deserve a marriage license. Therefor all individuals deserve marriage licenses.

Pietro Armando wants the government to make distinctions the government has no business making because the government does not have a legitimate interest in micromanaging our lives. The government wants to make these distinction, and Pietro Armando wants them to make them because of stupid, disgusting and sick religious reasons. In addition to the government compelling interest to make itself bigger and more powerful to further micromanage all our lives.

If you walk up and apply for a license they should give you one because you are an individual. And they should give me one because I am an individual. These people like Pietro Armando who like to make distinctions where none should exist are fascists and they need to be dealt with as enemies of the State.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#51908 Jun 20, 2014
lides wrote:
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My personal favorite is the written Foghorn Leghorn style drawl. What a twit.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#51909 Jun 20, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Who should have equal protection under the law, because they are all persons.
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Stupid, the issue is marriage, not reproduction.
They are two different things.
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That denies men the right to marry a man, and women the right to marry a woman.
That's unjust.
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Then leave reproduction out of your "argument".
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The terms are defined by gender, so the 14th Amendment is being violated.
Don't bother with your stupid questions, I'm talking about the law, not casual conversation.
Yes exactly Rose. We are each an individual and the government has the responsibility to treat each of us identically. If the government knows you are female and I am male and they treat us differently then you are exactly right that it violates the provisions of the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment is about how government must treat us and not about how we must treat each other. It is the government that must maintain neutrality towards all of us citizens. The government after all was created to serve us, not the other way around.

If Pietro Armando could not make his wholly unconvincing distinctions he has no argument. He must insist we use distinctions like male and female, gay and straight, like government use to use white and not white to keep his house of cards standing.

Does an individual have the right to get married in America? If the answer is yes then all individuals, with out exception, have that right. And of course I am talking about peaceful consenting adults who voluntarily agree with one another. I am not talking about pedophiles straight out of prison forcing a 12 year old to marry him. I have to say that because some of the Gay Nazi's in here love to find fault.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#51910 Jun 20, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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You have one screwed up family (except for your Wife) who tried her best to ungay her son.
Good for her!
I never married the bitch. She turned into an alcoholic drug addict horder who neglected her kids, my son included and I could not do much about the other 6 kids that she popped out one right after another but I rescued my son. I did manage to get one of the kids adopted into a loving family but two of them are in and out of the criminal justice system and the youngest is working in a gay resort. I know nothing about the others, they are probably living with their fathers. Seven kids and seven dads.

And please explain just how a parent "ungays" a child. I am sure everyone would love to know.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#51911 Jun 20, 2014
EmpAtheist wrote:
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People like you.... are absolutely the problem.
I agree, Seven Pee is absolutely is the problem. He and his stupid insane religion which is what screwed him up like this.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#51912 Jun 20, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Infertile opposite sex homosexual couples, infertile bisexual opposite sex couples can marry, infertile heterosexual couples can marry, as can infertile mixed bi/hetero/homo opposite sex couples can marry. However a man and a woman need not be a couple prior to issuance of a marriage license. Modern sexual identity labels are irrelevant to marriage, the legally recognized union of husband and wife.
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Blah blah blah, Peaceful consenting adult individuals can marry. Nothing more needs to be said. The distinctions you insist on violate the intent of the 14th Amendment and are offensive to rational intelligent freedom loving Americans.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#51913 Jun 20, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Yes, however, as numerous courts have indicated over the past 150 years plus, procreation is a function, and/or purpose of marriage.
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So why refine it at all? One man and one woman as husband and wife, regardless of sexual identity labels, and/or ethnicity/race, works. If it ain't broke, which it ain't, don't fix it.
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But if one chooses to, one choose to as marriage is defined by the state, and society at large.
Screw the courts for making distinctions that violate the 14th Amendment. Marriage is broken and letting all individuals marry is the solution to fix it.

The state and "society" [a buzz word for majority rule] have no business deciding for other people what a marriage is.

I decide what my marriage is, you do not decide for me. When you try to, it makes you an immoral being that should be feared as a terrorist. You have every right to express your fascist beliefs but then normal people have the same right to expose their insanity.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#51914 Jun 20, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
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As they already do, as male person and female person, when the marry,,enter into a legally recognized union of husband and wife.
In the blind eye of justice in America there are no males and there are no females, there are only individuals. And you as an individual have no right to pull the smoke and mirrors "society" which is just majority rule as being a legitimate authority on how we are to behave.

Each individual decides for himself how he is going to behave and is responsible for his own behavior. This "Society" you insist on is nothing but majority rule and as such is not allowed in America to set public policy.

If I want to do something the majority society doesn't like, something peaceful and with other consenting adults, it is simply none of this "societies" business. I own my life not this society you invented.

Your collectivist beliefs are destroying America and freedom loving individuals are fighting back. This desire you have to control other people is a form of mental illness and unfortunately there is no cure for it.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#51915 Jun 20, 2014
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on the current administrations plan".. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A....(substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when we take all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#51916 Jun 20, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
Same sex marriage is all about the money; see the previous citation for example.
Can individuals get married in America?

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#51917 Jun 20, 2014
EmpAtheist wrote:
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Your immaturity is showing.
And here I thought that was senility showing. Silly me.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#51918 Jun 20, 2014
KiMare wrote:
When people see a ss couple standing next to a husband and wife with their children, do you really think they think those are the same relationships???
Smirk.
If you could think you would not feel a compulsion to ask such retarded questions.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#51919 Jun 20, 2014
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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When people see you naked at the gym, next to normal men, do you really think that they think you're the same as them?
OMG! That is the best answer I have ever seen posted to KKKiMare. LOL. Good one, Keep 'em coming.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#51920 Jun 20, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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Why am I a problem?
Perhaps it is because the truth hurts you?
Gay Marriage destroys marriage and turns it into a circus show.
Gay Marriage is not in the best interest for society and is not the greatest good for the people.
You are the problem.

Do individuals have the right to marry in America? Does the government have the responsibility to treat each individual citizen with neutrality? Are your unnecessary distinctions stupid and unconstitutional? Absolutely with out a doubt.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#51921 Jun 20, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Can individuals get married in America?
Yes, marry, enter into a legally recognized union of husband and wife.

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“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#51922 Jun 20, 2014
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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Until you can prove any of this (and you clearly don't have the capacity to do so) it is nothing more than opinion.
For the record, your opinion means Jack Schitt to us. Like KiMare, you're impotent over our lives.
Carry on, however. You're entirely amusing.
I find him boring and dull. I would suggest proving to him that he is wrong. He would never admit to it of course but it sure beats the hell out of petty bickering.

How about it Seven Pee? Do individuals have the right to marry in America? I say it is a fact that each of us individuals have the right to marriage and that you and your Christian politicians are prevented from making distinctions which prevent government treating each of us individuals neutrally.

Government has no authority to play favorites, indeed, government is prevented from playing favorites by the 14th Amendment. You want government to play favorites. You want one individual treated one way and another individual treated another way. That is sick, perverted, demented and un-American. It is a crime against humanity.

Why can't all individuals be treated with neutrality by the government? That is how things are supposed to be. Why do you hate it so?

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#51923 Jun 20, 2014
Nine Ball wrote:
I done read where this here acting feller Neil Patrick Harris has had a partner for 10 years. Three or four years ago that decided they wanted kids. So they went to this place what has all of these woman eggs an bought a couple. They had a doctor put them into two dishes and put their sperm stuff in there with the eggs. Then they puts this stuff into another woman what hatches them eggs So she has twins. They has two mothers, one of them is the one what give the eggs and the other one is the one what raised them inside of her for nine months. Each of the gays fathered one of the kids. These boys got one mother and two fathers and I reckon the two gays can claim that they is half brothers. Ain't that a fine kettle of fish. And you gays think this is normal?
It is!!!

Actually, there is still ONLY one biological mother.......that's the woman who donated the eggs......the surrogate mother is NOT biologically attached to the babies!!!

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#51924 Jun 20, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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That definition violates the 14th Amendment.
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Equal protection, stupid.
Write it down.
What do you think of using the word neutral instead of equal? The government must treat each individual citizen with neutrality verses treat each of us equally?

None of us are equal. Some are smarter, some are richer, some better looking, some are stronger, etc etc etc.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#51925 Jun 20, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Yes, marry, enter into a legally recognized union of husband and wife.
Yes, enter into a legally recognized union of Husband and Husband or Wife and Wife, as well as husband and wife!!!

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