Gun Owners Group Condemns "Treacherous" Passage Of Anti-Second Amendment Legislation

Dec 23, 2007 Full story: infowars.net 99

Gun owners and second amendment rights groups have condemned the passage by Congress yesterday of legislation that re-writes the law in order to regulate gun ownership.

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#1 Dec 24, 2007
Please note the NRA’s complicity in this travesty.

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

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#2 Dec 24, 2007
dontknowy wrote:
Please note the NRA’s complicity in this travesty.
Well, all they are doing is driving the membership to the GOA. And that's good, because the GOA doesn't compromise.

But otherwise, the NRA has always been largely a shotgun boys club: Skeet and trap.

Anything else has largely been frowned upon as somehow not 'politically correct.'

Since: Sep 07

Fort Lauderdale, FL.

#3 Dec 24, 2007
We shall see how that goes.

Too many crazy "legal" gun owners out there.
gunzmith

London, KY

#6 Dec 24, 2007
as a former actor i dont trust him.never trust actors and texans.or for that matter never trust democrats and republicans or the nra.the nra are the ones that got this illegal concealed carry law passed in kentucky which is clearly unconstitutional.any law that abridges(to curtail) the right to carry a concealed firearm without being licenced is unconstitutional

“Shall NOT be infringed.”

Since: Dec 06

Phoenix, AZ.

#7 Dec 24, 2007
Fred Thompson’s Anti-Gun Senate Record

"The Conservatives Against Fred Thompson volunteers have compiled a list of proposals supported by Fred Dalton Thompson in the senate that include Gun Bans, confiscations and limitations to the free speech of Gun Rights Advocates. Dates and bill numbers are provided so this information can be easily verified. Summary:..."
http://conservativesagainstfred.wordpress.com...

Get yourself a cup of coffee, as Fred's Anti-Gun voting record is quite lengthy [and treasonous]....

“Shall NOT be infringed.”

Since: Dec 06

Phoenix, AZ.

#8 Dec 24, 2007
"Mr. DICKINSON. I will ask you whether or not this bill interferes in any way with the right of a person to keep and bear arms or his right to be secure in his person against unreasonable search; in other words, do you believe this bill is unconstitutional or that it violates any constitutional provision?"

- Congressman Clement C. Dickinson, Missouri. Questioning then NRA President Karl T. Frederick during Congressional hearings over the National Firearms Act of 1934 (H.R.9066). Which took place April 16 & 18 and May 14, 15, & 16 of 1934.[NRA President's Testimony During Congressional Debate of the National Firearms Act of 1934. Introduction by Angel Shamaya [former] Director at KeepAndBearArms.com ]
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/NRA/NFA.asp

"The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871."

—NRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth. NRA's American Rifleman Magazine, March 1968, P. 22.

"The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns.... NRA support of Federal gun legislation did not stop with the earlier Dodd bills. It currently backs several Senate and House bills which, through amendment, would put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts."

— American Rifleman, March 1968, P. 22 [NRA Supported the National Firearms Act of 1934, by Angel Shamaya, March 29, 2002.]
http://gunshowonthenet.com/AfterTheFact/NRAGu...

“...As a matter of official policy, NRA does not call for the BATF to be abolished. In fact, the Association does not object to many of the federal laws against violent criminal behavior committed with firearms that BATF is charged with enforcing. Since we support certain federal laws relative to firearms, it only stands to reason that we would not promote abolishing the federal agency tasked with enforcing those laws....”

“...Furthermore, it has long been NRA's position that a greater emphasis should be placed on enforcing existing laws that target violent gun crimes. In fact, NRA spent much of the eight years under Bill Clinton admonishing his Department of Justice for its failure to aggressively prosecute violent criminals who are caught violating federal gun laws. As part of that campaign, NRA began promoting the "Project Exile" prosecution model. In case you were not already aware, Project Exile is a cooperative effort between federal, state, and local law enforcement and prosecutors that calls for the full prosecution of violent gun crimes....”

- Amanda H. Millward, NRA-ILA Grassroots Division, Letter dated Nov. 20, 2006.
http://gunshowonthenet.com/AfterTheFact/jpfon...

“Shall NOT be infringed.”

Since: Dec 06

Phoenix, AZ.

#9 Dec 24, 2007
frankhou77 wrote:
We shall see how that goes.
Too many crazy "legal" gun owners out there.
Don't like We The People exercising our God-given, Inherent and Inalienable Right? You are welcome to move to communist China or Cuba. Or, perhaps you'd like Socialist Australia, Canada or England better?

As for me, and many other Americans, we desire to be Free and at Liberty. As was intended by the men that framed our Constitution. The means of ensuring that Freedom and Liberty is the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. As long as we retain that Right, we have a chance at retaining some semblance of Freedom. Don't like it? LEAVE...

“Shall NOT be infringed.”

Since: Dec 06

Phoenix, AZ.

#10 Dec 24, 2007
THIS is how are Right was INTENDED:

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government ... The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms..."

- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist #28.
http://gunshowonthenet.com/FederalistPapers/F...

"The opinion of the Federalist has always been considered as of great authority. It is a complete commentary on our Constitution; and is appealed to by all parties in the questions to which that instrument has given birth. Its intrinsic merit entitles it to this high rank; and the part two of its authors performed in framing the constitution, put it very much in their power to explain the views with which it was framed..."

- Chief Justice John Marshall, U.S. Supreme Court, Cohens v. Virginia (1821).
http://gunshowonthenet.com/2ALaw/CohensvVirgi...

"Also, the conditions and circumstances of the period require a finding that while the stated purpose of the right to arms was to secure a well-regulated militia, the right to self-defense was assumed by the Framers."

- John Marshall, U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice.[As quoted in Nunn v. State, 1 Ga. 243, 251 (1846); State v. Dawson, 272 N.C. 535, 159 S.E.2d 1, 9 (1968).]
http://gunshowonthenet.com/AfterTheFact/NunnV...

“Afforded us by God & Nature”
http://gunshowonthenet.com/2ALEGAL/AffordedGo...

“Agreed to found our Rights upon the Laws of Nature....”
http://gunshowonthenet.com/2ALaw/LawsofNature...

“...Which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them...”
http://gunshowonthenet.com/2ALaw/God&Natu...

Life, Liberty and Property
http://gunshowonthenet.com/2ALaw/LifeLibertyP...

George Washington: Concerning Arms in the hands of the People
http://gunshowonthenet.com/SecondAmend/George...

"the overruling law of self preservation"
http://gunshowonthenet.com/2ALEGAL/SelfPreser...

'for the common defence'(?)
http://gunshowonthenet.com/2ALEGAL/Precedent/...

"Rights of the citizen declared to be --"
http://gunshowonthenet.com/2ALEGAL/CitizensRi...

"The Right to Self Defense"
http://gunshowonthenet.com/AfterTheFact/Right...

"The right of self-defence never ceases. It is among the most sacred, and alike necessary to nations and to individuals."

- President James Monroe, Nov. 16, 1818 message to the U.S. House and Senate.[Journal of the Senate of the United States of America, November 17th, 1818.]
http://gunshowonthenet.com/AfterTheFact/Senat...

Right to Keep and Bear Arms - Historical Directories:

Origins
http://gunshowonthenet.com/2ALEGAL/Origins.ht...

Precedent
http://gunshowonthenet.com/2ALEGAL/Origins&am...

After The Fact
http://gunshowonthenet.com/AfterTheFact/Conte...

Amendment II and the Law
http://gunshowonthenet.com/2ALaw/Contents.htm...

"No, surely, No! they meant to drive us into what they termed rebellion, that they might be furnished with a pretext to disarm and then strip us of the rights and privileges of Englishmen and Citizens."

- George Washington, March 1, 1778 letter to Bryan Fairfax, Valley forge.
gunzmith

London, KY

#11 Dec 24, 2007
glad yall see the light.any laws limiting the bareing of arms by an american citizen is unconstitutional and the only licence you need to bear a concealed firearm is a copy of the bill of rights of the constitution of the united states and any law enforcement officer that violates his oath to guard the constitution by violating someones right to carry a firearm by asking him to show a licence to practice his second admendment right is a criminal.only jackbooted thugs violate the constitutional rights of american citizens.

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#12 Dec 25, 2007
gunzmith wrote:
.only jackbooted thugs violate the constitutional rights of american citizens.
You'll get no argument from me there!

Unfortunately, there are far TOO MANY jackbooted thugs in police uniforms who obey only the orders of their superiors, and ignore their sworn oath.

Remember: They work ONLY for their immediate supervisor.
It's as though they develop amnesia when given an order to violate their oath of office.

One wonders: How many of the members of a SWAT team actually ask to READ the warrant they are about to execute?

How many ask: Is this raid constitutional?
How many actually really give a damn?

How many of the jackboots really gave a damn when they shot Sammy Weaver in the back, murdering him?

We KNOW that Lon Horiuchi DIDN'T give a bloody damned when HE MURDERED Vicky Weaver.

We also know that he didn't give a BLOODY DAMN when he MURDERED the Branch Davidian members trying to escape the burning building, as they tried to exit the door closest to him.

Cops are —for the most part— automatons, robots.
I'd call them BORG, except they don't 'absorb' those whom they shoot to kill.
Actually anymore, they seem to enjoy murder —in the name of the state— with a passion, and screw the oath of office, as it's just some words on a piece of paper.
jack412

Adelaide, Australia

#13 Dec 25, 2007
GunShowOnTheNet wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't like We The People exercising our God-given, Inherent and Inalienable Right? You are welcome to move to communist China or Cuba. Or, perhaps you'd like Socialist Australia, Canada or England better?
As for me, and many other Americans, we desire to be Free and at Liberty. As was intended by the men that framed our Constitution. The means of ensuring that Freedom and Liberty is the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. As long as we retain that Right, we have a chance at retaining some semblance of Freedom. Don't like it? LEAVE...
hey gunnut..
no need to stop at australia canada and england...
the whole of the developed world has better gun control/safety laws
america is the odd one out

“Shall NOT be infringed.”

Since: Dec 06

Phoenix, AZ.

#14 Dec 25, 2007
jack412 wrote:
<quoted text>
hey gunnut..
no need to stop at australia canada and england...
the whole of the developed world has better gun control/safety laws
america is the odd one out
We wil get our freedom back. You fools already put the nooses around your necks and are slowly strangling. Only, you are too much of an effeminate coward to see it. But, see it you will.

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?..."

- Alexandr Solzhenitzyn, Author of "The Gulag Archepalego", addressing an audience at Harvard University, June 8, 1978.

“Shall NOT be infringed.”

Since: Dec 06

Phoenix, AZ.

#15 Dec 25, 2007
You'll be "burning" before too long. It is then that you'll realize that we weren't "nuts". It will then occur to you just how much of a fool that you really are....

“Those who trade essential Liberty for temporary security, deserve neither Liberty nor Security.”

- Benjamin Franklin.

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#18 Dec 25, 2007
jack412 wrote:
<quoted text>
hey gunnut..
no need to stop at australia canada and england...
the whole of the developed world has better gun control/safety laws
america is the odd one out
How many lawfully owned firearms were used in a crime this year?

Last year?

All prior years?

HOW MANY FIREARMS =WEREN'T= USED IN A CRIME TODAY?

HOW MANY FIREARMS =WERE= USED IN SELF-DEFENCE TODAY?

HOW MANY FIREARMS WERE CARRIED, BUT NOT NEEDED, BECAUSE CRIMINALS WERE AFRAID TO DECIDE WHO =WASN'T CARRYING ONE?
gunzmith

London, KY

#19 Dec 25, 2007
Highlander wrote:
<quoted text>
You'll get no argument from me there!
Unfortunately, there are far TOO MANY jackbooted thugs in police uniforms who obey only the orders of their superiors, and ignore their sworn oath.
Remember: They work ONLY for their immediate supervisor.
It's as though they develop amnesia when given an order to violate their oath of office.
One wonders: How many of the members of a SWAT team actually ask to READ the warrant they are about to execute?
How many ask: Is this raid constitutional?
How many actually really give a damn?
How many of the jackboots really gave a damn when they shot Sammy Weaver in the back, murdering him?
We KNOW that Lon Horiuchi DIDN'T give a bloody damned when HE MURDERED Vicky Weaver.
We also know that he didn't give a BLOODY DAMN when he MURDERED the Branch Davidian members trying to escape the burning building, as they tried to exit the door closest to him.
Cops are —for the most part— automatons, robots.
I'd call them BORG, except they don't 'absorb' those whom they shoot to kill.
Actually anymore, they seem to enjoy murder —in the name of the state— with a passion, and screw the oath of office, as it's just some words on a piece of paper.
i agree.it was a sad day for america when the american goverment decided they could burn down a church and murder the entire congragation just to prove they could violate the freedom of religion and the freedom of christians to bear arms and get away with it.and murder mr weavers wife and child just because he was practicing his second admendment right.their oath to the constitution and its bill of rights is a joke to most law enforcement people in the usa.im sure they get a big laugh as they are taking the oath.any law officier that takes the oath seriously and will obey it is a hero in my opinion.
gunzmith

London, KY

#20 Dec 25, 2007
jack412 wrote:
<quoted text>
hey gunnut..
no need to stop at australia canada and england...
the whole of the developed world has better gun control/safety laws
america is the odd one out
dont you wish you lived there.we wished you lived there too.

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#21 Dec 25, 2007
gunzmith wrote:
<quoted text>dont you wish you lived there.we wished you lived there too.
You know, the really hilarious point in all this, is that if HE were living here, his attitude would likely be 180º.

It's always the pretentious loudmouths that are like that.
If he were a sheep rancher in Montana, he'd very probably pack heat on a daily basis, just as most everybody else does.
Dinah

Monkton, MD

#22 Dec 25, 2007
I just wonder now HOW they are going to define
"post traumatic stress disorder".

Here's another question I have. Can CONGRESS pass a law that is unconstitutional?
Dinah

Monkton, MD

#23 Dec 25, 2007
gunzmith wrote:
glad yall see the light.any laws limiting the bareing of arms by an american citizen is unconstitutional and the only licence you need to bear a concealed firearm is a copy of the bill of rights of the constitution of the united states and any law enforcement officer that violates his oath to guard the constitution by violating someones right to carry a firearm by asking him to show a licence to practice his second admendment right is a criminal.only jackbooted thugs violate the constitutional rights of american citizens.
And I'm SURE they are thinking: Yeah. And WE make the laws. So what are YOU going to do about it?
Dinah

Monkton, MD

#24 Dec 25, 2007
jack412 wrote:
<quoted text>
hey gunnut..
no need to stop at australia canada and england...
the whole of the developed world has better gun control/safety laws
america is the odd one out
ENGLAND? Don't make me laugh. Checked out their news sites lately?

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