Last-minute wrangling on sweeping imm...

Last-minute wrangling on sweeping immigration bill Last-minute...

There are 107 comments on the USA Today story from Jun 24, 2013, titled Last-minute wrangling on sweeping immigration bill Last-minute.... In it, USA Today reports that:

An immigration bill that would have far-reaching implications is drawing a lot of last-minute controversy before a Monday evening vote An immigration bill that would have far-reaching implications is drawing a lot of last-minute controversy before a Monday evening vote The Senate is scheduled to vote on an immigration amendment introduced by Sen.

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Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#62 Jun 26, 2013
kuda wrote:
Who would dare wrangle to be in the wrong side of history? I know, you might consider it a dumb question, but I prefer to be characterized simply as rhetorical. While the immediate reward for being on the wrong side of history might be the highly coveted approval and political endorsement of old white guys and the women who inexplicably insist on supporting them (you know — the South-shall-rise-again / two-guns-in-every-garage / masturbating-male-fetuses crowd), the downside is unsustainable political relevance. Hispanic American voters know a poisoned bill when they see one and don’t take kindly to politicians who vote against their interests.
Blocking the growth in Hispanic American voters is at best shortsighted, but realistically foolish. Still, the name of their game is still to try to block the immigration of political adversaries in the making, making it inconvenient or impractical or impossible for political adversaries to vote and blatant gerrymandering.
The question is which side of history will be wrong. Both sides today admit that the 1986 amnesty was a failure. That is the main reason people are calling for reform today. The problem is "reform" does not mean doing again what history has proven to not work. In 25 years whebn we have 50 million illegal aliens and they are crying for amnesty what will we do?
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#63 Jun 26, 2013
chicagonut wrote:
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I see, so? Yeah, a race based one just because most illegals are ethnically like themselves and think our politicians should thumb their noses at our laws for their ethnic group and you think that's ok and not racist in itself?
I don’t believe that “supporting and defending illegal aliens is a Hispanic interest,” as you have interpreted my post. I do believe that Hispanic US citizens are unlikely to vote for political candidates who represent anti-Hispanic prejudice, since it shows their unwillingness to demonstrate compassion for their fellow Hispanics.

If it is racist to identify with people who are like us, as is human nature, then perhaps we’re all racists. However, I believe that it’s pride in the group rather than racism if it doesn’t result in discrimination against other members of the group.

Thanks for encouraging me to clarify my position.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#64 Jun 26, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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The question is which side of history will be wrong. Both sides today admit that the 1986 amnesty was a failure. That is the main reason people are calling for reform today. The problem is "reform" does not mean doing again what history has proven to not work. In 25 years whebn we have 50 million illegal aliens and they are crying for amnesty what will we do?
Success vs. failure is a dichotomy, a black and white, all or none, way of viewing our analog universe with a continuum of possible outcomes. I’m not aware that “both sides”(another dichotomy of extreme cases)“admit” to such failure. How often are we blessed with anything that turns out to be a resounding success?

Hopefully, it will not take us 25 years to reform immigration so that we can more smoothly assimilate immigrants so that there will not be so many “crying for amnesty.”

I believe the GOP is on the path to the wrong side of history. I take no pleasure in their self-destructive course, but I do see them alienating huge groups of constituents in an effort to please their current masters. They acknowledge that they need to stop alienating them and make an effort to “appear” less hostile, but they keep doing it. Sadly, they’re resorting to trickery to block voters and gerrymander voting districts. The problem is that it’s no secret. It’s embarrassing.
See the Light

United States

#65 Jun 26, 2013
kuda wrote:
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A heathen is a person who does not belong to a widely held religion (esp. one who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim) as regarded by those who do. Republican is a political party, not a religion, even though its fundamental Christian extremist faction might prefer to make the US a severe theocracy by forcing its values as laws on everyone else.
By the way, when have the “we” to whom you refer ever “caved into” heathens? Willingness to negotiate would be a good start.
Liberal's all behave like heathens. Republicans seem to cave in to the wants of the Democrappers.

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#66 Jun 27, 2013
Dead bill walking.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#67 Jun 27, 2013
Perhaps that really is the best you can do. Eschew obfuscation.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#68 Jun 27, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
<quoted text>
Too bad. The cons have quite a repartee concerning this President over the last 5 years. TS Sherlock.
Which of Obama's scandals of the 8 scandals do you like best pookie.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#69 Jun 27, 2013
kuda wrote:
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I don’t believe that “supporting and defending illegal aliens is a Hispanic interest,” as you have interpreted my post. I do believe that Hispanic US citizens are unlikely to vote for political candidates who represent anti-Hispanic prejudice, since it shows their unwillingness to demonstrate compassion for their fellow Hispanics.
If it is racist to identify with people who are like us, as is human nature, then perhaps we’re all racists. However, I believe that it’s pride in the group rather than racism if it doesn’t result in discrimination against other members of the group.
Thanks for encouraging me to clarify my position.
If voting one's voters wishes is against the legal hispanics, they are here under false pretenses, plus rewarding someone that's first act in the coutry was a crime, that of entering the country illegally doesn't need a free ride unleess we are going to do the same with our citizens and open the prison doors.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#70 Jun 27, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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The question is which side of history will be wrong. Both sides today admit that the 1986 amnesty was a failure. That is the main reason people are calling for reform today. The problem is "reform" does not mean doing again what history has proven to not work. In 25 years whebn we have 50 million illegal aliens and they are crying for amnesty what will we do?
Remember the Alamo.
See the Light

United States

#71 Jun 27, 2013
I have no doubt that this racist Bill wi8ll pass in the Senate. After all its led by Demeocrappers who want nothing more than to keep destroying America.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#72 Jun 27, 2013
See the Light wrote:
I have no doubt that this racist Bill wi8ll pass in the Senate. After all its led by Demeocrappers who want nothing more than to keep destroying America.
They want to keep their power. A quiet coup is the only way they can do it. The liberals made certain that the Greatest Generation was gone before attempting this marxis action. They would have thaken them and frog marched their ass out of the halls of congress.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#73 Jun 27, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
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Sure comic books.
Don't project your ignorance onto me, boy.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#74 Jun 27, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Which of Obama's scandals of the 8 scandals do you like best pookie.
They're all funny as hell.:)

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#75 Jun 27, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Remember the Alamo.
Free silver! Fifty-four Forty or Fight!

LOL

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#76 Jun 27, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>They want to keep their power. A quiet coup is the only way they can do it. The liberals made certain that the Greatest Generation was gone [sic] before attempting this marxis [sic] action. They would have thaken [sic] them and frog marched their ass [sic] out of the halls of congress.
You and 'See' are two of the dumbest, craziest, most wacked-out Rightie loons I've ever seen, anywhere.

I have to think you're both senile, or off your meds...

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#77 Jun 27, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
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They're all funny as hell.:)
Oh my, you're pleading the 5th as well I see.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#78 Jun 27, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
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You and 'See' are two of the dumbest, craziest, most wacked-out Rightie loons I've ever seen, anywhere.
I have to think you're both senile, or off your meds...
BUYER'S REMORSE: Obama approval rating drops to 40% in Ohio...*
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#79 Jun 27, 2013
kuda wrote:
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Success vs. failure is a dichotomy, a black and white, all or none, way of viewing our analog universe with a continuum of possible outcomes. I’m not aware that “both sides”(another dichotomy of extreme cases)“admit” to such failure. How often are we blessed with anything that turns out to be a resounding success?
Hopefully, it will not take us 25 years to reform immigration so that we can more smoothly assimilate immigrants so that there will not be so many “crying for amnesty.”
I believe the GOP is on the path to the wrong side of history. I take no pleasure in their self-destructive course, but I do see them alienating huge groups of constituents in an effort to please their current masters. They acknowledge that they need to stop alienating them and make an effort to “appear” less hostile, but they keep doing it. Sadly, they’re resorting to trickery to block voters and gerrymander voting districts. The problem is that it’s no secret. It’s embarrassing.
While I agree that the Republicans have alienated groups of people based on their “moral” beliefs that directly conflict with conservative political beliefs the immigration issue or more correctly the amnesty issue is not from the anti-amnesty side based on racism but common sense. It is the pro-illegal side that has made it a racial issue. The desire to keep criminals out of the country, reduce crime, allow all Americans to make a livable wage, decrease unemployment and poverty do not make a person a racist.
Personally I am pro-choice, support gay marriage, for keeping religion, all religion out of school and many other things that I feel are directly in line with a conservative political philosophy. The fact that right wing Republicans are opposed to those things does bother me but none of those issues will have a more detrimental effect on me, my family or future generations than granting amnesty to millions of illegal aliens and inviting even more people to come here and undercut wages and decrease the quality of life for all Americans. I will do what I can to prevent such a greedy and ill conceived law from being enacted. Even if it means voting Republican.
Being against amnesty and open borders is not anti-Hispanic but supporting such things is anti-American because it does not serve the interests of this country or it people.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#80 Jun 27, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Oh my, you're pleading the 5th as well I see.
Mocking, actually. Try reading for meaning once in awhile, tool.
See the Light

United States

#81 Jun 27, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
<quoted text>
While I agree that the Republicans have alienated groups of people based on their “moral” beliefs that directly conflict with conservative political beliefs the immigration issue or more correctly the amnesty issue is not from the anti-amnesty side based on racism but common sense. It is the pro-illegal side that has made it a racial issue. The desire to keep criminals out of the country, reduce crime, allow all Americans to make a livable wage, decrease unemployment and poverty do not make a person a racist.
Personally I am pro-choice, support gay marriage, for keeping religion, all religion out of school and many other things that I feel are directly in line with a conservative political philosophy. The fact that right wing Republicans are opposed to those things does bother me but none of those issues will have a more detrimental effect on me, my family or future generations than granting amnesty to millions of illegal aliens and inviting even more people to come here and undercut wages and decrease the quality of life for all Americans. I will do what I can to prevent such a greedy and ill conceived law from being enacted. Even if it means voting Republican.
Being against amnesty and open borders is not anti-Hispanic but supporting such things is anti-American because it does not serve the interests of this country or it people.
Actually I say on here that Gays are imoral, but that doesn't mean that I hate them. I think their life style is wrong, but if they don't fear God's rath, well thats up to them. Immigration bothers me a whole lot more. Millions of people who snuck into this Country, draining us dry financialy committing criminal acts, taking away benefits mean't for American Citizen's, and taking away jobs. Did you know that with Obamacare, they're not supposed to have it, so employers won't have to provide ins.or pay a fine. That means a lot of real Americans will lose their jobs.This bill will pass the Senate of course,but if it passes the house America is America no more. We have been taken over by Mexicans.

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