BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187970 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>No, due process is used if I don't pay my personal property taxes, and yes due process is used if the tenants on my personal property do not pay their rent, but it hasn't ever gone that far.
Just as I said, you get evicted after due process if you don't pay your rent to the government, same with your tenants, they get evicted after due process if they don't pay their rent.

if you really owned your land you wouldn't need to pay rent to the government.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Due process is required to evict you if you don't pay your rent to the government. Due process is also required to evict a tenant from an apartment.
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187971 Apr 5, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
That was your point? Is that a joke?
"nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
Now where does Mr. TeaHead see "the right to hold property shall not be infringed" in the 14th Amendment? If you don't pay your rent to the state, you'll get your due process before they kick you off their land. Hee hee.
<quoted text>
Sorry, wojar!! You lost this one.

Full Definition of PROPERTY

1

a : a quality or trait belonging and especially peculiar to an individual or thing

b : an effect that an object has on another object or on the senses

c : virtue 3

d : an attribute common to all members of a class

2

a : something owned or possessed; specifically : a piece of real estate

b : the exclusive right to possess, enjoy, and dispose of a thing : ownership

c : something to which a person or business has a legal title

d : one (as a performer) who is under contract and whose work is especially valuable

e : a book or script purchased for publication or production

3

: an article or object used in a play or motion picture except painted scenery and costumes

I really like 2b!!!

NEXT!!!!
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187972 Apr 5, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently Mr. Teahead cannot comprehend the meaning of "or by their elected agents under a free electoral system."
Do the Congress and President not exercise their power as the elected agents of the people under a free electoral system?
<quoted text>
The three branches of government do as they see fit, your input is of no value.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#187973 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! When did this nation become a democracy? You and I both know we are a Constitutional Republic.
I find it amusing to hear people refer to the US as being a democracy, and I also find it amusing to hear people refer to US citizens as American citizens.
You're a Constitutional Republic AND a democracy . Geezzzzz

The UK, Canada, Australia, etc are monarchies. Yet, they are democracies. Good Lord. Talk about not "getting it".

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187974 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, wojar!! You lost this one.
Full Definition of PROPERTY
1
a : a quality or trait belonging and especially peculiar to an individual or thing
b : an effect that an object has on another object or on the senses
c : virtue 3
d : an attribute common to all members of a class
2
a : something owned or possessed; specifically : a piece of real estate
b : the exclusive right to possess, enjoy, and dispose of a thing : ownership
c : something to which a person or business has a legal title
d : one (as a performer) who is under contract and whose work is especially valuable
e : a book or script purchased for publication or production
3
: an article or object used in a play or motion picture except painted scenery and costumes
I really like 2b!!!
NEXT!!!!
And Mr. TeaHead thinks that's the 14th amendment?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
That was your point? Is that a joke?
"nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
Now where does Mr. TeaHead see "the right to hold property shall not be infringed" in the 14th Amendment? If you don't pay your rent to the state, you'll get your due process before they kick you off their land. Hee hee.
<quoted text>

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187975 Apr 5, 2014
The law of property is the law of proprietary rights in rem, the law of proprietary rights in personam being distinguished from it as the law of obligations.-Black's Law Dictionary

Yup, it's about RIGHTS WHICH ARE GRANTED BY THE government.

If you don't pay your rent to the government, they will evict you, Mr. TeaHead.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187976 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>The three branches of government do as they see fit, your input is of no value.
Where does Mr. TeaHead see "input" of "value" in "or by their elected agents under a free electoral system."

Eh?

Do the Congress and President not exercise their power as the elected agents of the people under a free electoral system?

A simple yes or no will do.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently Mr. Teahead cannot comprehend the meaning of "or by their elected agents under a free electoral system."
Do the Congress and President not exercise their power as the elected agents of the people under a free electoral system?
<quoted text>
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187977 Apr 5, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You're a Constitutional Republic AND a democracy . Geezzzzz
The UK, Canada, Australia, etc are monarchies. Yet, they are democracies. Good Lord. Talk about not "getting it".
No, a democracy is rule of majority, that would be 51%.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#187978 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>No, a democracy is rule of majority, that would be 51%.
And your point is?
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187979 Apr 5, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Where does Mr. TeaHead see "input" of "value" in "or by their elected agents under a free electoral system."
Eh?
Do the Congress and President not exercise their power as the elected agents of the people under a free electoral system?
A simple yes or no will do.
<quoted text>
Don't you understand, you haven't any vote in congress, they vote as they see fit.
How did you like the way I snookered you on property! I just did it on the democracy thingy!!!
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187980 Apr 5, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
And your point is?
Don't act stupid!

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#187981 Apr 5, 2014
Jacques,
I think that 51% may mean Mob Rules.
Mob Rules.
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187982 Apr 5, 2014
wojar wrote:
The law of property is the law of proprietary rights in rem, the law of proprietary rights in personam being distinguished from it as the law of obligations.-Black's Law Dictionary
Yup, it's about RIGHTS WHICH ARE GRANTED BY THE government.
If you don't pay your rent to the government, they will evict you, Mr. TeaHead.
LMAO!! Still doesn't change the fact that my personal property belongs to me, makes no difference if is land, guns, cars, cows, pigs, chickens, houses, boats or planes.
I do see where you are going with your debate, to you if this government goes socialist, I haven't lost anything, since I didn't own it anyway. WRONG!!!!
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187983 Apr 5, 2014
Wojar, I am very surprised you didn't catch the difference between personal property and private property, make no difference, I own both!!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187984 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!! Still doesn't change the fact that my personal property belongs to me, makes no difference if is land, guns, cars, cows, pigs, chickens, houses, boats or planes. I do see where you are going with your debate, to you if this government goes socialist, I haven't lost anything, since I didn't own it anyway. WRONG!!!!
The government can charge you rent for your car just as well as your land.

Mr TeaHead does not know where this so called debate is going because he has the intellect of a snail. I could break the break the proposition that property tax is rent in five seconds but Mr. Teahead is still tied up in knots.
wojar wrote:
The law of property is the law of proprietary rights in rem, the law of proprietary rights in personam being distinguished from it as the law of obligations.-Black's Law Dictionary
Yup, it's about RIGHTS WHICH ARE GRANTED BY THE government.
If you don't pay your rent to the government, they will evict you, Mr. TeaHead.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187985 Apr 6, 2014
Teahad wrote:
Wojar, I am very surprised you didn't catch the difference between personal property and private property, make no difference, I own both!!
As noted above it makes no difference, the government can charge your rent for your car, your plane, even your chickens.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187986 Apr 6, 2014
ownership.(16c) The bundle of rights allowing one to use, manage, and enjoy property, including the right to convey it to others.

Black's Law Dictionary

There it is again, "bundle of rights".

"A thing is owned by me when my claim to it is maintained by the will of the state as expressed in the law; "John Salmond, Jurisprudence 311 (Glanville L. Williams ed., 10th ed. 1947

Ownership is only yours so long as it is maintained by the will of the state.

“Opinionated Redhead”

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#187988 Apr 6, 2014
I hope I don't make myself look stupid by responding here but I saw the headline and im just really sick and tired of this shit
dude and dudettes
its law its healthcare
its not going to be repealed 55 votes and counting
sweet jesus he was born in Hawaii
he had a black daddy and a white mommy
get the fuck over it already
hes been our president for years and hes done damn good under the situation that hes had to serve under
im proud of him
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187989 Apr 6, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The government can charge you rent for your car just as well as your land.
Mr TeaHead does not know where this so called debate is going because he has the intellect of a snail. I could break the break the proposition that property tax is rent in five seconds but Mr. Teahead is still tied up in knots.
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! The government can charge me personal property tax on my car, but only if it is registered.
Hell, you don't know the difference between personal property and private property, if I were you I would quit before I lost anymore ground.
LMAO!!! The only thing you could break the break the other six pax out. What's wrong, did your tongue get over your eye tooth?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187990 Apr 6, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>Don't you understand, you haven't any vote in congress, they vote as they see fit.
How did you like the way I snookered you on property! I just did it on the democracy thingy!!!
Now when did I say I have a vote in Congress? Are you daft?

democracy 1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language

Do the Congress and President not exercise their power as the elected agents of the people under a free electoral system?

A simple yes or no will do.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Where does Mr. TeaHead see "input" of "value" in "or by their elected agents under a free electoral system."
Eh?
Do the Congress and President not exercise their power as the elected agents of the people under a free electoral system?
A simple yes or no will do.

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