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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#98052 Aug 8, 2012
Conservative girl wrote:
<quoted text>Sweetie they were our Founders and wrote letters to one another regarding their resolve to exclude dual citizens eligibility to become President or VP. Even Bingham the father of the 14th amendment concluded the same thing.
They were not concerned about THEIR loyality but future generations.
As to Arthur, he did in fact conceal and destroy proof of his dual citizenship, it is an historical fact.
Those folks who stand and take an oath and become naturalized American citizens are never nautral born Americans eligible to become VP or President. But they are afforded all other rights of American citizenship. Their children do indeed become Natural Born Citizens eligible to become President/VP.
Same thing with Obama's kids, they are natural born citizens.
Provided he ever got around to the Naturalization process after his Indonesian citizenship.
Apparently as in the past, today Some Americans do not care about what makes a Nautral Born American citizen, nor do they care what the Founders intent was on tht issue, and are eager to put forth any scenerio of defense for their false prince.
Answer: If you can find a letter saying anything like: "Let us exclude dual citizens," then please post it. You will not be able to find one. Nor an article. If there were such a letter or an article, it would have been found long ago--but please go ahead and try. Surely if the writers of the Constitution had meant to exclude dual citizens (like Jefferson and Madison and Woodrow Wilson and Eisenhower), they would have told us.

Re Bingham:

Bingham ALSO SAID:

“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”

It seems that by 1869 he had changed his mind from what he said in 1866.

Re Arthur "hid." No evidence of his hiding whatsoever.

Obama was never an Indonesian Citizen as a call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm.

Every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen.

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_cit...

And:

http://www.redstate.com/ironchapman/2012/05/2...

And:

http://naturalborncitizenshipresearch.blogspo...

And:

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...

And, for those who think that this is only recent conclusions and hence revisionist, there is this from 1829:

“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed.(1829)
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#98053 Aug 8, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You're a clown. There's this little branch of our Government called the IRS, ever heard of them? If it was plain as day, they would have caught it. Now, don't you agree?
There are a lot of other things to hide besides merely not paying accurate taxes, and the evidence is that Mitt is hiding a lot of things. In particular, his Massachusetts records. Why is he hiding that?

“WestieLover”

Since: Apr 12

The city that I reside

#98054 Aug 8, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Videos can be forged, and this one was.
Re Obama's "real daddy". You have no evidence. You are simply speculating. So both Obama's father and Davis were black. So both of them were in Hawaii at the time. Turns out that there were a whole lot of White guys in Michigan nine months before Mitt Romney was born. Who is Mitt Romney's real father?!?
Why would Stanley have her father bring Barry to see Frank Marshall White each week? Yes he was a black man, but he was also a Communist member of the Communist Party USA, and on the FBI's surveillance list until the day he died, and continued to be involved in the movement in Hawaii and Chicago. He was also broght before Congress on his activities and associations with the Communist Party.
Why would they allow their grandson to visit a man like that if there was no relationship?
Ask yourself why would his grandparents allow Barry to visit and go to Marxist gatherings as a youth, Obama refers to just that in his book, Dreams Of My Father?
It cannot be cast aside tht there is not some connection, as the videos of a nude Stanley Ann Dunham, which Frank posted in magazines, and also wrote of a illicit relationship with a underage girl named Annie adds more credance to his place in Barack and Stanley's life.
Could it be that Stanley and her parents were concerned of a revelation of a known Communist who'd been hauled before Congress on his activities, Frank Marshall Davis, who may have knocked up the underaged Stanley Ann. And who may have instead chose the goat herder Russian language student as a cover. They never lived together. Two weeks after Obama was born, she was off to Washington State U with him. Obama Sr stayed in Hawaii for a period of time and then went off to Harvard.
Back in that time period, getting pregnant and not married was looked down on, and involvment with a black person was a problem too.
What would Obama Sr. get out of such an arrangement you ask? Possibly a easier avenue to furthering his education in the mainland, an unrestricted visa and maybe even citizenship too ....Harvard.
We know he went on to Harvard, but deceided to go back to Kenya to his family. All this just adds to the unansered questions of just who Barack Obama...Barry really is???

“WestieLover”

Since: Apr 12

The city that I reside

#98055 Aug 8, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
There are a lot of other things to hide besides merely not paying accurate taxes, and the evidence is that Mitt is hiding a lot of things. In particular, his Massachusetts records. Why is he hiding that?
The only thing he is withholding are complicated tax forms that he pays big bucks for a pristine company to prepare. Forms that many lay people would not understand, but leftist shills would love to pick at and distort projecting more of he's not paying his fair share!

If the Left is so interesting in taxes and the 1% paying their fair share,(which they already do), look no further than Jeffery Emmelt, CEO of General Electric.
He's Obamas friend, and head of his jobs counsel...what a joke!
GE doesn't pay any taxes, and heavily outsources jobs. But he is the standard bearer for keeping jobs in America? Hahahahahaha.
That is a joke, just like Obama is a cruel joke pitted upon America, and who is chipping away at it's greatness each day he resides in the White House.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#98057 Aug 8, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
There are a lot of other things to hide besides merely not paying accurate taxes, and the evidence is that Mitt is hiding a lot of things. In particular, his Massachusetts records. Why is he hiding that?
Just to tick you off would be my guess. It's hard ball politics. Omama's only known style. Why doesn't he run on what he has done for the country? Oh yea, he hasn't done one positive thing for us. Hence, all he can do is to attack his opponents. He's been known to do this before and ruin careers in the process. Open your eyes and look at the facts! We've been sold out and the people are getting madder and madder. Expect more tragic events to occur.

“WestieLover”

Since: Apr 12

The city that I reside

#98058 Aug 8, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I have shown you an image of the long form BC on which the seal can be seen if you look closely.
How about you explaining why someone would forge a birth certificate on which all the facts are EXACTLY the same as on the one in the files, and the officials in the state said that they sent him a BC? Why if someone has a BC and all the facts on it are the same as in the files would he forge another one? The physical copy of the long form birth certificate was in fact scanned, and only birther "experts"--who have not shown that they are experts and who certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial--claim that there has been manipulation. They are laughed at by such Conservative leaders as Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review.
And, in fact, the statement of the officials that they have a BC for Obama in their files is sufficient. It was accepted as evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii by the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona. In addition to the birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials, Obama's birth in Hawaii is also shown by the Index Data and the birth notices that were sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only by the DOH since the section was called "Health Bureau Statistics"), and the DOH did not send out birth notices except for children who were born in Hawaii.
The Az Secy of State took the State of Hawaii's word for they having a birth certificate. They did not affirm that the copy presented to them, matched what was in file.
What they had could likely be a B.C. generated by interested parties who showed proof of paying Hawaii taxes, and requested a B.C. for Barack Obama saying he was born in Hawaii, and not having to prove that he was. The State of Hawaii will issue such a B.C. after the applicant shows proof of taxes, and says the person in qwuestion was born in Hawaii.
The State of Hawaii will not challenge it, they assume the applicant is being truthful.
Obama, his legal counsel could obtain such a Birth Certificate.
He could prove paying taxes as a youth in Hawaii...Baskin Robbins.
That would meet the criteria for Hawaii to comply.
And there are many eager employees in the State of Hawaii who would fall on the sword for me.
As to Ann Coulter and others sees the matter as a distraction from the issue of getting Obama out of the White House.
I too think it is. That nothing will change on this matter until he is gone. That the most important thing is for Obama to be defeated. There is plenty of time later to strip him of his former title,perks, and ultimately prove his dishonoring of the Presidency.

“WestieLover”

Since: Apr 12

The city that I reside

#98059 Aug 8, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you prepared to be labelled a supporter of an imposter? Anyone with any sense at all can see this guy is hiding something. Plain as day. Except for the extremely dumbazzedbytches. Oh, who gives a shat what you think? Not I.
I believe Romney should tell Obama and his shills, disclose Obama's application records at Occidental College, Columbia, College, Harvard, all his thesis at those universities, and his passport records from the age of 10 forward, the original social security application on file with SSA bearing who the original applicant was concerning the Social which Obama and another person has used for decades. Two people cannot have the same Social.
Present all that documentation, and I think Mitt would provide another tax year, maybe more. He's not obligated, and all it will prove, is that Mitt Romney was a successful business man, made a lot of money, and that he is the perfect person to get the American economy out of the ditch that Obama keeps making deeper.
All the Obama campaign wants is more fodder to twist about, and conjure up falsehoods as Romney not paying his "fair share".
He is a millionaire, so what? We all would like to be one. That is Capitalism, and the American Dream folks.
Obama is a man caught up in the idealogy of class warfare, class envy, social justice, redistribution of other peoples wealth.
From his perspective, they didn't make it on their own, the government, and others made that happen.
Reject Obama and his false narrative that spits in the face of the American Dream and our Constitution. He is bad for America, and is undeserving of another term.
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#98060 Aug 8, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
There are a lot of other things to hide besides merely not paying accurate taxes, and the evidence is that Mitt is hiding a lot of things. In particular, his Massachusetts records. Why is he hiding that?
Ellen1.

Perhaps its because the issue is superfluous. It was bad enough that our "conservative" friends gave up the use of language to the Godless revolutionary element.*(now in power)* Let us hope that what remains of the "conservative" movement don't abandon the terms of the electoral process as well.

Ronald

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#98061 Aug 8, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Videos can be forged, and this one was.
Re Obama's "real daddy". You have no evidence. You are simply speculating. So both Obama's father and Davis were black. So both of them were in Hawaii at the time. Turns out that there were a whole lot of White guys in Michigan nine months before Mitt Romney was born. Who is Mitt Romney's real father?!?
Well, Ellen...unless that video was faked by CNN, FOX, MSNBC etc.
You are lieing again.

A simple challenge for you.
The presidets speeches are very well documented. It is impossible for it not to be on the net.
Post the link of the "real" speech.
PROVE he didn't say his "Father served in WWII"
Neither of his two daddys were in WWII.

When coincedence lines up over and over and over...it forms a pattern.
Frank Marshall Davis was Barrack's "mentor" from the time his parents dumped him in Hawaii to the time he was a communtiy organizer in Chicago.

Are you telling me this guy who was just "a friend of his grandfather" followed him around his entire life?
**********
Again from Forbes magazine....

Davis offered Obama advice at several life-changing levels: on race, on college, on women, on his mind, on his attitudes, on life, on the very notion of what Davis himself called “fundamental change.” In his memoirs, Obama features 22 direct references to “Frank” by name. Davis became a part of Obama’s life and mind, by Obama’s own extended recounting, from Hawaii—the site of multiple visits and late evenings together—to Los Angeles to Chicago to Germany to Africa, from adolescence to college to community organizing. When Obama arrived in Chicago to find himself professionally and politically—just as Frank Marshall Davis himself had once done in the 1930s—Obama literally visualized Davis, pictured him. He thought first of “Frank.”
**********

Doesn't really help that Barrack looks exactly like the guy.

Doesn't help that this is the same Frank Marshall Davis that was taking vintage fetish pictures of her.

But I am probably lieing about that too, right?

Guess again.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/your-...

You keep doing the "what about mitt's daddy" thing with me.

Last time.
I don't give a shit if Mitt's dad was a marxist, racist pornographer like Obama's was.

MITT is not the President.

God willing neither of them will be.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#98062 Aug 8, 2012
Conservative girl wrote:
<quoted text>Why would Stanley have her father bring Barry to see Frank Marshall White each week? Yes he was a black man, but he was also a Communist member of the Communist Party USA, and on the FBI's surveillance list until the day he died, and continued to be involved in the movement in Hawaii and Chicago. He was also broght before Congress on his activities and associations with the Communist Party.
Why would they allow their grandson to visit a man like that if there was no relationship?
Ask yourself why would his grandparents allow Barry to visit and go to Marxist gatherings as a youth, Obama refers to just that in his book, Dreams Of My Father?
It cannot be cast aside tht there is not some connection, as the videos of a nude Stanley Ann Dunham, which Frank posted in magazines, and also wrote of a illicit relationship with a underage girl named Annie adds more credance to his place in Barack and Stanley's life.
Could it be that Stanley and her parents were concerned of a revelation of a known Communist who'd been hauled before Congress on his activities, Frank Marshall Davis, who may have knocked up the underaged Stanley Ann. And who may have instead chose the goat herder Russian language student as a cover. They never lived together. Two weeks after Obama was born, she was off to Washington State U with him. Obama Sr stayed in Hawaii for a period of time and then went off to Harvard.
Back in that time period, getting pregnant and not married was looked down on, and involvment with a black person was a problem too.
What would Obama Sr. get out of such an arrangement you ask? Possibly a easier avenue to furthering his education in the mainland, an unrestricted visa and maybe even citizenship too ....Harvard.
We know he went on to Harvard, but deceided to go back to Kenya to his family. All this just adds to the unansered questions of just who Barack Obama...Barry really is???
Speculation. Mere speculation. The name of the father on Obama's birth certificate is Obama senior. The name of the father on Mitt Romney's birth certificate is George Romney. There is not a shred of evidence that the real father is any different.
Justus Liebig

Rocky Hill, CT

#98063 Aug 8, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
4) I address the alcohol in aviation fuel in another posting. The water that is suspends will freeze and clog the fuel system. If you are in a car and your engine quits, you park on the side of the road. If you are in a plane and your engine quits, you do NOT park on a cloud!!!
You actually made a fool of yourself thinking jet fuel synthesized from isobutanol contained added alcohol, "endangering" our military. Dastardly Dems!

Do you remember putting your foot in your mouth?
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#98064 Aug 8, 2012
Why does Obama's pal Harry Reid wear foreign manufactured clothing?

Ronald
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#98065 Aug 8, 2012
Conservative girl wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe Romney should tell Obama and his shills, disclose Obama's application records at Occidental College, Columbia, College, Harvard, all his thesis at those universities, and his passport records from the age of 10 forward, the original social security application on file with SSA bearing who the original applicant was concerning the Social which Obama and another person has used for decades. Two people cannot have the same Social.
Present all that documentation, and I think Mitt would provide another tax year, maybe more. He's not obligated, and all it will prove, is that Mitt Romney was a successful business man, made a lot of money, and that he is the perfect person to get the American economy out of the ditch that Obama keeps making deeper.
All the Obama campaign wants is more fodder to twist about, and conjure up falsehoods as Romney not paying his "fair share".
He is a millionaire, so what? We all would like to be one. That is Capitalism, and the American Dream folks.
Obama is a man caught up in the idealogy of class warfare, class envy, social justice, redistribution of other peoples wealth.
From his perspective, they didn't make it on their own, the government, and others made that happen.
Reject Obama and his false narrative that spits in the face of the American Dream and our Constitution. He is bad for America, and is undeserving of another term.
I believe that if Romney discloses those things then Obama should too, but not before. And Romney hasn't.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#98066 Aug 8, 2012
Conservative girl wrote:
<quoted text>Why would Stanley have her father bring Barry to see Frank Marshall White each week? Yes he was a black man, but he was also a Communist member of the Communist Party USA, and on the FBI's surveillance list until the day he died, and continued to be involved in the movement in Hawaii and Chicago. He was also broght before Congress on his activities and associations with the Communist Party.
Why would they allow their grandson to visit a man like that if there was no relationship?
Ask yourself why would his grandparents allow Barry to visit and go to Marxist gatherings as a youth, Obama refers to just that in his book, Dreams Of My Father?
It cannot be cast aside tht there is not some connection, as the videos of a nude Stanley Ann Dunham, which Frank posted in magazines, and also wrote of a illicit relationship with a underage girl named Annie adds more credance to his place in Barack and Stanley's life.
Could it be that Stanley and her parents were concerned of a revelation of a known Communist who'd been hauled before Congress on his activities, Frank Marshall Davis, who may have knocked up the underaged Stanley Ann. And who may have instead chose the goat herder Russian language student as a cover. They never lived together. Two weeks after Obama was born, she was off to Washington State U with him. Obama Sr stayed in Hawaii for a period of time and then went off to Harvard.
Back in that time period, getting pregnant and not married was looked down on, and involvment with a black person was a problem too.
What would Obama Sr. get out of such an arrangement you ask? Possibly a easier avenue to furthering his education in the mainland, an unrestricted visa and maybe even citizenship too ....Harvard.
We know he went on to Harvard, but deceided to go back to Kenya to his family. All this just adds to the unansered questions of just who Barack Obama...Barry really is???
^^^What she said!
Frank Marshall Davis IS Obama's daddy.
That is what he is hiding on his REAL certificate.

THAT makes him American.
It also makes him a liar on many levels.

He is ACTIVELY deceiving the people (especially YOU!)
I would guess his college financers would be more than pissed.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#98068 Aug 8, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Speculation. Mere speculation. The name of the father on Obama's birth certificate is Obama senior. The name of the father on Mitt Romney's birth certificate is George Romney. There is not a shred of evidence that the real father is any different.
Obama's is fake.

When you look outside and see a large white streak on your windsheild is it speculation that a bird shit on your car?

Or do you need to poke around in it to make sure?

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#98070 Aug 8, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe that if Romney discloses those things then Obama should too, but not before. And Romney hasn't.
Obama is the president.
Mitt isn't.
Justus Liebig

Rocky Hill, CT

#98071 Aug 8, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
3. Research by private companies without proper govt checks is dangerous because for-profit companies will NOT apply due diligence. How often that has been proven. Research on stem cells is necessary and don't throw the bible at us on that. Stem cells in 33 AD? Wat dat? Research at universities has proven that this method is way ahead of private research. Said research at univ is indirectly funded by taxpayers, is honest and has checks and should be further encouraged;
Totally ignorant.

Basic research is too expensive for private industry.

Basic research is responsible for elucidation of DNA, for PCR reaction (think DNA testing), combinatorial chemistry (which revolutionized drug discovery in the pharma industry), etc., etc., etc. Big pharma is getting into personalized medicine based on genomics, which got started as subject of basic research.

Applied research builds on basic research. There is innovation in applied research in both industry and academe.

Does Rouge have a clue how many professors are founders of startups?

Every time Rouge opens his mouth he makes an ignorant fool of himself. He thinks, because he understands that water in ethanol may freeze in a gasoline or jet fuel blend at low temperature, that he understands science.

Total jagoff.

“WestieLover”

Since: Apr 12

The city that I reside

#98072 Aug 8, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Speculation. Mere speculation. The name of the father on Obama's birth certificate is Obama senior. The name of the father on Mitt Romney's birth certificate is George Romney. There is not a shred of evidence that the real father is any different.
Yes there is, in Obama's case the two birth records have been proven fakes. Concocted by someone who had a vested interest in doing so.
Whether that intent was tp garne political power in supporting a false narrative birth, or a false applicaton after presenting proof of paying taxes in Hawaii.
The outcome is the same..Obama's two birth records are fabrications in which Obama may or may not be a part of generating.
In any case, he must know the truth, and by seeking the Presidency and serving falsely, is guilty of treason.

“WestieLover”

Since: Apr 12

The city that I reside

#98073 Aug 8, 2012
intent was to garner political power....
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#98074 Aug 8, 2012
Conservative girl wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe Romney should tell Obama and his shills, disclose Obama's application records at Occidental College, Columbia, College, Harvard, all his thesis at those universities, and his passport records from the age of 10 forward, the original social security application on file with SSA bearing who the original applicant was concerning the Social which Obama and another person has used for decades. Two people cannot have the same Social.
Present all that documentation, and I think Mitt would provide another tax year, maybe more. He's not obligated, and all it will prove, is that Mitt Romney was a successful business man, made a lot of money, and that he is the perfect person to get the American economy out of the ditch that Obama keeps making deeper.
All the Obama campaign wants is more fodder to twist about, and conjure up falsehoods as Romney not paying his "fair share".
He is a millionaire, so what? We all would like to be one. That is Capitalism, and the American Dream folks.
Obama is a man caught up in the idealogy of class warfare, class envy, social justice, redistribution of other peoples wealth.
From his perspective, they didn't make it on their own, the government, and others made that happen.
Reject Obama and his false narrative that spits in the face of the American Dream and our Constitution. He is bad for America, and is undeserving of another term.
Conservative girl.

After the failed 60s 70s revolutionary generation seized control of Government and taxpayer funded academia, they purposed to disregard thousands of years of hard learned wisdom so that they might "learn for themselves". What a mess they have made of things! The instruction book might well have been speaking of our own day when it was written:

"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." (Jude 1:4)

"I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.(Jude 1:5)

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." (Jude 1:6)

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 1:7)

"Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities." (Jude 1:8)

"Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee." (Jude 1:9)

"But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves." (Jude 1:10)

"Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core." (Jude 1:11)

Ronald


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