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BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“The Usurper FAILED”

Since: Apr 11

Americans

#89025 Jul 3, 2012
Obama says he was born under the British Nationality Act on fightthesmears & factcheck, so he's British! How?
the hell does it get spun any other way? It does not matter where he was born because his mother being married as a minor was also a British subject. Here, doubters...
Read what he wrote on fightthesmears.com :
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

Now, read what the British Nationality Act says:

A person becomes a British subject on 1 January 1983 if, up to that date, they were:

* a British subject without citizenship, which means you were a British subject on 31 December 1948 who did not become a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies, a citizen of a Commonwealth country, a citizen of Pakistan, or a citizen of the Republic of Ireland;
* a person who had been a citizen of Eire and a British subject on 31 December 1948 and had made a claim to remain a British subject; or
* a woman who had registered as a British subject on the basis of your marriage to a man who was in one of the two categories above.

Be it known, Barack Hussein Obama was born of a British colonial African of Kenya in Barack Hussein Obama Sr.
Be it known, Stanley Ann Dunham, being under legal agent of consent was impregnated and married, making her by matrimony a British subject.

Barack Obama was a British subject by birth, but without even requesting or assenting on January 1, 1983 at the age of 21 became a British citizen by act of the British government as he had never applied for citizenship to any United Kingdom, colony, was a citizen of Pakisan where he visited or the Republic of Ireland.
Barack Obama was never a Irish citizen or a previous subject or a woman married to a British subject.

Since 1 January 1983, a person who gains citizenship of any other country can no longer be a British subject. However, this does not apply to a citizen of the Republic of Ireland who has made a claim to remain a British subject as explained above.

Be it known, Barack Obama never gained citizenship of any other country after January 1, 1983.
Barack Obama never applied for citizenship of the United States of America as was required under United States law. It does not matter one iota that Barack Obama has any Hawaiian birth certificate of live birth. It does not matter if there is evidence of his being Barry Soetero, Indonesian dual citizen. None of the documents matter, because under British Authority Mandate, on January 1, 1983 at the age of 21 years, 4 months, 27 days, Barack Hussein Obama became a legal British subject.

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Sunshine he never HAD US Citizenship, so how could he renounce it?

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p.s. if this weren't touchy YA wouldn't edit it out of the running questions

proof positive Obama is not a US Citizen and they want to keep the focus away from the laws and only onto BC

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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#89026 Jul 3, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Not so fast there pilgrim.
According to the INS, Certificates of Citizenship are issued upon arrival in the U.S. to those who have acquired statutory citizenship (not natural-born citizenship) by birth to at least one U.S. citizen parent within the previous year while that parent(s)
was temporarily in another country.
Yup, to those who have acquired statutory citizenship.

Now read the statute, MORON.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, you need to consult 8 USC 1401(g) as it read in 1961, not some second rate blog.
"(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United
States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an
alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to
the birth of such person, was physically present in the United
States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods
totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were
after attaining the age of fourteen year."
Currently, the law requires the parent to be physically present in the US for five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of 14.
As usual, the BirfoonBoy is on the wrong page.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#89027 Jul 3, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Not so fast there pilgrim.
According to the INS, Certificates of Citizenship are issued upon arrival in the U.S. to those who have acquired statutory citizenship (not natural-born citizenship) by birth to at least one U.S. citizen parent within the previous year while that parent(s)
was temporarily in another country.
Since Obama would not have qualified for statutory citizenship, the fantasy that he received a certificate of citizenship is pure lunacy.

Read the statute that was in effect in 1961, Dolt.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, you need to consult 8 USC 1401(g) as it read in 1961, not some second rate blog.
"(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United
States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an
alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to
the birth of such person, was physically present in the United
States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods
totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were
after attaining the age of fourteen year."
Currently, the law requires the parent to be physically present in the US for five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of 14.
As usual, the BirfoonBoy is on the wrong page.
Just Sayin

Toledo, OH

#89028 Jul 3, 2012
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
Will this one work for ya JS?
http://factcheck.org/Images/image/birth_certi...
Oh puuuuleeeez Poppo.

Take a GOOD look.

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2008/06/obamas-birt...

“The Usurper FAILED”

Since: Apr 11

Americans

#89030 Jul 3, 2012
Why won’t the agenda-driven media report on Barack Obama being gay, sexually harassing male actor Kal Penn, and frequenting Chicago bathhouse Man’s Country…you know, the way they leaped to trash Herman Cain with unsubstantiated sexual innuendo?

UPDATE: Listen to an updated report on this story via podcast HERE

**********

Last week, the agenda-driven, drive-by media trashed Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain with unsubstantiated and poorly sourced sexual innuendo.

This week, let’s all talk about Democrat President Barack Obama being gay, him sexually harassing male actor Kal Penn, and his frequenting of Chicago gay bathhouse “Man’s Country”— using the Left’s established precedent for journalistic integrity when it comes to rumor and gossip.

Fair’s fair, right — in love, politics, and what’s apparently allowable in the 2012 election now that all-out war was declared on the black Republican presidential contender. Why shouldn’t conservatives treat Barack Obama the way the Left treated Herman Cain? If the operating assumption is that anything whispered about by anonymous sources is true about Herman Cain, then I guess everything people in Chicago have talked about for years related to Barack Obama being a closeted gay man into younger Pakistani guys must be true too, right?

http://hillbuzz.org/why-wont-the-agenda-drive...

“The Usurper FAILED”

Since: Apr 11

Americans

#89031 Jul 3, 2012
The Voting Dead

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RESOURCES:

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Don't laugh.

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http://www.defendthevote.com/

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#89032 Jul 3, 2012
akpilot wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? The founders sure liked him:
"Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says
"The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights."-The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
"“ I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the Law of Nations. has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting. Accordingly, that copy which I kept has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author.”-Benjamin Franklin
""The expression ‘citizen of the United States occurs in the clauses prescribing qualifications for Representatives, for Senators, and for President. In the latter, the term ‘natural born citizen’ is used and excludes all persons owing allegiance by birth to foreign states."-The New Englander, Volume 3 (1845)
Sorry, loser, the notion that US citizenship was generally governed by international law was thoroughly rejected, despite the fact that a case,(The Venus) quoted Vattel in a matter that had nothing to do with natural born citizenship. Clue: There was no holding regarding natural born citizenship in the Venus. Duh!

Get a life.

The USSC has affirmed that the jus soli principle is the rule in this country. You can't change that by whining and sniveling.
wojar wrote:
Vattel?
Vattel was Rejected.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#89033 Jul 3, 2012
Cancer on the pResidency wrote:
Again, Minor v. Happersett confirmed the American “common-law” definition of a “natural-born citizen,” which Minor said the Founders and Framers were familiar with and used when they wrote the “natural born Citizen” clause.
[Blah blah blah, copied and pasted from a BIRFOON BLOG without attribution]
Get a life, Tacky.
Just Sayin

Toledo, OH

#89034 Jul 3, 2012
Poppo wrote:
CPAC's boy wonder swings left
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/780...
Looks like the kid finally grew up. A perfect example of why the birfoon fears education.
It looks looks like that is all Obama can BS is a 17 year old kid.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#89035 Jul 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, loser, the notion that US citizenship was generally governed by international law was thoroughly rejected, despite the fact that a case,(The Venus) quoted Vattel in a matter that had nothing to do with natural born citizenship. Clue: There was no holding regarding natural born citizenship in the Venus. Duh!
Get a life.
The USSC has affirmed that the jus soli principle is the rule in this country. You can't change that by whining and sniveling.
<quoted text>
12 U.S. 253

8 Cranch 253

3 L.Ed. 553

THE VENUS, RAE, MASTER.

Feb. 1, 1814
==========

123

Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says,'the citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or indigenes, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.'

124
'The inhabitants, as distinguished from citizens, are strangers who are permitted to settle and stay in the country. Bound by their residence to the society, they are subject to the laws of the state, while they reside there, and they are obliged to defendit, because it grants them protection, though they do not participate in all the rights of citizens. They enjoy only the advantages which the laws, or custom gives them. The perpetual inhabitants are those who have received the right of perpetual residence. These are a kind of citizens of an inferior order, and are united and subject to the society, without participating in all its advantages.'

125
'The domicil is the habitation fixed in any place, with an intention of always staying there. A man does not, then, establish his domicil in any place, unless he makes sufficiently known his intention of fixing there, either tacitly or by an express declaration. However, this declaration is no reason why, if he afterwards changes his mind, he may not remove his domicil elsewhere. In this sense, he who stops, even for a long time, in a place, for the management of his affairs, has only a simple habitation there, but has no domicil.'

126
A domicil, then, in the sense in which this term is used by Vattel, requires not only actual residence in a foreign country, but 'an intention of always staying there.' Actual residence without this intention, amounts to no more than 'simple habitation.'

http://openjurist.org/12/us/253/the-venus-rae...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#89036 Jul 3, 2012
LurkerLooky wrote:
Why won’t the agenda-driven media report on Barack Obama being gay, sexually harassing male actor Kal Penn, and frequenting Chicago bathhouse Man’s Country…you know, the way they leaped to trash Herman Cain with unsubstantiated sexual innuendo?
UPDATE: Listen to an updated report on this story via podcast HERE
**********
Last week, the agenda-driven, drive-by media trashed Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain with unsubstantiated and poorly sourced sexual innuendo.
Maybe because the fable has no credibility and is OLD.

BTW, I don't recall the media trashing Herman Cain last week. Rehashing very old news? Is that your schtick? Last time I checked, this is 2012. Got a clue yet?

Herman Cain? RU serious?

Maybe you should write to Mitt and tell him about your shocking new discoveries? I'm sure he would be thrilled about all your lurker looky discoveries.

Hee hee hee.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#89037 Jul 3, 2012
WHY IS THE RIGHT HELPING OBAMA REWRITE THE DEFINITION OF NATURAL BORN CITIZEN?
1474
huuh?????
By J.B. Williams
January 20, 2011
NewsWithViews.com
Definitions are easy, they are found in the dictionary. Yet, millions of Americans remain stuck in a quagmire of dissenting views and alleged expert opinions over the simple term natural born citizen, one of only a few strict constitutional requirements for the highest office in our land, President and Commander-in-Chief.
According to dictionaries dating as far back as Webster’s 1828 Edition, the term natural born citizen has a very simple and specific common meaning, and according to the framers of the US Constitution, a very important distinction.
Natural – Pertaining to nature; produced or effected by nature, or by the laws of growth, formation or motion impressed on bodies or beings by divine power.
Born – To be born, is to be produced or brought into life.
Citizen – In the United States, a person, native or naturalized, who has the privilege of exercising the elective franchise, or the qualifications which enable him to vote for rulers, and to purchase and hold real estate.
Based upon the official definition of these words, we know immediately that the term natural born citizen is not based upon statute or any form of man-made law. It exists in nature, the result of natural law, by divine power, only able to be recognized or ignored by legislative process, but still inalienable via legal processes.
Many self-proclaimed experts insist that the US Constitution was written in some secret code, which can only be deciphered for the common folk, by legal scholars of the highest order. Yet on the basis of simple definitions, we know that if we are discussing any form of man-made law requiring the analysis of legal scholars, we are NOT discussing natural-born.
The term natural born citizen is of nature, not man-made law. The Constitution is written in plain and simple English, each word with a specific definition and meaning easily found in any English dictionary. Fortunately, not only legal scholars have access to dictionaries, making it possible for anyone who can read, to understand the Constitution, so long as they have a dictionary in hand.
After all, what good are unalienable rights that legal scholars are free to alienate via politically motivated interpretations?
History Confirms
Some self-appointed experts have gone so far as to intentionally twist history in an effort to reduce the meaning of natural born citizen to native born status, which is not the same thing and once again, you need only a dictionary to confirm.
Native - Pertaining to the place of birth; as native soil; native country; native graves.
As you can clearly see by proper definition, people focused only upon finding a real Hawaiian birth certificate for Barack Obama are focused on establishing only his native born status, his place of birth, not his natural born status.
A birth certificate is a product of man-made law. A document designed by governments to establish and record the bloodline, birth place, circumstance and vital statistics of an individual’s birth - A means of identifying and tracking that individual throughout life.
At best, it could only confirm that Obama’s stated birth father is his birth father of record, in which case, confirming what we already know, that Barack Obama Jr. is the son of a foreign national, and as such, is not a natural born citizen of the United States even if he is a native born citizen of Hawaii.
The historical foundation for the term natural born citizen found in Article II – Section I of our Constitution is the Law of Nations, as mentioned in Article 1 – Section 8 of our Constitution. An international treaty in existence during the forming of our nation, which established internationally recognized standards for what constitutes a sovereign nation and citizens’ rights.
http://www.newswithviews.com/JBWilliams/willi...

“The Usurper FAILED”

Since: Apr 11

Americans

#89038 Jul 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe because the fable has no credibility and is OLD.
BTW, I don't recall the media trashing Herman Cain last week. Rehashing very old news? Is that your schtick? Last time I checked, this is 2012. Got a clue yet?
Herman Cain? RU serious?
Maybe you should write to Mitt and tell him about your shocking new discoveries? I'm sure he would be thrilled about all your lurker looky discoveries.
Hee hee hee.
(The Venus) quoted Vattel

Like the above is new.
Guffaw Guffaw Guffaw

Since: Dec 11

Fort Worth, TX

#89039 Jul 3, 2012
the westerner wrote:
<quoted text>
Some people claim it did and as BO has spent millions hiding the truth from us, I'll assume it's true.
Of course you will, but can you support your claim that he has spent millions hiding the truth from us? If you make statements without any basis in fact, I am forced to dismiss most of what you post.

Since: Dec 11

Fort Worth, TX

#89040 Jul 3, 2012
the westerner wrote:
<quoted text>
You again?
Me, always.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#89042 Jul 3, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
12 U.S. 253
8 Cranch 253
3 L.Ed. 553
THE VENUS, RAE, MASTER.
Feb. 1, 1814
==========
123
Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says,
Sorry, BirfoonLady, but the USSC did not hold in The Venus that Vattel governed who is a natural born citizen of the United States. Natural born citizenship was not even an issue in the case.

Try again.

And try to learn to read with comprehension.

According to The Venus, if President Obama had established domicile in a foreign country between which and the United States hostilities afterwards broke out, any property shipped by him before knowledge of the war and captured by an American cruiser after the declaration of war would be condemned as lawful prize!

Wow!!

Ooooh! If he shipped his teddy bear from Indonesia, at age six, to the US and if a war had broken out, his precious teddy would have been condemned as lawful prize!

Wooooow!

Got an effing clue?

UR on the wrong page, BirfoonLady.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, loser, the notion that US citizenship was generally governed by international law was thoroughly rejected, despite the fact that a case,(The Venus) quoted Vattel in a matter that had nothing to do with natural born citizenship. Clue: There was no holding regarding natural born citizenship in the Venus. Duh!
Get a life.
The USSC has affirmed that the jus soli principle is the rule in this country. You can't change that by whining and sniveling.
Cancer on the pResidency

Clarksville, TN

#89044 Jul 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Get a life, Tacky.
Grow a brain, WoTARD!
American Lady

Danville, KY

#89045 Jul 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, BirfoonLady, but the USSC did not hold in The Venus that Vattel governed who is a natural born citizen of the United States. Natural born citizenship was not even an issue in the case.
Try again.
And try to learn to read with comprehension.
According to The Venus, if President Obama had established domicile in a foreign country between which and the United States hostilities afterwards broke out, any property shipped by him before knowledge of the war and captured by an American cruiser after the declaration of war would be condemned as lawful prize!
Wow!!
Ooooh! If he shipped his teddy bear from Indonesia, at age six, to the US and if a war had broken out, his precious teddy would have been condemned as lawful prize!
Wooooow!
Got an effing clue?
UR on the wrong page, BirfoonLady.
<quoted text>
HOW COME it's WRITTEN "IN" the case?????
Hummmmm?

BUY a "clue"!!!!!!!

Capiche

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#89046 Jul 3, 2012
LurkerLooky wrote:
<quoted text>
(The Venus) quoted Vattel
Like the above is new.
Guffaw Guffaw Guffaw
The Venus quoted Vattel!!! Whoop-dee-doo!

So what? Vattel was cited in relation to domicile, not citizenship.

Get a life.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe because the fable has no credibility and is OLD.
BTW, I don't recall the media trashing Herman Cain last week. Rehashing very old news? Is that your schtick? Last time I checked, this is 2012. Got a clue yet?
Herman Cain? RU serious?
Maybe you should write to Mitt and tell him about your shocking new discoveries? I'm sure he would be thrilled about all your lurker looky discoveries.
Hee hee hee.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#89047 Jul 3, 2012
I "guess" they just put it in there "for the hell of it.......

Like the Founding Fathers put "natural born" in there......."for the hell of it".....

NO reason.......

JUST.....

For the hell of it!........;-)

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