Should the US have universal healthcare?

[Cheech the Conservative]

Tak-you should have gone further-The first line-"the act of contributing".Def of "contributing"-To give(Money,time,knowledge)to a common supply,as to a charity.Sounds voluntary to me.Ya got to dig a little deeper.

takion1 wrote:

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Papa, the dictionary says this about a Contribution,
1. the act of contributing.
2. something contributed.
3. an article, story, drawing, etc., furnished to a magazine or other publication.
4. an impost or levy.
5. Insurance. the method of distributing liability, in case of loss, among several insurers whose policies attach to the same risk.
Soc Sec would be considered an impost or levy.
Don't see anything about a contribution being voluntary by definition.

[Cheech the Conservative]

And long may the profit be made.Anybody who provides a service should make a profit.Anything "free" is probably second hand,slipshod,and makeshift.

takion1 wrote:

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We've already got plenty of waste and fraud in the US health care system now, not to mention PROFIT too.
What are now health insurance premiums, would become health care payments to the Govt minus the current included profits, and would surely be cheaper.
Our current system cannot sustain the current trend of double digit increases in costs each year, and not cause less people to not be able to afford access to it every year.
If the current system is not changed, it is only a matter of time before it implodes upon itself, due to the fact that as less people can afford to access care, less people will train to give care, and less establishments will remain open to give care.

[Cheech the Conservative]

They are under our military protection.That is a temporary situation.That is why.

takion1 wrote:

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Nat, I have previously pointed out that the US funds universal health care for both Afghanistan and Iraq.
Pointing this out again will not endear you to the Anti-UHC posters here. LOL!

[Cheech the Conservative]

Sounds like a personal problem.The solution is in the last line.

dee wrote:

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Your probably paying that now anyway. with insurance, deductibles,co-pays etc. And that with some kind of insurance with $1000 ded for each person. add a couple of children and it becomes useless as few can afford to get sick.
Right now I owe the hosp $36,000 because of no insurance.
I have lived in a country that has universal health and they do not pay anywhere near 50%.

[Phil Gray]

go green 2 wrote:

<quoted text>oky doky i'll have to go check that out.thank you.if that's a good thing.

Good manners are always a good thing, Your welcome.

[average American]

Universal health care? Absolutely not. I'd rather pay for an agressive military policy running billions upon billions of dollars (and talk about mismanagement and gaffe) in order to safe guard the freedom of Corporate capitalists to extract natural resources from any country at any time and to maintain their healthy profits while the rest of the world rots. Ain't America grand?

[Cheech the Conservative]

You are NOT an "average American".You are a sarcastic azzhole and a goddam commie.If you don't like it here,move to Cuba.

average American wrote:

Universal health care? Absolutely not. I'd rather pay for an agressive military policy running billions upon billions of dollars (and talk about mismanagement and gaffe) in order to safe guard the freedom of Corporate capitalists to extract natural resources from any country at any time and to maintain their healthy profits while the rest of the world rots. Ain't America grand?

[Just for the Record]

Cheech the Conservative wrote:

You are NOT an "average American".You are a sarcastic azzhole and a goddam commie.If you don't like it here,move to Cuba.<quoted text>

What I find ironic is that some of these people would prefer that the US gov't spend our tax money on a small portion of the US population in the form of entittlement programs, but not on defending and protecting the entire population.

Whether or not I agree with the war in Iraq is inmaterial. But I would rather see our tax dollars go towards the military, police, and firemen and their families. These people put their life on the line and make sacrfices, to ensure our safety and protect our freedoms.

I know off topic, but I am tired of seeing the contribution these people make to our society down played and compared to entittlement programs.

[Indy]

He who has no sense of the past, sees no hope for the future.
Anon.

[Phil Gray]

Just for the Record wrote:

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What I find ironic is that some of these people would prefer that the US gov't spend our tax money on a small portion of the US population in the form of entittlement programs, but not on defending and protecting the entire population.
Whether or not I agree with the war in Iraq is inmaterial. But I would rather see our tax dollars go towards the military, police, and firemen and their families. These people put their life on the line and make sacrfices, to ensure our safety and protect our freedoms.
I know off topic, but I am tired of seeing the contribution these people make to our society down played and compared to entittlement programs.

Check you mail I heard from someone out of the blue, quite puzzling.

[Phil Gray]

dee wrote:

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Your probably paying that now anyway. with insurance, deductibles,co-pays etc. And that with some kind of insurance with $1000 ded for each person. add a couple of children and it becomes useless as few can afford to get sick.
Right now I owe the hosp $36,000 because of no insurance.
I have lived in a country that has universal health and they do not pay anywhere near 50%.

Enlighten us with which country that was and I'll enlighten you with their tax rate, GDP spending and a ratio there of. Anyway you look at it the tax rate for all UHC countries far exceeds that of the U.S., and with that we need not get into the mitigating factors

[Phil Gray]

spsol46

You have mail, I will change to your alternate email from here on out.

[Liberal And FREE]

No. Let the peasents acquire diseases so they can spread them as food service workers to the elitist snobs who could care less about their fellow mankind.

[Just for the Record]

Phil Gray wrote:

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Check you mail I heard from someone out of the blue, quite puzzling.

Phil, I answered your e-mail. Be careful.

[Phil Gray]

Just for the Record wrote:

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Phil, I answered your e-mail. Be careful.

Got it.

[Phil Gray]

J. M.

I resent the proposal to you a couple of minutes ago it is attached to the email, Sorry you didn't get it the first time

[go green 2]

Phil Gray wrote:

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Good manners are always a good thing, Your welcome.

hey philly the message went rto my spam folder so i couldn't send back anyway i couldn't find the attched page.

[Cheech the Conservative]

No.Just tax the hell out of those of us who EARN.Pay for the shiftless.Free food.Free clothes.Free cars.Free rent or mortgages.Why bother working?Let the Gov't take care of you.Disarm the military.Disarm ALL civilians.With you libs running things,this would happen.Then sometime(probably next week)China or the Arabs would move right in and TELL us what to do.No more worries.Right,LIB?

Liberal And FREE wrote:

No. Let the peasents acquire diseases so they can spread them as food service workers to the elitist snobs who could care less about their fellow mankind.

[Cheech the Conservative]

Sent you an E-mail.

Phil Gray wrote:

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Got it.

[globalcitizen]

Just for the Record wrote:

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What I find ironic is that some of these people would prefer that the US gov't spend our tax money on a small portion of the US population in the form of entittlement programs, but not on defending and protecting the entire population.
Whether or not I agree with the war in Iraq is inmaterial. But I would rather see our tax dollars go towards the military, police, and firemen and their families. These people put their life on the line and make sacrfices, to ensure our safety and protect our freedoms.
I know off topic, but I am tired of seeing the contribution these people make to our society down played and compared to entittlement programs.

none of the american millitary spendings have to do anything with americans safety.
millitar-industrial comblex is just another of the corporatist sectors of america.