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Video: Obama: Could Trayvon Martin "have stood his ground?"

There are 170 comments on the CBS News story from Jul 19, 2013, titled Video: Obama: Could Trayvon Martin "have stood his ground?". In it, CBS News reports that:

"If Trayvon Martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk?" President Obama asked Friday, suggesting policymakers may want to revisit some laws and law enforcement practices that deal with firearms and self-defense.

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Robert

Douglasville, GA

#114 Jul 21, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>that is not accepted norm in our society...
which part the dueling or what the black people do in the inner city.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#115 Jul 21, 2013
Robert wrote:
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which part the dueling or what the black people do in the inner city.
neither.

if you really need to ask, this discussion seems to be over, unless you wish to continue looking silly...
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#116 Jul 21, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>neither.
if you really need to ask, this discussion seems to be over, unless you wish to continue looking silly...
Of course I know, I am just being a smart ass and in the process painfully pointing out that the people protesting the Travon shooting while looking for racism constantly overlook the violent nature of the average black thug.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#117 Jul 21, 2013
Robert wrote:
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Of course I know, I am just being a smart ass and in the process painfully pointing out that the people protesting the Travon shooting while looking for racism constantly overlook the violent nature of the average black thug.
You're doing a piss-poor job of it using nonsensical arguments and analogies...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#118 Jul 21, 2013
Robert wrote:
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Of course I know, I am just being a smart ass and in the process painfully pointing out that the people protesting the Travon shooting while looking for racism constantly overlook the violent nature of the average black thug.
do you believe that black thugs are more violent in nature than any other skin colored thug? why?
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#119 Jul 21, 2013
Its always funny when the gay guys with such belief in their agendas, back up the people who will attack, maim, torture and kill them. Denial of the final solution to pure hate as long as they vote together for the ultimate gains in perceived rights.
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#120 Jul 21, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>do you believe that black thugs are more violent in nature than any other skin colored thug? why?
It is less about a matter of being more violent than it is about more of them being violent though evidence exist for both.

I did a study I think it was in 2005. I looked at a database of every single robbery report in a given jurisdiction of a metropolitan county. I picked robberies because it is a face to face crime in which in almost every case you know the race of the perpetrator. Blacks comprised 29% of the population and they committed over 80% of the robberies. I did not really need to conduct a study to know this all I had to do is watch the news but was just curious as to how it would really shake out. There were 54 or 61 murders in chicago depending on which article you read which occurred during the zimmerman trial. Most of them young blacks killed by other young blacks.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#122 Jul 21, 2013
Robert wrote:
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It is less about a matter of being more violent than it is about more of them being violent though evidence exist for both.
I did a study I think it was in 2005. I looked at a database of every single robbery report in a given jurisdiction of a metropolitan county. I picked robberies because it is a face to face crime in which in almost every case you know the race of the perpetrator. Blacks comprised 29% of the population and they committed over 80% of the robberies. I did not really need to conduct a study to know this all I had to do is watch the news but was just curious as to how it would really shake out. There were 54 or 61 murders in chicago depending on which article you read which occurred during the zimmerman trial. Most of them young blacks killed by other young blacks.
then there was no point in adding the 'black' qualifier in your previous statement; other than pointing out you feelings about black people, i guess...

aren't all thugs violent by definition?

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#123 Jul 21, 2013
This isn't about a young Black man being killed, it happens all the time. In the last year alone, just in Chicago, 18 young blacks boys 17 years old and younger, were killed by guns. I don't recall any protests or even a brief mention by Obama or Sharpton. As long as Obama, Sharpton and Jackson can keep racism alive and flourishing, that's all that really matters.

It started with the cop and the professor and the Rose Garden 'beer summit'. Obama has done more to divide the country than any president since the Civil War.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#124 Jul 21, 2013
RustyS wrote:
This isn't about a young Black man being killed, it happens all the time. In the last year alone, just in Chicago, 18 young blacks boys 17 years old and younger, were killed by guns. I don't recall any protests or even a brief mention by Obama or Sharpton. As long as Obama, Sharpton and Jackson can keep racism alive and flourishing, that's all that really matters.
It started with the cop and the professor and the Rose Garden 'beer summit'. Obama has done more to divide the country than any president since the Civil War.
it is not any president dividing the country, it is hyper-partisans like you doing that...

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#126 Jul 21, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it is not any president dividing the country, it is hyper-partisans like you doing that...
I think any future Obama biography will have to have a chapter called "Missed Opportunities".
spocko

Oakland, CA

#127 Jul 21, 2013
Gary wrote:
Even though I think Zimmerman was guilty as hell,
I also believe that no jury could have found
him guilty. Only two people knew what happened
that night and one is dead and gone. There were
two sides to the story and one side is missing.
No witnesses. No video. No provable motive.
Just too much room for reasonable doubt.
Trayvon Martin is not a miscarriage of American justice, but American justice itself.
I don't think the import of this is being appreciated. Effectively, I can bait you into a fight and if I start losing I can legally kill you, provided I "believe" myself to be subject to "great bodily harm." It is then the state's job to prove -- beyond a reasonable doubt -- that I either did not actually fear for my life, or my fear was unreasonable. In the case of GZ, even if the state proved that he baited an encounter they still must prove that he had no reasonable justification to fear for his life. Stand your ground does not prevent violence it encourages it!
spocko

Oakland, CA

#128 Jul 21, 2013
RustyS wrote:
This isn't about a young Black man being killed, it happens all the time. In the last year alone, just in Chicago, 18 young blacks boys 17 years old and younger, were killed by guns. I don't recall any protests or even a brief mention by Obama or Sharpton. As long as Obama, Sharpton and Jackson can keep racism alive and flourishing, that's all that really matters.
It started with the cop and the professor and the Rose Garden 'beer summit'. Obama has done more to divide the country than any president since the Civil War.
Your argument is entirely self-serving and besides the point!

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#129 Jul 21, 2013
spocko wrote:
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Trayvon Martin is not a miscarriage of American justice, but American justice itself.
I don't think the import of this is being appreciated. Effectively, I can bait you into a fight and if I start losing I can legally kill you, provided I "believe" myself to be subject to "great bodily harm." It is then the state's job to prove -- beyond a reasonable doubt -- that I either did not actually fear for my life, or my fear was unreasonable. In the case of GZ, even if the state proved that he baited an encounter they still must prove that he had no reasonable justification to fear for his life. Stand your ground does not prevent violence it encourages it!
What a twisted mind you have to come up with this conclusion.

How does one "bait" someone else, a perfect stranger, into a fight? Why would someone do that?

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#130 Jul 21, 2013
Thats the way we fought in my hometown, may the best man win no weapons-Zimmerthug is a coward with a gun and was ko'd..r.i.p.Trayvon you're family will win a Civil Court
spocko

Oakland, CA

#131 Jul 21, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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What a twisted mind you have to come up with this conclusion.
How does one "bait" someone else, a perfect stranger, into a fight? Why would someone do that?
Sorry Forrest but that one went right over your peabrain ...

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#132 Jul 21, 2013
spocko wrote:
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Sorry Forrest but that one went right over your peabrain ...
No need for personal attack just because you cannot answer reasonable questions.
August

Silver Springs, FL

#133 Jul 21, 2013
It's amazing how many people get on here and have no grasp of fact.
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#134 Jul 21, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>then there was no point in adding the 'black' qualifier in your previous statement; other than pointing out you feelings about black people, i guess...
aren't all thugs violent by definition?
i am simply following the example of the likes of al sharpton and jessie jackson, everying is about race, when it is and when it is not.
spocko

Oakland, CA

#135 Jul 21, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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No need for personal attack just because you cannot answer reasonable questions.
I guess I could draw a picture for you moron - strapping a gun to your hip and following someone to their home without announcing yourself is enough?

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