'The War Is Not Over'

[Greek fire]

Your conscience wrote:

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911 was an inside job.That is fact.You swallowed the Murdoch/Turner/Cheyney conspiracy theory.You should find a suitable conspiracy forum if you are averse to the truth.

If 911 was an inside job, you are accusing President Bush of direct, premeditated, legally-unauthorized murder (unlike the legally authorized [sorta, check the UN resolution], premeditated killing of Iraqi "insurgents"). That would make President Bush one of the greatest traitors in American history since Benedict Arnold.

Your conscience, how many powerful people dislike, nay, hate President Bush? Do you not think they would move heaven and earth to prove it if it were even conceivably true? Recall President Clinton and his best friend, Vince Foster? Remember how powerful opponents did all they could to try to put Clinton in that park, with his finger on the trigger OF A GUN THAT NO ONE EVEN KNEW FOSTER HAD POSSESSION OF, IT WAS AN HEIRLOOM FROM HIS FAMILY?

Think about it. If 911 was inside, how many people are 'in' on it? In reality, they would all be dead by now or institutionalized as schizophrenics. If you hate President Bush, say so, and argue about things he has done that are publicly known and horrible, or even plausible things he has done that are not publicly known. But a far-ranging conspiracy to kill 3000 Americans (maybe you argue no one died on Sept. 11, 2001 in downtown Manhattan) with an untold number of co-conspirators who could blackmail Bush, no way.

[who]

Mountain Lady wrote:

<quoted text>Hello,(The Who)! I never knew much about this and the charges being dropped. Torture they say? So much information to absorb.

Well if you watch this short clip of an interview with one of the British nationals who were released a couple of years ago, you'll get the picture.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
You can't build a case on information obtained under torture, so we'll see where this takes things with regards to other pending "trials".

[JohnQP]

On a lighter note, I need a drink. Maybe I can see if that kid down the hall that just started shaving can con the guy at the liquor store. LOL

[Homer DeBrave]

Greek fire wrote:

This forum has turned into a private club of Sept. 11, 2001 fanatics. Maybe worse than 9/11 fanatics, "Lizards," indeed! Sadly, the occasional poster unaware of the private, 911-slant of this forum arrives and posts a comment or criticism of "war," which is what this forum is advertised about. Poor dumb schmuck. At best she is ignored, at worst castigated or impugned personally, without her idea or comment being confronted intellectually.
And then those teenage kids get on here and simulate nuclear war between the reds and the west, and everyone gets their panties in a wad. Worse yet, they are engaged by some as if they are serious!
There surely are real, honest-to-God, named 9/11 conspiracy forums that you could go to, rather than ignore or run off serious posters about war.
I thought the richest part of that 'situation' this past weekend was that people on here who believe off-world lizards run the planet are complaining to topix that 'nuts' have taken over their sainted, pure forum.
I wonder who is crazier, the teenage nuke war posters, or the 9/11 fanatics who "believe that lizards run the planet?"

This seems like some fair and well-thought out criticism to me; many of us have been here so long that it probably does seem insular sometimes, and we do range far which is fine with me most of the time except when pesky Conspiracista squalls hit.

I noticed your other posts and hope you will post again. Please help to steer, by all means.

[Homer DeBrave]

Greek fire wrote:

This forum has turned into a private club of Sept. 11, 2001 fanatics. Maybe worse than 9/11 fanatics, "Lizards," indeed! Sadly, the occasional poster unaware of the private, 911-slant of this forum arrives and posts a comment or criticism of "war," which is what this forum is advertised about. Poor dumb schmuck. At best she is ignored, at worst castigated or impugned personally, without her idea or comment being confronted intellectually.
And then those teenage kids get on here and simulate nuclear war between the reds and the west, and everyone gets their panties in a wad. Worse yet, they are engaged by some as if they are serious!
There surely are real, honest-to-God, named 9/11 conspiracy forums that you could go to, rather than ignore or run off serious posters about war.
I thought the richest part of that 'situation' this past weekend was that people on here who believe off-world lizards run the planet are complaining to topix that 'nuts' have taken over their sainted, pure forum.
I wonder who is crazier, the teenage nuke war posters, or the 9/11 fanatics who "believe that lizards run the planet?"

Btw, the teenage nuke war posters were actually one poster who finally emerged snarling for a while.

[Mountain Lady]

JohnQP wrote:

I just get tired of the spitefulness in conversation. I understand frat brothers giving each other the gas, but not mature adults. I am assuming waaaay toooo much, I suppose. We don't know the ages of anyone on here. It is obvious teenagers or pre-teen children occasionally post here, maybe I should consider there may be a lot more kids and a lot fewer adults. Kids seems to have a lot more on the ball with computers anyway, why not wile away their time playing with each other over inane nonsense like 911 conspiracies.
I suppose, in the final analysis, that anything and everything posted on topix could and very likely is false, meant to demean or be pugilistic, meant to "pull someone's leg," or otherwise fraudulent and not well-meant. There are no guarantees of civility, genuineness, or even age as regards these posts.
To answer your query directly, Mountain Lady, I think you are treated differently because you claim to be a woman, and we know that virtually no women are really ever on the internet for any reason. Terrabytes of data tell us so. Maybe if we all pretended to be a woman (I am not sure of anyone on here), we would all be civil and polite to each other.
Novel, intriguing idea, Mountain Lady.

I don't think that I am treated differently because I am a woman. The guys, I'm sure will comment on this and let's see how it goes. If you're not familiar with the regulars, ahhh I meant "irregulars" (lol) you may have read some posts from the alliens. http://www.alliensmusic.com

[Homer DeBrave]

Lee_s Revenge wrote:

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Here, here! I watch this forum to read insightful, critical comment about primarily the Iraq war, but I suppose future war with Iran or even China is apropos. All I ever seem to see is 9/11 conspiracy crap.
Maybe I should start watching the "911 Was Bush's Fault" forum; perhaps they are all talking about the Iraq war.

LOL

[Staten Islander]

How many men would post to an Iraq war or 9/11 conspiracy forum and pretend to be women? Guys are so self-conscious of appearing feminine, no way.

Probably anyone who claims to be a woman on this forum particularly is exactly that.

Men are so homophobic. On the other hand, there are guys with some pretty wild sexual pecadilloes. I suppose anything is possible (but I don't believe it in Mountain Lady's case).

[Homer DeBrave]

Mountain Lady wrote:

<quoted text>Hi John. I am just a girl, but these guys took me in and I thought I had 0 to say. They can be tough, but the world is rough. Stick with it and keep on commenting. They will listen. This aint no sissy forum, that's for sure. Don't get offended. I love it here and I'm just a softy..ask the guys. LOL

Ya, a surf-n-turf-washed-down-with-h earty-Bordeaux faintheart you are!

[Mountain Lady]

JohnQP wrote:

On a lighter note, I need a drink. Maybe I can see if that kid down the hall that just started shaving can con the guy at the liquor store. LOL

Glad to meet ya John. Belly up to the bar, what 'il ya have?

[Greek fire]

Here is the definitive video of the Sept. 11 tragedy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

If the entire engineering dept. of Purdue University is in on the conspiracy, then virtually every academic in the United States and likely the world is in on it. Academics don't agree on much.

[Mountain Lady]

Staten Islander wrote:

How many men would post to an Iraq war or 9/11 conspiracy forum and pretend to be women? Guys are so self-conscious of appearing feminine, no way.
Probably anyone who claims to be a woman on this forum particularly is exactly that.
Men are so homophobic. On the other hand, there are guys with some pretty wild sexual pecadilloes. I suppose anything is possible (but I don't believe it in Mountain Lady's case).

I might wear steel-toe hiking boots now and then, but I carry a tube of lip gloss in my pocket at all times! Yes I'm a girly-girl.

[Shirley Eujest]

JohnQP wrote:

On a lighter note, I need a drink. Maybe I can see if that kid down the hall that just started shaving can con the guy at the liquor store. LOL

Cheers.

[Lee_s Revenge]

Greek fire wrote:

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... with an untold number of co-conspirators who could blackmail Bush, no way.

I never thought about the fact that all of the co-conspirators that are still alive would have the ultimate blackmail angle against the Bush family. Doesn't Poppy Bush have a big interest in Carlyle Group, along with the bin Laden's?

I think if I was in on it, I would want to take care of my family just in case something happened to me. I would be scared of that, knowing such an obscene secret about such rich and powerful people. I think I would want about half a billion to take care of the kids, just in case.

Lots of big payments to lots of little people involved in the conspiracy. Would that be easy to keep secret? How about the person who has too high a price? Can you imagine the blackmail possibilities?

[Mountain Lady]

Homer DeBrave wrote:

<quoted text>Ya, a surf-n-turf-washed-down-with-h earty-Bordeaux faintheart you are!

Hey Homer. Thought I was all alone here at the bar. What are you drinking? Thought I would stay open late tonight for the straglers.

[Homer DeBrave]

Mountain Lady wrote:

<quoted text>I don't think that I am treated differently because I am a woman. The guys, I'm sure will comment on this and let's see how it goes. If you're not familiar with the regulars, ahhh I meant "irregulars" (lol) you may have read some posts from the alliens. http://www.alliensmusic.com

I think you've been treated as you've treated others on here, which is with some manners and humor and respect and if you increase our collective sensibility and scope in any way due to your gender, so what, so good.

[Shirley Eujest]

Staten Islander wrote:

How many men would post to an Iraq war or 9/11 conspiracy forum and pretend to be women? Guys are so self-conscious of appearing feminine, no way.
Probably anyone who claims to be a woman on this forum particularly is exactly that.
Men are so homophobic. On the other hand, there are guys with some pretty wild sexual pecadilloes. I suppose anything is possible (but I don't believe it in Mountain Lady's case).

Speak for yourself, pal.

[JohnQP]

Mountain Lady wrote:

<quoted text>Glad to meet ya John. Belly up to the bar, what 'il ya have?

Double Tanq and tonic, with a twist, in a tall glass. That kid down the hall that just started shaving always forgets the limes, darn it!

LOL

[Staten Islander]

Shirley Eujest wrote:

<quoted text>Speak for yourself, pal.

Try it again with a "g" instead of "p."

[Mountain Lady]

JohnQP wrote:

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Double Tanq and tonic, with a twist, in a tall glass. That kid down the hall that just started shaving always forgets the limes, darn it!
LOL

Comin right up, would you like a menu? We have some great surf-n-turf tonight! How 'bout a nice bottle of french wine? It's at castle temperature. I think I can wake up the chef.