'The War Is Not Over'

'The War Is Not Over'

There are 276629 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Sep 12, 2006, titled 'The War Is Not Over'. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

WASHINGTON - President Bush led the nation on Monday in marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept.

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spOko

Oakland, CA

#290274 Nov 24, 2013
Sam wrote:
+++++++GOD NOW APPROVES OF SAME-SEX-MARRIAGE!!!+++++++ God has changed His mind regarding Homosexuality!. God can change His mind on matters if He wants to, there are instances in the Bible where God does just that!. This time is no different. God has certainly been answering the big Gays prayers lately!, with their recent Supreme Court victories and all. God wouldn't answer me, a Straight guy!. You know, I once asked God for a wife, 5 months later, He gave me a wh**e!. I do admit, I did used to blaspheme God a couple years on down before this, but I stopped this. I figured this was the reason God raped me. If God didn't want to give me a wife, He sure as Hell didn't have to give me that rotten wh**e!!!. Because God bestowed this evil upon me, my blaspheming Him returned with a vengence!!!. I lay it on old God now and I don't care if I do go burn forever, HAHAHAHAHA!!!. I blaspheme God real good now. I do it more then I ever did and I am a might proud of that fact, HAHAHAHAHA!!!...GIVE ME ANOTHER WH**E GOD!!!!!!!!!.
So, which God are we talking about? there are thousands of them ...
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Sunbury, PA

#290275 Nov 24, 2013
OpenSecrets org wrote:
<quoted text>
As far as I'm concern Obama is a corporate liar just like Bush/Cheney before him.
Obama's middle name is not Hussein, it is Bush.
Barack Bush Obama continued over 90% of all Bush/Cheney failed policies and crimes against our Constitution.
Nice to see you also.
Looks like our friend MUQ cannot stop talking about who caused the Towers to fall.
Everyone knows it was 19 Muslims mostly from Saudi Arabia crashing Jumbo Jets into our buildings.
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Nader Was Right: Liberals are Going Nowhere With Obama
Aug 10, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/kotjan
The American empire has not altered under Barack Obama. It kills as brutally and indiscriminately in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan as it did under George W. Bush. It steals from the U.S. treasury to enrich the corporate elite as rapaciously. It will not give us universal health care, abolish the Bush secrecy laws, end torture or ďextraordinary rendition,Ē restore habeas corpus or halt the warrantless wiretapping and monitoring of citizens. It will not push through significant environmental reform, regulate Wall Street or end our relationship with private contractors that provide mercenary armies to fight our imperial wars and produce useless and costly weapons systems.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090810_...
Hence Obama can blame Bush for all his failed policies
OpenSecrets org

Edison, NJ

#290276 Nov 24, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>Hence Obama can blame Bush for all his failed policies
On big ticket items Obama is one and the same as Reagan, the Bush's, and the Clinton's.

All Wall Street prostitutes in Washington DC.

I have never subscribed to the corporate Rightwing media's or corporate Mainstream media's view that Republicans are conservative and Democrats are liberal.

For the most part that is a Myth that most Americans believe.

The Guns, The Gays, the Abortion are all wedge issues that both corrupt corporate parties thrive on.

The Democrats sold me out along time ago and I suggest you realize the Republicans sold you out also along time ago.

Most Americans are not in the top 0.1% or even the top 1% who are truly represented in Congress.

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Roll Call of Shame on ďToo Big to FailĒ
May 8, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/2dfldsk
Future historians will look back on the financial crisis of the last couple years and wonder why Congress didnít act sooner or more aggressively to prevent such a crisis from recurring.
Last week, by an astonishingly wide margin, the Senate voted down a bill sponsored by Sherrod Brown and Ted Kaufman that would have limited the size of financial institutions.
Hereís the roll call of shame:
Daniel Akaka
Max Baucus
Evan Bayh
Michael Bennet
Thomas Carper
Kent Conrad
Chris Dodd
Dianne Feinstein
Kirsten Gillibrand
Kay Hagan
Daniel Inouye
Tim Johnson
John Kerry
Amy Klobuchar
Herb Kohl
Mary Landrieu
Frank Lautenberg
Claire McCaskill
Robert Menendez
Bill Nelson
Ben Nelson
Jack Reed
Chuck Schumer
Jeanne Shaheen
Jon Tester
Mark Udall
Mark Warner
Several of these Senators, like Conrad and Tester, pretend to be progressive populists.
Schumer and Dodd pretend to be leaders on financial reform.
And John Kerry?
ďWall Street won and the American people lost,Ē said Mary Bottari, director of the Real Economy Project for the Center for Media and Democracy.
http://www.progressive.org/wx050810.html
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Chalfont, PA

#290277 Nov 24, 2013
George Bush 's ratings were down to 36% due mainly to the media harping on him. According to Rush Limbaugh Obama did it on his own and is at 37%.
OpenSecrets org

Edison, NJ

#290278 Nov 24, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
George Bush 's ratings were down to 36% due mainly to the media harping on him. According to Rush Limbaugh Obama did it on his own and is at 37%.
I truly believe Bush deserved it and so does Obama for selling out all liberal/progressives.

After all Obama passed a Republican health care bill without any Republicans voting for it.

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How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate / 10/20/2011 / http://tinyurl.com/7yztznx

ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.

GINGRICH: Thatís not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: Yes, we got it from you, and you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.

GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: And you never supported them?

GINGRICH: I agree with them, but Iím just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasnít true.

ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?

GINGRICH: I absolutely did with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare.

ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?

ROMNEY: Oh, OK. Thatís what Iím saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.

GINGRICH: OK. A little broader.

ROMNEY: OK.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/10/20/h...

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Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans
October 1, 1989 / http://tinyurl.com/8xb6rd9
http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/assu...

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Obama says Heritage Foundation is source of health exchange idea
March 30th, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/26xm72p
EDITOR'S NOTE: An analysis of this comment by President Barack Obama was published on April 1, 2010. After it appeared, the Heritage Foundation's communications office contacted us to argue that our rating of Mostly True was too generous to the president. We did some additional reporting to review our ruling. Our second round of reporting -- primarily talking to conservative policy experts outside of Heritage -- solidified our initial conclusions. Below is the updated version of our story, which retains the rating of Mostly True, published April 26, 2010.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...

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Summary Of A 1993 Republican Health Reform Plan
Feb 23, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/amcg2tz
In November, 1993, Sen. John Chafee, R-R.I., introduced what was considered to be one of the main Republican health overhaul proposals: "A bill to provide comprehensive reform of the health care system of the United States."
Titled the "Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993," it had 21 co-sponsors, including two Democrats (Sens. Boren and Kerrey). The bill, which was not debated or voted upon, was an alternative to President Bill Clinton's plan. It bears similarity to the Democratic bill passed by the Senate Dec. 24, 2009, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2010/...
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Chalfont, PA

#290279 Nov 24, 2013
OpenSecrets org wrote:
<quoted text>
I truly believe Bush deserved it and so does Obama for selling out all liberal/progressives.
After all Obama passed a Republican health care bill without any Republicans voting for it.
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How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate / 10/20/2011 / http://tinyurl.com/7yztznx
ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.
GINGRICH: Thatís not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.
ROMNEY: Yes, we got it from you, and you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.
GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.
ROMNEY: And you never supported them?
GINGRICH: I agree with them, but Iím just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasnít true.
ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?
GINGRICH: I absolutely did with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare.
ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?
ROMNEY: Oh, OK. Thatís what Iím saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.
GINGRICH: OK. A little broader.
ROMNEY: OK.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/10/20/h...
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Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans
October 1, 1989 / http://tinyurl.com/8xb6rd9
http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/assu...
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Obama says Heritage Foundation is source of health exchange idea
March 30th, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/26xm72p
EDITOR'S NOTE: An analysis of this comment by President Barack Obama was published on April 1, 2010. After it appeared, the Heritage Foundation's communications office contacted us to argue that our rating of Mostly True was too generous to the president. We did some additional reporting to review our ruling. Our second round of reporting -- primarily talking to conservative policy experts outside of Heritage -- solidified our initial conclusions. Below is the updated version of our story, which retains the rating of Mostly True, published April 26, 2010.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
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Summary Of A 1993 Republican Health Reform Plan
Feb 23, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/amcg2tz
In November, 1993, Sen. John Chafee, R-R.I., introduced what was considered to be one of the main Republican health overhaul proposals: "A bill to provide comprehensive reform of the health care system of the United States."
Titled the "Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993," it had 21 co-sponsors, including two Democrats (Sens. Boren and Kerrey). The bill, which was not debated or voted upon, was an alternative to President Bill Clinton's plan. It bears similarity to the Democratic bill passed by the Senate Dec. 24, 2009, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2010/...
exactly, Dems rolled it out. It's their baby. Repubs harping on crossing state lines and tort reform
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Chalfont, PA

#290280 Nov 24, 2013
Repubs are not responsible for a backward website. You should look at the plans before you enter your info to buy the plan
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Chalfont, PA

#290281 Nov 24, 2013
Repubs did not pay $600 + million for a hackable website.
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Chalfont, PA

#290282 Nov 24, 2013
Repubs did not roll out an unfinished website that is always down
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Chalfont, PA

#290283 Nov 24, 2013
Good luck with that Dems
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#290284 Nov 24, 2013
Bollyn's conspiratorial version of events was dissected and torn to shreds when it did not stand up to objective analysis. For example, Bollyn said, "I was thrown into a cell with no water. I asked for a drink of water and was told,'Drink from the toilet'." The Hoffman Estates police cells have a combined toilet and sink with water fountain, as can be seen in the relevant photo here entitled "Adult Cell".

In other words, they didn't serve Bollyn with a glass of water as he entered the cell, and when he asked for water he was told to drink from the fountain above the toilet.

The 9/11 perpetrators hoped that anti-Zionist truth seekers would gloss over the details of the case and go on to make a logical error known as post hoc ergo propter hoc (after this therefore because of this) that confuses correlation with causation. Specifically, they would fall for Bollyn's claim that he had been targeted because he was "exposing" Zionists.

The perps' goal is to isolate 9/11 truth seekers and anti-Zionists from the sheeple who couldn't be bothered to investigate 9/11, so that truth seekers would fall into the trap of perceiving Bollyn as a martyr and a patriot, the laggards would see him as a buffoon and a clown, and the Jews could present him as an "anti-Semite".

The perps also enjoy a bonus in that the truth movement is divided, between those who can see through the likes of Bollyn and those who were duped. In this audio clip from November 12, 2007, Daryl Bradford Smith has a few things to say about Christopher Bollyn.

As with the diagonally cut column, Bollyn's other tasks would be to devalue truth by mixing in disinformation: exaggeration and questionable stories. Examples include his misquoting of Mark Loizeaux regarding where the molten steel was found, his misquoting of Arthur Lerner-Lam as to alleged "seismic spikes", the Sam Danner "Global Hawk" report (which Russell Pickering identified as highly suspect right from day one), the "thermite disguised as batteries" red herring which any demolitionist worth their salt would recognise as nonsense, a satirical article from The Onion submitted as Bollyn's "original work", a suspect article that Bollyn tried to get into the Barnes Review, the "Flight 93 was not shot down but landed at Cleveland" diversion, the unsubstantiated claim that Benjamin Chertoff is a cousin of Michael Chertoff, etc.

The "thermite-filled batteries in the computer room" disinformation was designed to sabotage controlled demolition hypotheses, by encouraging "debunkers" to claim that the yellow-orange flow from WTC2 - powerful evidence of a thermite reaction yielding an iron-rich melt - was actually "lead". No matter that the color was totally inconsistent with the fire-induced collapse propaganda, some people would fall for it. And Bollyn's misquoting of Loizeaux was intended to cast doubt upon the validity of the multiple reports of molten steel. Bollyn even claims that a photo of the jet fuel deflagration is "evidence of thermate".

(Contd.)
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Chalfont, PA

#290285 Nov 24, 2013
OpenSecrets org wrote:
<quoted text>
I truly believe Bush deserved it and so does Obama for selling out all liberal/progressives.
After all Obama passed a Republican health care bill without any Republicans voting for it.
-----
How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate / 10/20/2011 / http://tinyurl.com/7yztznx
ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.
GINGRICH: Thatís not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.
ROMNEY: Yes, we got it from you, and you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.
GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.
ROMNEY: And you never supported them?
GINGRICH: I agree with them, but Iím just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasnít true.
ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?
GINGRICH: I absolutely did with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare.
ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?
ROMNEY: Oh, OK. Thatís what Iím saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.
GINGRICH: OK. A little broader.
ROMNEY: OK.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/10/20/h...
----------
Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans
October 1, 1989 / http://tinyurl.com/8xb6rd9
http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/assu...
========
Obama says Heritage Foundation is source of health exchange idea
March 30th, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/26xm72p
EDITOR'S NOTE: An analysis of this comment by President Barack Obama was published on April 1, 2010. After it appeared, the Heritage Foundation's communications office contacted us to argue that our rating of Mostly True was too generous to the president. We did some additional reporting to review our ruling. Our second round of reporting -- primarily talking to conservative policy experts outside of Heritage -- solidified our initial conclusions. Below is the updated version of our story, which retains the rating of Mostly True, published April 26, 2010.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
-------
Summary Of A 1993 Republican Health Reform Plan
Feb 23, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/amcg2tz
In November, 1993, Sen. John Chafee, R-R.I., introduced what was considered to be one of the main Republican health overhaul proposals: "A bill to provide comprehensive reform of the health care system of the United States."
Titled the "Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993," it had 21 co-sponsors, including two Democrats (Sens. Boren and Kerrey). The bill, which was not debated or voted upon, was an alternative to President Bill Clinton's plan. It bears similarity to the Democratic bill passed by the Senate Dec. 24, 2009, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2010/...
somehow the Dems made it the Unafforable Care Act
OpenSecrets org

Edison, NJ

#290286 Nov 25, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>somehow the Dems made it the Unafforable Care Act
The reason being is that the centrist corporate Obama used the same template as the Bush/Cheney senior citizens prescription drug bill which all American seniors are still paying the highest prices for medicines in the world.

I AM GLAD THE OBAMA WEBSITE DID NOT WORK for the simple reason he sold out all liberal/progressives on healthcare.

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Spending on Lobbying Thrives
Drug and health products industries invest $182 million to influence legislation
April 1, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/ayz3xbx
The law, often cited as a poster child for the industry's influence in Washington, bars the federal government from negotiating on prices of drugs supplied through Medicare. Many other bulk purchasers, including private insurers and federal departments such as the Veterans Health Administration, negotiate with companies for discounts.
A House bill sponsored in 2005 by Oregon Democrat David Wu would have allowed the Secretary of Health and Human Services to negotiate for lower prices for Medicare prescription drugs. A spokeswoman for Wu said the bill never made it out of committee. All similar bills met the same fate.
This session, the new Democratic House passed the Medicare Prescription Drug Price Negotiation Act, which requires price negotiation, and the Senate is considering a companion bill. But the White House has issued a statement that President Bush would veto any push to require drug price negotiations in the Medicare program.
Nearly all major drug companies lobbied heavily to influence how the Medicare prescription drug program would be set up and administered.
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2007/04/01/578...

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Evidence makes Dorganís charge against the White House seem entirely plausible / Dec 18, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/ylz32mr
Yesterday, we reported that Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND) is making an extremely serious accusation - he essentially asserts that the White House political staff coerced the Food and Drug Administration into issuing a safety warning, not on the basis of sound science, but in order to protect the pharmaceutical industry's profits. If this accusation is true, it would mean that the Obama White House engaged in precisely the kind of politicization of science that the Rove White House engaged in.
Details about exactly what happened are going to come out on this in the next few weeks. When they do, we'll report on them. But in the meantime, let's look at two important pieces of circumstantial evidence that supports Dorgan's accusation:
http://openleft.com/diary/16574/evidence-make...

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Dorgan Amendment Slashed After Last Minute Pharma Deall Hasnít Agreed To / December 16, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/yhmpexf
Ryan Grim has a good tick-tock on the failure of the Dorgan amendment last night, delivering a huge victory for the pharmaceutical industry and a blow to consumers who could have saved over $100 billion in prescription drug costs. 30 Democrats and Joe Lieberman ended up voting against this amendment, preserving a backroom deal between PhRMa and the White House to limit their exposure to profit reductions in the overall health care bill.
Grim confirms that the linchpin to this treachery was a deal discussed by Senate leadership the night before, as I surmised previously
http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/12/16/dorgan...
spOko

Oakland, CA

#290287 Nov 25, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
Good luck with that Dems
So, how does this republican controlled House stack up when it comes to productivity? Not so well, the112th Congress is the least productive since they began keeping stats way back in 1947. Is this simple enough for you or would like some Freedom Fries with that?
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Chalfont, PA

#290288 Nov 25, 2013
spOko wrote:
<quoted text>
So, how does this republican controlled House stack up when it comes to productivity? Not so well, the112th Congress is the least productive since they began keeping stats way back in 1947. Is this simple enough for you or would like some Freedom Fries with that?
i didn't know you get Freedom Fries when you "have to pass the bill to know what was in the bill"
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Chalfont, PA

#290289 Nov 25, 2013
spOko wrote:
<quoted text>
So, how does this republican controlled House stack up when it comes to productivity? Not so well, the112th Congress is the least productive since they began keeping stats way back in 1947. Is this simple enough for you or would like some Freedom Fries with that?
and a Democratic President and a Democratic Senate had nothing to do with that? What do you say ace ?
spOko

Oakland, CA

#290290 Nov 25, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>i didn't know you get Freedom Fries when you "have to pass the bill to know what was in the bill"
Your stuttering ....
OpenSecrets org

Edison, NJ

#290291 Nov 26, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Bollyn's conspiratorial version of events was dissected and torn to shreds when it did not stand up to objective analysis. For example, Bollyn said, "I was thrown into a cell with no water. I asked for a drink of water and was told,'Drink from the toilet'." The Hoffman Estates police cells have a combined toilet and sink with water fountain, as can be seen in the relevant photo here entitled "Adult Cell".
In other words, they didn't serve Bollyn with a glass of water as he entered the cell, and when he asked for water he was told to drink from the fountain above the toilet.
The 9/11 perpetrators hoped that anti-Zionist truth seekers would gloss over the details of the case and go on to make a logical error known as post hoc ergo propter hoc (after this therefore because of this) that confuses correlation with causation. Specifically, they would fall for Bollyn's claim that he had been targeted because he was "exposing" Zionists.
The perps' goal is to isolate 9/11 truth seekers and anti-Zionists from the sheeple who couldn't be bothered to investigate 9/11, so that truth seekers would fall into the trap of perceiving Bollyn as a martyr and a patriot, the laggards would see him as a buffoon and a clown, and the Jews could present him as an "anti-Semite".
The perps also enjoy a bonus in that the truth movement is divided, between those who can see through the likes of Bollyn and those who were duped. In this audio clip from November 12, 2007, Daryl Bradford Smith has a few things to say about Christopher Bollyn.
As with the diagonally cut column, Bollyn's other tasks would be to devalue truth by mixing in disinformation: exaggeration and questionable stories. Examples include his misquoting of Mark Loizeaux regarding where the molten steel was found, his misquoting of Arthur Lerner-Lam as to alleged "seismic spikes", the Sam Danner "Global Hawk" report (which Russell Pickering identified as highly suspect right from day one), the "thermite disguised as batteries" red herring which any demolitionist worth their salt would recognise as nonsense, a satirical article from The Onion submitted as Bollyn's "original work", a suspect article that Bollyn tried to get into the Barnes Review, the "Flight 93 was not shot down but landed at Cleveland" diversion, the unsubstantiated claim that Benjamin Chertoff is a cousin of Michael Chertoff, etc.
The "thermite-filled batteries in the computer room" disinformation was designed to sabotage controlled demolition hypotheses, by encouraging "debunkers" to claim that the yellow-orange flow from WTC2 - powerful evidence of a thermite reaction yielding an iron-rich melt - was actually "lead". No matter that the color was totally inconsistent with the fire-induced collapse propaganda, some people would fall for it. And Bollyn's misquoting of Loizeaux was intended to cast doubt upon the validity of the multiple reports of molten steel. Bollyn even claims that a photo of the jet fuel deflagration is "evidence of thermate".
(Contd.)
The only thing new in the world is the history you donít know.
Harry S. Truman
Trevor Swistchew

Edinburgh, UK

#290292 Nov 26, 2013
it is time for all nuclear weapons to be ended and the billions wasted on war to be used to feed the worlds poverty suffering nations
war is a selfish way to live it helps no one not even the "winner" it is good for nothing at all
wherever you are let your leaders know the game is up
no more war end poverty now
Trevor Swistchew

Edinburgh, UK

#290293 Nov 26, 2013
post this message to everyone you know spread it over the earth let everyone know the great lie of war it wastes life and keeps millions in poverty it is now the age where humanity must live in a harmonious way for the greater good of all
no more war

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