'The War Is Not Over'

'The War Is Not Over'

There are 276627 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Sep 12, 2006, titled 'The War Is Not Over'. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

WASHINGTON - President Bush led the nation on Monday in marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept.

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ABs

Aiken, SC

#288886 Jul 16, 2013
spocko wrote:
Tell me it’s a sick joke: Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers, the mofo who tops the list of those responsible for sabotaging the world’s economy, is lobbying to be the next chairman of the Federal Reserve. Summers was one of the key players during the Clinton years in creating the mortgage derivative bubble that ended up costing tens of millions of Americans their homes and life savings. This is the friggen genius who pushed the banking lobby’s successful effort to make the sale of unregulated bundles of mortgage securities and the phony insurance swaps, which backed them, perfectly legal and totally unmonitored. Those are the toxic bundles that the Federal Reserve is still unloading from the banks at a cost of trillions of dollars.
Summers is the very guy who should have been tarred and feathered and hang from a lamp post in the village square.
Tell me if this is a sick joke...WHY ARE THE PEOPLES OF COLOR IN YOUR HOME STATE ROBBING WALMARTS IN HONOR OF TRAYVON??? I see another white trucker brick party coming...
ABs

Aiken, SC

#288887 Jul 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
What sort of "evasive" response is that?
Doubt of Conspiracy arises when the official answers are not straightforward and they leave "big gaping holes" in it.
I have explained many "gaping holes" in the Hijacking Episode itself. And you did not provide any "Logical answers" to any of them.
The same is with the actual fall of WTC Towers. They cannot fall in that way, just because a "Lucky strike" by Jets.
They "Had to fall" because the whole operation was planned.
And what is this "condition" that conspirators should come forward and say "We were part of conspiracy"? There were only "Few Key persons" that knew exactly what was happening, others might not even be aware.
Boy, you need growing up!!
Evasive? moi? No way comrade...just a sesitive baby back rib loving human being...so I take it the mullah will not allow you to apologize to a non-muslim, yes? Ask your mullah WWAD...what would allah do? I am still hurt that you accused me of premature e-post-alation though...WWMD? But I understand you living in a country where you are not free to speak your mind, so we can pretend that you did the right thing and apologized for being so denegrating to your dear friend ABsy...ok? Fair enough...

But getting back to evasive why you not answer the question??? It is a simple question don't you agree? How can so many people be in on this conspiracy and yet not a peep from ANYONE? How long did it take for the truth about the death of Elvis to come out? Or that muhammid TOOK a nine year old for his bride....or that Bill Clinton actually DID have sexual relations? Eventually the truth ALWAYS comes out...so out of the hundreds, possibly thousands if you include the folks that had to prep the buildings for demolition, that had to play along with a government cover up of 9-11...not a SINGLE person speaks out? None, nada, zip, zilda...not a single insider...how do you explain that, comrade?

Did you know thaat CNN and Fox news both offered millions of dollars to anyone having any information of a cover up...and guess what? No takers, not one...
ABs

Aiken, SC

#288888 Jul 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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...And what is this "condition" that conspirators should come forward and say "We were part of conspiracy"? There were only "Few Key persons" that knew exactly what was happening, others might not even be aware.
Boy, you need growing up!!
Whether I need growing up or not has no bearing on the manpower effort required to prepare from 4 to 8 buildings for demolition...do you have any idea what is required to install these LSCs or linear shaped cutters as they are know as??? It is easier to bury your head in the sand (no pun intended) and pretend that just a few people knew about the demolition...IMPOSSIBLE...at some point you have to verify something yourself instead of just sheepling along with the truther nutz based on unsubstantiated BS...I find the fact that you are an engineer a contradiction to being a sheepl, unless of course you only do it out of hate...
ABs

Aiken, SC

#288889 Jul 16, 2013
spocko wrote:
Tell me it’s a sick joke...
Speaking of sick, I hear that the 6 women in the Trayvon Martin jury where all friends of Paula Deen...
ABs

Aiken, SC

#288891 Jul 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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...Doubt of Conspiracy arises when the official answers are not straightforward and they leave "big gaping holes" in it.
I have explained many "gaping holes" in the Hijacking Episode itself. And you did not provide any "Logical answers" to any of them...
Food for thought Comrade...For simplicity sake you are commander in chief of a country the size of the European Continent. The first plane crashes into a skyscraper, you have to ascertain if it was an accident from a drunk pilot or if it is something more sinister. You have thousands of flights in the air. While you are trying to gather information on whether the first plane was accidental or not, the second plane hits another skyscraper. Now your worse nightmare is confirmed...you order all planes to the ground immediately.

Thousands of planes are scrambling every which way and in every direction, even have them incoming from every airport in the world...in the time that it would take you or me to consume a basket of fish and chips and a pint of ale, in my case baby back ribs and a budweiser...you have to gather information from every major and minor airport in the entire EU to find out if pilots are following a pre-planned, but never invoked protocol of reporting to air control at these thousands of airports.

You wait anxiously as a few hundred, then a few hundred more, and so on...emergency land as ordered. Remember now, we're talking in the timeframe that you would enjoy a meal and a beverage. Airports throughout your nation are attempting to safely bring in more airplanes in an hour then they will safely bring in on one of their entire busiest days. You take into account that the number of civilians in flight in that timeframe is in the tens, but more likely in the hundreds of thousands.

Now Mr. Commander in Chief...you have information pouring in from every direction, Brussels, Amsterdam, Rome, Paris, London, but what about all the not so major cities? Communication at those locations may not be the most modern and sophisticated, so the information is ragged and slow at best flowing in to you.

You still have several hundred flights that you do not know if they have followed protocol, are being driven by terrorists or are merely having communication problems. There is an average of 100 passengers on each, potentially 20000 innocent civilians and NO IDEA how many are being controlled by terrorists...

What is your call! Once again take in mind all this information and all these events are taking place in a country as large as Europe and you still haven't confirmed if all the incoming fights from other countries are infiltrated with terrorists or not, and even though the pilots have been instructed to divert to other countries you still haven't received confirmation that they all are complying or have received the orders.

(Continued)...
ABs

Aiken, SC

#288892 Jul 16, 2013
Food for thought comrade MUQ...continued...
...Your first logical course of action, you scramble the Air Force to the international incoming flight routes to insure that what is happening is not some foreign invasion taking place...secure the perimeter. You give the Air Force authorization to escort and if necessary, engage in any international flight that refuses orders to divert as instructed, but you have not received confirmation that they all have received such instructions.
In the midst of it all you receive officially unconfirmed information that flight 77 MIGHT be a hijacking. You have to take time to ingest whether this information is reliable so you pause, hoping to buy enough time to receive Absolute confirmation that the flight is in fact in the hands of operatives. About the time you decipher and decide that you should redeploy the nearest squadron, you remember that they have been mobilized to the perimeter and you are unsure if they can u-turn and make it back in time.

You activate the missile defense system but by engaging the system you realize that 20,000 people will die, not to mention the collateral damage from the falling debris, the missiles that miss their targets, etc. More reports pour in that more pilots have reported in per protocol from your MAJOR international airports, but you need more time to ascertain the reports from secondary airports...but unfortunately you do not have the luxury of time. Confirmation finally comes in that Flight 77 is indeed not responding to calls, but you are still unsure if it is hijacked, or merely a malfunction of communication equipment. You have the power to take it out of the sky but then instead of the direct route it is taking towards your Federal Capitol, it begins to veer into a circular pattern. You are looking for any sign that you do not have to kill the innocents on the plane, so for a moment you take that as a positive sign that maybe, just maybe, the plane is circling to get in position to land at nearby Brussels International, very close proximity to the Hague. And just as you seem to have a glimmer of hope the plane veers again and hits the UN Center...but you are the leader, you have to immediately re-focus on the other issues, international flights, secondary airports, planes scrambling everywhere...
Continued...
ABs

Aiken, SC

#288893 Jul 16, 2013
Final chapter comrade MUQ...continued...

...So many thoughts, so many decisions to make in the time it takes you to eat and drink a simple meal...you have but a brief moment to think...your mind flashes, do I take out 20000 people or do I risk the chance that if only a few of the planes have been hijacked, maybe the innocent lives lost will be only...say a little over 3,000. You struggle with the decision, 20000 deaths by my missiles...a brief hope that maybe the loss of lives will be less if you just play out the event and secure the perimeter...

A trigger happy EUC commander dying to use all this great state of the art wartime defense equipment you have invested billions on, is screaming at you, snapping you out of the mental lapse...”Do we engage, I need the order sir.” The cabinet members are screaming in the other ear,“Sir - you realize the retribution if you shoot down planes and kill thousands of people that are on flights that are not controlled by terrorists; your political career is over, lawsuits galore, ACLU demonstrating in the DC Mall.” The EUC commander screams again,“Mr. Commander in Chief, am I authorized to shoot down all remaining aircraft?”

The Vice Commander in Chief is recommending more time before acting, planes are circling over MAJOR metropolitan areas in France, Spain, Italy, Sweden, UK, Germany, Sweden, Portugal, Poland, loss of life no matter which way you turn...planes are circling over hundreds of smaller metropolitan areas of less than a million people each...
So what is your decision Mr. Commander in Chief? And how are you going to explain yourself for the decision you make when it is all over with, knowing full well that no matter what you decide, people are forever going to second guess your decision no matter what you choose? Why did you opt for the 20000 deaths in lieu of a few buildings whose occupants may have had a better chance at surviving then the ones in the planes? Why did you do nothing and let the planes take out the buildings? Why did you concentrate on securing the perimeter first? Not to mention the few that believes that you are in on the attack...
...all this in the time you take every day for a quick kneel praying to mecca, having a quick meal and a drink...that was our 9-11-01...what decisions did you have to deal with on that day other than how to hate America more?

If you are ready to debate logically, lets get started...okay?
spocko

Oakland, CA

#288894 Jul 16, 2013
ABs wrote:
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Tell me if this is a sick joke...WHY ARE THE PEOPLES OF COLOR IN YOUR HOME STATE ROBBING WALMARTS IN HONOR OF TRAYVON??? I see another white trucker brick party coming...
Huh? It's just like any other day to rob WalMart ...:)
spocko

Oakland, CA

#288895 Jul 16, 2013
An open letter to whites about the black community and the Trayvon Martin case
http://themolinist.wordpress.com/2013/07/14/a...
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AOL

#288896 Jul 16, 2013
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Revelation's FALSE PROPHET ....In Plain View



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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#288897 Jul 17, 2013
AB s wrote:
1.

Evasive? moi? No way comrade...just a sesitive baby back rib loving human being...so I take it the mullah will not allow you to apologize to a non-muslim, yes? Ask your mullah WWAD...

But getting back to evasive why you not answer the question??? It is a simple question don't you agree? How can so many people be in on this conspiracy and yet not a peep from ANYONE? How long did it take for the truth about the death of Elvis to come out?

Did you know thaat CNN and Fox news both offered millions of dollars to anyone having any information of a cover up...and guess what? No takers, not one.

2.

Whether I need growing up or not has no bearing on the manpower effort required to prepare from 4 to 8 buildings for demolition...do you have any idea what is required to install these LSC s or linear shaped cutters as they are know as??? It is easier to bury your head in the sand (no pun intended) and pretend that just a few people knew about the

3.
Ans.

1. You are just posting down "meaningless and evasive posts" that carry no meaning.

2. Yes the Truth comes out, provided there is will to investigate and accept it.

If you would have accepted "official theory" about Watergate and Clinton Scandal, the matters would have ended.

But people kept on pressing for truth and they got it.

03. But in the case of 9/11, most people just accept "official version" even when there are so many holes in it.

They do it, because they have "guilty conscience" about it. They have already attacked two countries and killed more than a million humans there.

So they have a "national shame" to trace back and say "it was a mistake".

That is the "main reason" they keep on defending "official 9/11 theory."

04. For me there is no such concern, I will now start posting from reports that show, holes in the official theory.

Please give you comments at each episode, so we get along, with our discussions.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#288898 Jul 17, 2013
911 Reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job. PART-: 1

http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-09-12/911-reason-...

3 towers, 2 jets

WTC Fires and Madrid Building Fire:

1. In February 2005, the 32-storey Windsor Building in the financial district of Madrid, Spain was completely engulfed by flames for 20 consecutive hours. I repeat: 20 consecutive hours. The structure did not collapse. In fact, after the fire was finally extinguished, a huge construction crane was seen perched on the roof of the building as raw testimony to the practical indestructibility of steel as a construction material.


2. Now compare the fire in Madrid that burned continuously for 20 hours, without compromising the structure, to two relatively low-temperature fires inside the formidably constructed WTC buildings. As the investigators would have us believe, those fires caused both structures to disappear, in mirror-image collapses, into their own footprints in less than one hour.
3. On October 18, 2004, an inferno gutted the top 20 floors of the 50-storey Parque Central Tower in Caracas, Venezuela. The fire burned for 17 consecutive hours, but the steel structure did not collapse.
4. By contrast, the fires burning inside of the World Trade Center buildings were textbook examples of oxygen-starved fires, visible by the dark gray smoke that emitted from both structures. Indeed, very few flames were visible at all. Furthermore, many tenants of the stricken buildings were able to walk down the emergency steps past the point of impact where the planes had struck.

5. Brian Clark, a South Tower survivor, was working in his office at Euro Brokers Inc. when, at 9:03am, United Airlines 175 crashed into the 78th Floor. Euro Brokers’ office was situated on the 84th floor, 6 storey above the impact of the jetliner. Yet Clark, together with other fellow employees, managed to escape from the South Tower, walking down the building’s inside stairwell and past the point of impact.
6.“When I looked down there, I didn’t see flames,” Clark said in an interview for the film Zero.“We decided to go as far as we could until we would be stopped by flames. When we came to the 78th floor (the point of impact), there were flames licking up the other side of the wall… It wasn’t a roaring inferno. I sensed that the flames were maybe starved for oxygen right there. We kept going, and when we got to the 74th floor… normal conditions: the lights were on, and there was fresh air coming up from below.”

7. Another indication that the WTC fires were far below the temperatures needed for a catastrophic collapse was evident by the tragic image of office workers who were filmed standing inside the gaping mouth of the airplanes’ point of entry, desperately waiting to be rescued. Indeed, much of the jet fuel that both airplanes were carrying was immediately blown out of the buildings upon impact in magnificent orange fireballs.

Your comments Mr. AB s?
ABs

Aiken, SC

#288899 Jul 17, 2013
MUQ wrote:
911 Reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job.
1. In February 2005, the 32-storey Windsor Building in the financial district of Madrid, Spain was completely engulfed by flames for 20 consecutive hours...
2. Now compare the fire in Madrid that burned continuously for 20 hours, without compromising the structure...
3. On October 18, 2004, an inferno gutted the top 20 floors of the 50-storey Parque Central Tower in Caracas, Venezuela.
4. By contrast, the fires burning inside of the World Trade Center buildings were textbook examples of oxygen-starved fires,
5. Brian Clark, a South Tower survivor...walking down the building’s inside stairwell and past the point of impact.
6.“When I looked down there, I didn’t see flames,” Clark said in an interview for the film Zero.“We decided to go as far as we could until we would be stopped by flames...
7. Another indication that the WTC fires were far below the temperatures needed for a catastrophic collapse was evident by the tragic image ...
Your comments Mr. AB s?
1 and 2...you are incorrect, the madrid building partially collapsed without even being hit by 800 Foot per second 30 foot diameter aluminum sphere loaded with jet fuel...but then you know that and choose to ignore this obvious fact, why is that?

3...again wrong, partially collapsed and as you well know...the venezuelan tower sustained major damage because firefighting efforts were hampered by non-working automatic sprinkler and standpipe systems. It was feared that the concrete-and-steel structure could be damaged severely enough to collapse, and internal firefighting efforts were pulled in the interest of safety. Two steel decks partially collapsed, and deflection in some steel beams was later found to be severe. The fire burned itself out in the early morning of October 19 AND AGAIN you choose to leave out the obvious fact that it was not hit by 800 Foot per second 30 foot diameter aluminum sphere loaded with jet fuel cousing damage to the main core structure...why is that?

4. As an engineer that should clue you in on the fact that fire alone probably would not have taken down part or all of the WTC buildings 1 thru 7...someone with a brain should slap you upside the head and state the obvious, WHAT IMPACT DID DAMAGE CAUSED BY 800 FOOT PER SECOND 30 FOOT PLUS DIAMETER FUEL LAIDEN ALUMINUM SPHERES HAVE ON A BUILDING's SOUNDNESS?

5. and 6. Things that make you go DUH HUH!...As an engineer think about it for a second...the airliner that struck the North Tower struck it perpendicular to the north face, its impact severing all the elevators and all three stairwells. The airliner that struck the South Tower struck at an angle. It severed two stairwells but left Stairway A, the one they were using, more or less intact...so of course he would not see what was visible to the other two stairwells...but if you want his true testimony...yes RECORDED FOR ALL TIME testimony, start here...in King ABsDullah will allow you access...or not, choose to stay ignorant and keep hate alive...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Clark_ (9/11_attacks_survivor)

7. What impact did the impact have on the failure and what impact did the impact of over 200 stories of buildings have on smaller buildings? Not to mention, if your basis is that there were not fires enough to cause the structure failure and ultimate collapse does that mean that later on you are NOT going to bring up the molten metal argument to contradict this one?
ABs

Aiken, SC

#288900 Jul 17, 2013
Please stop the muslim on muslim violence and murder NOW...how can Islam principle based on a split moon take over the world if your peoples can't get along, comrade MUQ?

An average of 6,000 Syrians are fleeing their war-ravaged country every day, causing the world's worst refugee crisis since the Rwandan genocide, the United Nations warns. The UN's refugee chief says the outflow of refugees has escalated at "a frightening rate" since the beginning of this year, causing a "crushing impact" on neighboring countries including Turkey and Lebanon, the BBC reports. A Security Council meeting was also told that the conflict is claiming some 5,000 lives a month.

The world is "not only watching the destruction of a country but also of its people," the UN's aid chief said, warning that 6.8 million Syrians—half of them children—are in urgent need of humanitarian aid. "The security, economic, political, social, development, and humanitarian consequences of this crisis are extremely grave and its human impact immeasurable in terms of the long-term trauma and emotional impact on this and future generations of Syrians," she said. Syria's ambassador to the UN, meanwhile, claimed the regime was doing "everything possible to shoulder its responsibility and its duty to its people."
Therealnews com

New Brunswick, NJ

#288901 Jul 17, 2013
MUQ wrote:
911 Reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job. PART-: 1
http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-09-12/911-reason-...
3 towers, 2 jets
WTC Fires and Madrid Building Fire:
1. In February 2005, the 32-storey Windsor Building in the financial district of Madrid, Spain was completely engulfed by flames for 20 consecutive hours. I repeat: 20 consecutive hours. The structure did not collapse. In fact, after the fire was finally extinguished, a huge construction crane was seen perched on the roof of the building as raw testimony to the practical indestructibility of steel as a construction material.
2. Now compare the fire in Madrid that burned continuously for 20 hours, without compromising the structure, to two relatively low-temperature fires inside the formidably constructed WTC buildings. As the investigators would have us believe, those fires caused both structures to disappear, in mirror-image collapses, into their own footprints in less than one hour.
3. On October 18, 2004, an inferno gutted the top 20 floors of the 50-storey Parque Central Tower in Caracas, Venezuela. The fire burned for 17 consecutive hours, but the steel structure did not collapse.
4. By contrast, the fires burning inside of the World Trade Center buildings were textbook examples of oxygen-starved fires, visible by the dark gray smoke that emitted from both structures. Indeed, very few flames were visible at all. Furthermore, many tenants of the stricken buildings were able to walk down the emergency steps past the point of impact where the planes had struck.
5. Brian Clark, a South Tower survivor, was working in his office at Euro Brokers Inc. when, at 9:03am, United Airlines 175 crashed into the 78th Floor. Euro Brokers’ office was situated on the 84th floor, 6 storey above the impact of the jetliner. Yet Clark, together with other fellow employees, managed to escape from the South Tower, walking down the building’s inside stairwell and past the point of impact.
6.“When I looked down there, I didn’t see flames,” Clark said in an interview for the film Zero.“We decided to go as far as we could until we would be stopped by flames. When we came to the 78th floor (the point of impact), there were flames licking up the other side of the wall… It wasn’t a roaring inferno. I sensed that the flames were maybe starved for oxygen right there. We kept going, and when we got to the 74th floor… normal conditions: the lights were on, and there was fresh air coming up from below.”
7. Another indication that the WTC fires were far below the temperatures needed for a catastrophic collapse was evident by the tragic image of office workers who were filmed standing inside the gaping mouth of the airplanes’ point of entry, desperately waiting to be rescued. Indeed, much of the jet fuel that both airplanes were carrying was immediately blown out of the buildings upon impact in magnificent orange fireballs.
Your comments Mr. AB s?
Your shooting blanks my friend.

Your link is an Error 404

After 12 years since September 11, 2001, you would think that the thousands of NYPD and thousands of FDNY of first responders would be screaming Conspiracy.

Not a sound is coming from them. Nothing.

MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#288912 Jul 17, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
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Your shooting blanks my friend.
Your link is an Error 404
After 12 years since September 11, 2001, you would think that the thousands of NYPD and thousands of FDNY of first responders would be screaming Conspiracy.
Not a sound is coming from them. Nothing.
They have "already" fought two wars over it, how stupid would they look now demanding they be "told the truth"?

It is catch 22 situation for them....the false sense of nationalism and patriotism.

Talk logic and do not go into side issues.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#288996 Jul 18, 2013
AB s wrote:
1 and 2...you are incorrect, the madrid building partially collapsed without even being hit by 800 Foot per second 30 foot diameter aluminum sphere loaded with jet fuel...but then you know that and choose to ignore this obvious fact, why is that?

3...again wrong, partially collapsed and as you well know...the venezuelan tower sustained major damage because firefighting efforts were hampered by non-working automatic sprinkler and standpipe systems.

4. As an engineer that should clue you in on the fact that fire alone probably would not have taken down part or all of the WTC buildings 1 thru 7...someone with a brain should slap you upside the head and state the obvious,

5. and 6. Things that make you go DUH HUH!...As an engineer think about it for a second...the airliner that struck the North Tower struck it perpendicular to the north face, its impact severing all the elevators and all three stairwells.

7. What impact did the impact have on the failure and what impact did the impact of over 200 stories of buildings have on smaller buildings?
Ans.

1 & 2. Having "serious damage" and falling to base are two different things. It is you who is being dishonest.

3. Again you are hiding the fact, partial collapse and partial damage to columns is different from what we saw in WTC collapse.

4. And I see you are harping "too much" on buildings hit by a Jet flying at full speed.

What about WTC-7? Which jet hit it and why it had a "similar collapse"?

5. It only took 45 to 90 minutes of Fire for these towers to collapse like "Nine Pins"… even if the jets had sliced thru entire building, the bottom floors should have provided resistance?

6 and 7. So you think "whole debris" of WTC-1 and WTC-2 fell on "poor WTC-7" causing it to collapse? Do you not know that is fell in a "similar manner" after 7 or 8 hours of WTC main towers?

Your mental outlook is clear from your post, you will defend "tooth and nail" the official theory on 9/11.

As our discussion progresses, we will see how weak are your arguments.

Now I will post the next installment of the report for your comments.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#288997 Jul 18, 2013
911 Reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job. PART-: 2

http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-09-12/911-reason-...

NIST Playing with DATA:
8. Kevin Ryan is a former engineer from Underwriters Laboratory (UL), a highly reputable company that was subcontracted to test the hypothesis of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) as to how the WTC towers collapsed. Ryan and his colleagues used model replicas of the WTC towers to test the ability of the structures to remain standing in the event of a fire.
9.“We did test the floor models in August 2004,” Ryan said,“and those tests disproved the primary theory behind the collapse of the buildings.”“The floor models didn’t collapse in the tests,” Ryan said,“and these (models) were in furnaces in much hotter temperatures, for a longer period of time (as compared with the temperature and endurance of the fires on 9-11). Yet, they still did not collapse.”

10. According to Ryan, in order for NIST to get the results they were looking for, they “manipulated the test parameters. They doubled one thing, and cut something else in half. They doubled the time their computer model exposed the columns to fire – 90 minutes, as opposed to 50 minutes.”
11. Eventually, NIST was forced to substitute the “pancake theory”(which wrongly hypothesized that the combined force of the upper floors began a domino effect downward) for the “inward bowing theory,” which argues that the floors and walls of the WTC buildings buckled to the point where they could no longer support the weight of the structure – an equally implausible explanation for the collapses, given the low temperatures inside the structures.
12. Ryan was fired from his job with Underwriters Laboratory one week after he challenged the results of the NIST report, the US government’s official version of the reasons for the WTC collapses.
13. It is important to remember that the WTC was specifically designed to withstand the impact of not one, but several airplanes crashing into it, as well as powerful winds that the architects understood would regularly pummel the structure.
14. The inner “core” of the World Trade Center towers, a mixture of steel and concrete that housed the elevator shafts and stairwells, can best be described as formidable. This inner supporting section, which measured an area of 87 by 135 feet (27 by 41 m), was composed of 47 steel columns packed in cement that ran the entire length of the structures. If left untouched, the towers were constructed to “outlive the pyramids,” as one engineer told me.
“We designed the buildings to resist the impact of one or more airliners,” said Frank De Martini, WTC construction manager.

Your comments Mr. AB s?
Storm Warning

De Forest, WI

#289000 Jul 18, 2013
they scammed us into this war so they could remove little thing like the bill of rights
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Sunbury, PA

#289032 Jul 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
911 Reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job. PART-: 2
http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-09-12/911-reason-...
NIST Playing with DATA:
8. Kevin Ryan is a former engineer from Underwriters Laboratory (UL), a highly reputable company that was subcontracted to test the hypothesis of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) as to how the WTC towers collapsed. Ryan and his colleagues used model replicas of the WTC towers to test the ability of the structures to remain standing in the event of a fire.
9.“We did test the floor models in August 2004,” Ryan said,“and those tests disproved the primary theory behind the collapse of the buildings.”“The floor models didn’t collapse in the tests,” Ryan said,“and these (models) were in furnaces in much hotter temperatures, for a longer period of time (as compared with the temperature and endurance of the fires on 9-11). Yet, they still did not collapse.”
10. According to Ryan, in order for NIST to get the results they were looking for, they “manipulated the test parameters. They doubled one thing, and cut something else in half. They doubled the time their computer model exposed the columns to fire – 90 minutes, as opposed to 50 minutes.”
11. Eventually, NIST was forced to substitute the “pancake theory”(which wrongly hypothesized that the combined force of the upper floors began a domino effect downward) for the “inward bowing theory,” which argues that the floors and walls of the WTC buildings buckled to the point where they could no longer support the weight of the structure – an equally implausible explanation for the collapses, given the low temperatures inside the structures.
12. Ryan was fired from his job with Underwriters Laboratory one week after he challenged the results of the NIST report, the US government’s official version of the reasons for the WTC collapses.
13. It is important to remember that the WTC was specifically designed to withstand the impact of not one, but several airplanes crashing into it, as well as powerful winds that the architects understood would regularly pummel the structure.
14. The inner “core” of the World Trade Center towers, a mixture of steel and concrete that housed the elevator shafts and stairwells, can best be described as formidable. This inner supporting section, which measured an area of 87 by 135 feet (27 by 41 m), was composed of 47 steel columns packed in cement that ran the entire length of the structures. If left untouched, the towers were constructed to “outlive the pyramids,” as one engineer told me.
“We designed the buildings to resist the impact of one or more airliners,” said Frank De Martini, WTC construction manager.
Your comments Mr. AB s?
Truthers are full of baloney

12. They fired from UL. Means that other engineers had more common sense

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