'The War Is Not Over'

There are 276685 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Sep 12, 2006, titled 'The War Is Not Over'. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

WASHINGTON - President Bush led the nation on Monday in marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept.

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ABs

Aiken, SC

#287939 May 20, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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So you want our discussions to end?
Not at all...but once in a while you have to lighten up and not take everything so seriously, comrade, do you not agree? Even muhammid had a sense of humor so I hear...
ABs

Aiken, SC

#287940 May 20, 2013
So comrade MUQ, when you are ready to forgive someone who likes to joke around lets get back to the subject shall we?
So why is it that the more the world gets connected via the WWW these events like seas parting, moons splitting, staffs into snakes, a few fish and a cup of water feeding thousands, etc do not happen anymore?
And why is it do you suppose that all these amazing miraculous events happened thousands of years ago in ancient times and no longer happen today? Is it because there are to many witnesses with to many technological advanced recording devices nowadays? It is easy to claim moons splitting and seas parting when you know it will not show up on youtube...do you agree?
ABs

Aiken, SC

#287941 May 20, 2013
And while we are discussing Russian and US intervention in Syria I think we both agree the two giants should not make Syria the starting place for World War III...do we also agree that hezbollah should stay out of Syrian affairs as well?

Hezbollah fighters from Lebanon have taken their most prominent role yet in the Syrian civil war, fighting alongside Bashar al-Assad's forces as the military attempts to regain control of a strategic rebel-held city near the Lebanese order. Activists say at least 23 members of the Iran-backed militant group have been killed in the fight for Qusair and more than a hundred wounded, the AP reports. After days of shelling, government forces now control 60% of the city, according to state media.

The battle, which both sides describe as one of the fiercest of the war, is seen as a potential turning point because Assad is believed to consider control of Qusair key to regaining control of the north and east of Syria—or to consolidating his hold on the west, splitting the country, the New York Times reports.The involvement of Hezbollah has raised fears of a regional conflict even further, and Israel has threatened more airstrikes unless the militia is reined in, Reuters reports.
ABs

Aiken, SC

#287942 May 20, 2013
henry wrote:
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All they believe is in a Phantom!
Hey hank, you would have been better off arguing with Tinyearl that way back when, millions and millions believed the world was flat...and even more believed the sun revolved around the earth...
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#287943 May 20, 2013
ABs wrote:
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Agreed, I did. I also came up with a question of what the connection is with Buffet and Obumble and why Warren has bought hisself a slave....care to venture why someone who has made billions in investing in oil and energy would oppose the pipeline?
I am surprised tinyearl has not interjected with his knowledge of wall street hackism...
Democrats and Republicans are one and the same, for the most part.

They all worship at the Wall Street Altar.

Money talks, and is King in Washington DC.

Follow the money and it almost always leads to the truth.

ABs, The recent Sequester proved that only Republican NASCAR and Democratic Hollywood benefited, while American workers lost paying more in FICA taxes.

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Twenty-five people at the heart of the meltdown
26 January 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/bwrl8l
The worst economic turmoil since the Great Depression is not a natural phenomenon but a man-made disaster in which we all played a part. In the second part of a week-long series looking behind the slump, Guardian City editor Julia Finch picks out the individuals who have led us into the current crisis
1. Alan Greenspan, chairman of US Federal Reserve 1987- 2006 2. Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England 3. Bill Clinton, former US president 4. Gordon Brown, prime minister 5. George W Bush, former US president 6. Senator Phil Gramm 7. Abby Cohen, Goldman Sachs chief US strategist 8. Kathleen Corbet, former CEO, Standard & Poor's 9. Hank" Greenberg, AIG insurance group 10. Andy Hornby, former HBOS boss
11. Sir Fred Goodwin, former RBS boss 12. Steve Crawshaw, former B&B boss
13. Adam Applegarth, former Northern Rock boss 14. Dick Fuld, Lehman Brothers chief executive 15. Ralph Cioffi and Matthew Tannin 16. Lewis Ranieri 17. Joseph Cassano, AIG Financial Products 18. Chuck Prince, former Citi boss 19. Angelo Mozilo, Countrywide Financial 20. Stan O'Neal, former boss of Merrill Lynch
21. Jimmy Cayne, former Bear Stearns boss 22. Christopher Dodd, chairman, Senate banking committee 23. Geir Haarde, Icelandic prime minister 24. The American public
25. John Tiner, FSA chief executive, 2003-07 26. Andrew Lahde 27. John Paulson, hedge fund boss 28. Professor Nouriel Roubini 29. Warren Buffett, billionaire investor 30. George Soros, speculator 31. Stephen Eismann, hedge fund manager 32. Meredith Whitney, Oppenheimer Securities
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/2...

The bankruptcy barons
27 January 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/bb9fax
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/2...
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#287944 May 20, 2013
henry wrote:
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"1984" (Orwell) is no fiction any more!
Eric Arthur Blair had it right, I agree.
I love Inferior Races

Podgorica, Montenegro

#287945 May 20, 2013
Democracynow org wrote:
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Democrats and Republicans are one and the same, for the most part.
They all worship at the Wall Street Altar.
Money talks, and is King in Washington DC.
Follow the money and it almost always leads to the truth.
ABs, The recent Sequester proved that only Republican NASCAR and Democratic Hollywood benefited, while American workers lost paying more in FICA taxes.
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Twenty-five people at the heart of the meltdown
26 January 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/bwrl8l
The worst economic turmoil since the Great Depression is not a natural phenomenon but a man-made disaster in which we all played a part. In the second part of a week-long series looking behind the slump, Guardian City editor Julia Finch picks out the individuals who have led us into the current crisis
1. Alan Greenspan, chairman of US Federal Reserve 1987- 2006 2. Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England 3. Bill Clinton, former US president 4. Gordon Brown, prime minister 5. George W Bush, former US president 6. Senator Phil Gramm 7. Abby Cohen, Goldman Sachs chief US strategist 8. Kathleen Corbet, former CEO, Standard & Poor's 9. Hank" Greenberg, AIG insurance group 10. Andy Hornby, former HBOS boss
11. Sir Fred Goodwin, former RBS boss 12. Steve Crawshaw, former B&B boss
13. Adam Applegarth, former Northern Rock boss 14. Dick Fuld, Lehman Brothers chief executive 15. Ralph Cioffi and Matthew Tannin 16. Lewis Ranieri 17. Joseph Cassano, AIG Financial Products 18. Chuck Prince, former Citi boss 19. Angelo Mozilo, Countrywide Financial 20. Stan O'Neal, former boss of Merrill Lynch
21. Jimmy Cayne, former Bear Stearns boss 22. Christopher Dodd, chairman, Senate banking committee 23. Geir Haarde, Icelandic prime minister 24. The American public
25. John Tiner, FSA chief executive, 2003-07 26. Andrew Lahde 27. John Paulson, hedge fund boss 28. Professor Nouriel Roubini 29. Warren Buffett, billionaire investor 30. George Soros, speculator 31. Stephen Eismann, hedge fund manager 32. Meredith Whitney, Oppenheimer Securities
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/2...
The bankruptcy barons
27 January 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/bb9fax
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/2...
Democracy is biggest Lie in Human History
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#287946 May 20, 2013
henry wrote:
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Well, Jesus died 2000 Years ago!
The Bible pulsates with LIFE and is NOT a dead book.

JESUS always WAS, IS, and came back from the dead, and LIVES today and forever.
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#287947 May 20, 2013
I love Inferior Races wrote:
<quoted text>Democracy is biggest Lie in Human History
The Constitution 101:

In the Federalist Papers it said: We were not going to have a monarchy, and we were not going to have a democracy.$$$$$$$

And to this day we have neither. For two hundred years we have had an oligarchical system in which men of property can do well (Dumbya Bush), and others are on their own.$$$$$$$

American politics is essentially a family affair, as are most oligarchies. When the father of the Constitution, James Madison, was asked how on earth any business could get done in Congress when the country contained 100 million people whose representatives would number half a thousand, Madison took the line that oligarchy's iron law always obtains: A few people invariably run the show; and keep it, if they can, in the family.$$$$$$$

Our founding fathers had such a fear and loathing of democracy that they invented the Electoral College so that the popular voice of the people could be throttled, much as the Supreme Court throttled the Floridians on December 12, 2000.$$$$$$$

We were to be neither a democracy, subject to majoritarian tyranny, nor a dictatorship, subject to Caesarean folly.$$$$$$$

As American media is controlled by that corporate America which provides us with political candidates a well-informed electorate is not possible.$$$$$$$

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"We can have democracy in this country or we can have great concentrated wealth in the hands of a few, but we cannot have both."

--Louis Brandeis
Supreme Court Justice
1941

"The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it."

--Edward Dowling
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#287948 May 20, 2013
henry wrote:
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Silly religious garbage!
History proves the Garden of Eden was in Iraq.
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#287949 May 20, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
I think you are talking more from emotional outburst than reason and logic.
The Gospel of John is not the one to base your faith on. The writer puts his own word and thoughts in the mouth of Jesus.
Jesus as depicted in the Gospel of John is totally different from what we find in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke.
Why only Jesus, souls of all Prophets and even every human being were existing before Abraham came into the world.
You are trying to read too much into the OT books and mixing Paul's logic into it.
Jesus was a human prophet, created by a special miracle of God. He did not become God and never was God.
God does not change forms and come as Jesus, this is Hindu Philosophy of God taking human form.
MUQ my friend,

You cannot have it both ways.

Either JESUS was a liar and a fraud, OR, HE was GOD came down from Heaven and born of a virgin.

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Matthew 1:1-17



The Genealogy of Jesus the Messiah

1 This is the genealogy[a] of Jesus the Messiah[b] the son of David, the son of Abraham:

2 Abraham was the father of Isaac,

Isaac the father of Jacob,

Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,

3 Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,

Perez the father of Hezron,

Hezron the father of Ram,

4 Ram the father of Amminadab,

Amminadab the father of Nahshon,

Nahshon the father of Salmon,

5 Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,

Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,

Obed the father of Jesse,

6 and Jesse the father of King David.

David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,

7 Solomon the father of Rehoboam,

Rehoboam the father of Abijah,

Abijah the father of Asa,

8 Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,

Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,

Jehoram the father of Uzziah,

9 Uzziah the father of Jotham,

Jotham the father of Ahaz,

Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,

10 Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,

Manasseh the father of Amon,

Amon the father of Josiah,

11 and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[c] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.

12 After the exile to Babylon:

Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,

Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,

13 Zerubbabel the father of Abihud,

Abihud the father of Eliakim,

Eliakim the father of Azor,

14 Azor the father of Zadok,

Zadok the father of Akim,

Akim the father of Elihud,

15 Elihud the father of Eleazar,

Eleazar the father of Matthan,

Matthan the father of Jacob,

16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.

17 Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah.

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Matthew 22:41-46

Whose Son Is the Messiah?

41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 “What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?”

“The son of David,” they replied.

43 He said to them,“How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says,

44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’[e]

45 If then David calls him ‘Lord,’ how can he be his son?” 46 No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions.
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#287950 May 20, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
I think you are talking more from emotional outburst than reason and logic.
The Gospel of John is not the one to base your faith on. The writer puts his own word and thoughts in the mouth of Jesus.
Jesus as depicted in the Gospel of John is totally different from what we find in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke.
Why only Jesus, souls of all Prophets and even every human being were existing before Abraham came into the world.
You are trying to read too much into the OT books and mixing Paul's logic into it.
Jesus was a human prophet, created by a special miracle of God. He did not become God and never was God.
God does not change forms and come as Jesus, this is Hindu Philosophy of God taking human form.
MUQ, I am trying too be logical by understanding the scriptures.

The gospel of John is not different than the 3 others.

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Mark 3:1-5

Jesus Heals on the Sabbath

Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. 2 Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. 3 Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand,“Stand up in front of everyone.”

4 Then Jesus asked them,“Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

5 He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man,“Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. 6 Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.

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Mark 4: 35-41

Jesus Calms the Storm

35 That day when evening came, he said to his disciples,“Let us go over to the other side.” 36 Leaving the crowd behind, they took him along, just as he was, in the boat. There were also other boats with him. 37 A furious squall came up, and the waves broke over the boat, so that it was nearly swamped. 38 Jesus was in the stern, sleeping on a cushion. The disciples woke him and said to him,“Teacher, don’t you care if we drown?”

39 He got up, rebuked the wind and said to the waves,“Quiet! Be still!” Then the wind died down and it was completely calm.

40 He said to his disciples,“Why are you so afraid? Do you still have no faith?”

41 They were terrified and asked each other,“Who is this? Even the wind and the waves obey him!”
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#287951 May 20, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
I think you are talking more from emotional outburst than reason and logic.
The Gospel of John is not the one to base your faith on. The writer puts his own word and thoughts in the mouth of Jesus.
Jesus as depicted in the Gospel of John is totally different from what we find in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke.
Why only Jesus, souls of all Prophets and even every human being were existing before Abraham came into the world.
You are trying to read too much into the OT books and mixing Paul's logic into it.
Jesus was a human prophet, created by a special miracle of God. He did not become God and never was God.
God does not change forms and come as Jesus, this is Hindu Philosophy of God taking human form.
Luke 6:6-5

Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath

6 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and his disciples began to pick some heads of grain, rub them in their hands and eat the kernels. 2 Some of the Pharisees asked,“Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”

3 Jesus answered them,“Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and taking the consecrated bread, he ate what is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.” 5 Then Jesus said to them,“The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

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Luke 9:18-20

Peter Declares That Jesus Is the Messiah

18 Once when Jesus was praying in private and his disciples were with him, he asked them,“Who do the crowds say I am?”

19 They replied,“Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, that one of the prophets of long ago has come back to life.”

20 “But what about you?” he asked.“Who do you say I am?”

Peter answered,“God’s Messiah.”

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Luke 12:8-12

8 “I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God. 9 But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God. 10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

11 “When you are brought before synagogues, rulers and authorities, do not worry about how you will defend yourselves or what you will say, 12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.”

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Luke 24:36-49

Jesus Appears to the Disciples

36 While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them,“Peace be with you.”

37 They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38 He said to them,“Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

40 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them,“Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence.

44 He said to them,“This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46 He told them,“This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”
henry

Aue, Germany

#287952 May 20, 2013
Linktv org wrote:
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How can you be right henry when there are Billions and Billions of people on planet earth who believe in GOD.
Science is the real truth and not an irreal god. Yes Billions are uneducated. That is the crime of capitalism!
ABs

Aiken, SC

#287953 May 20, 2013
Dear Francis...what should we ban now besides your ignorance? With so many gun laws all ready on the books one would never expect gun violence in Califoria...perhaps we ban gun laws? Or open minded people such as yourself...lol...open minded my asssse...

Authorities were searching for at least two gunmen who walked up to the door of a Northern California home and opened fire, killing a 10-year-old girl and injuring her parents.

"Whoever these gunmen were, they were directly outside the front door," Sacramento County sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Jason Ramos said Sunday. "This was not a drive-by. These gunmen approached the house and shot inside."

Sacramento County sheriff's officials suspected that a family member had gang ties.

"You have to be hard pressed to think a 10-year-old girl was the intended target," Ramos said.

At least a dozen shots were fired from two guns at the house on Saturday night, killing Elvira Campos and injuring her parents, Ramos said. The names of the parents — both of whom were in their 40s and were expected to survive — were not released.

The girl's 14-year-old brother was playing video games in a back room and was not hurt.

Detectives were canvassing the neighborhood for possible witnesses and forensic units were gathering evidence at the home Sunday, where a cluster of bullet holes marked a front window and more holes were found in the front door and a window frame.

The family had lived in the home in an area about 11 miles northeast of downtown Sacramento for less than a year, Ramos said. There were no records of sheriff's officials being sent there previously, he said.

"I can't even imagine what would bring people to do that," neighbor James Corbett told The Associated Press. Corbett, who lives about three houses down from where the girl was shot, described the neighborhood as quiet, with a "bunch of young families."

On Sunday morning, about a half dozen grieving relatives arrived at the home, The Sacramento Bee reported.

"We have no idea what happened — she was a very happy little girl," Tony Reys, the uncle of the girl, told the newspaper.

Sheriff's officials were also investigating a separate shooting Sunday morning that took place not far from the home. The victim of that shooting — a 32-year-old man who survived — was "definitely a gang member" and detectives were looking at the possibility the shootings were related, Ramos said.
ABs

Aiken, SC

#287954 May 20, 2013
Democracynow org wrote:
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History proves the Garden of Eden was in Iraq.
History also proves that these places no longer exist now that everyone walks around with a cell phone capable of video recording...ironic isn't it tinyearl?

P.S....please let frankie know that buffet owns the TRAINS that are currently being utilized to bring the heavy crude from canada to the refineries in the deep south...hence that is why he bought hisself a guvmint slave to oppose the pipeline...
ABs

Aiken, SC

#287955 May 20, 2013
henry wrote:
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Science is the real truth and not an irreal god. Yes Billions are uneducated. That is the crime of capitalism!
Are there any crimes that capitalism isn't responsible for?...lol
spocko

Oakland, CA

#287956 May 20, 2013
Democracynow org wrote:
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MUQ my friend,
You cannot have it both ways.
Either JESUS was a liar and a fraud, OR, HE was GOD came down from Heaven and born of a virgin.
The diameter of the observable universe is about 93 billion light-years, putting the edge of the observable universe at about 46–47 billion light-years away. Would you care to point out where exactly your Gawd came from in heavens!!?
spocko

Oakland, CA

#287957 May 20, 2013
ABs wrote:
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History also proves that these places no longer exist now that everyone walks around with a cell phone capable of video recording...ironic isn't it tinyearl?
P.S....please let frankie know that buffet owns the TRAINS that are currently being utilized to bring the heavy crude from canada to the refineries in the deep south...hence that is why he bought hisself a guvmint slave to oppose the pipeline...
Oh yeah, crude-by-rail, another BS, dumber than a sack of hammers, rightwingnuz fairy tale attempting to vilify the arch-enemy Warren Buffet, who keeps poking holes into their brainless support of “less taxes for the rich” scheme. the simple fact is, there is a plentiful supplies of lighter crude oil from the Bakken shale formation in ND, a 1000 miles closer to the Gulf than the hub of the Alberta environmental disastrous mess.
ABs

Aiken, SC

#287958 May 20, 2013
Today's OBUMBLE update...
Media Finally Gets It: Obama Is a Joke on Civil Liberties

Look around today, and it's easy to find a news story or column criticizing President Obama and his Justice Department for going after reporters' phone records.(Like these in the Washington Post, Politico, and the New York Times.) To which Glenn Greenwald at the Guardian can only say, it's about time. The Obama administration, he writes, has been trampling civil liberties from the get-go and getting a free pass from the media. But now that the media is the target, there's suddenly hell to pay.

"For years, the Obama administration has been engaged in pervasive spying on American Muslim communities and dissident groups," writes Greenwald. Don't forget its renewal of the Patriot Act, its embrace of warrantless eavesdropping, and its overzealous prosecution of whistleblowers. The media largely stayed silent. "Leave to the side how morally grotesque it is to oppose rights assaults only when they affect you," he writes. "The pragmatic point is that it is vital to oppose such assaults in the first instance no matter who is targeted because such assaults, when unopposed, become institutionalized." If a GOP president had Obama's record on civil liberties and transparency, progressives would be outraged, writes Greenwald. And he thinks a crucial aspect of Obama's legacy is how much he has "transformed and degraded so many progressive precincts."

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