'The War Is Not Over'

'The War Is Not Over'

There are 276655 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Sep 12, 2006, titled 'The War Is Not Over'. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

WASHINGTON - President Bush led the nation on Monday in marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept.

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fihhid

Rochester, PA

#286831 Mar 4, 2013
youtube.com/watch...
whats the beef? WW3 is yet to see
Democracynow org

New Brunswick, NJ

#286832 Mar 4, 2013
ABs wrote:
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Great news francis...Jeb Bush may run for the whitehouse...
Of course Jeb will run and be nominated.

Corporate Jeb Bush vs Corporate Hillary Clinton.

Even Momma Barbara Bush is a descendant of President
Franklin Pierce

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The Constitution 101:

In the Federalist Papers it said: We were not going to have a monarchy, and we were not going to have a democracy.$$$$$$$

And to this day we have neither. For two hundred years we have had an oligarchical system in which men of property can do well (Dumbya Bush), and others are on their own.$$$$$$$

American politics is essentially a family affair, as are most oligarchies. When the father of the Constitution, James Madison, was asked how on earth any business could get done in Congress when the country contained 100 million people whose representatives would number half a thousand, Madison took the line that oligarchy's iron law always obtains: A few people invariably run the show; and keep it, if they can, in the family.$$$$$$$

Our founding fathers had such a fear and loathing of democracy that they invented the Electoral College so that the popular voice of the people could be throttled, much as the Supreme Court throttled the Floridians on December 12, 2000.$$$$$$$

We were to be neither a democracy, subject to majoritarian tyranny, nor a dictatorship, subject to Caesarean folly.$$$$$$$

As American media is controlled by that corporate America which provides us with political candidates a well-informed electorate is not possible.$$$$$$$

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"Golden Age for Corporate Profits" As Workers Get Whacked
Naomi Klein: "For workers, the 'recovery' looks more like a stick-up."
http://tinyurl.com/ckz2ev6 / March 4, 2013
As across-the-board federal budget cuts go into effect and the "real pain" predicted by economists and policy experts begins to creep into the lives of everyday people—namely US workers—investors on Wall Street are saying: "bring it on."
Quoted in a New York Times article on Monday that describes the current economy as a "golden age for corporate profit," Savita Subramanian, who heads the equity and quantitative strategy for Bank of America Merrill Lynch, said that despite the terrible times for working people and warnings that nearly three-quarters of a million jobs could be lost this year in the US, "the market wants more austerity."
Reading the article prompted journalist and book author Naomi Klein to tweet:
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/03/...
Democracynow org

New Brunswick, NJ

#286833 Mar 4, 2013
Jeb vs Hillary 2016
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286838 Mar 5, 2013
Frankie's predicament...
Oldies' Predicament..!!!!

Frankie, An 86-year-old man, went to his doctor for his quarterly check-up...

TinyEarl the doctor asked him how he was feeling, and the frankster said ,"Things are great and I've never felt better.I now have a 20 year-old bride who is pregnant with my child. So what do you think about that Doc?"

The doctor considered his question for a minute and then began to tell a story...

"I have an older friend, much like you, who is an avid hunter and never misses a season."

One day he was setting off to go hunting.

In a bit of a hurry , he accidentally picked up his walking cane instead of his gun."

"As he neared a lake , he came across a very large male beaver sitting at the water's edge...he realized he'd left his gun at home and so he couldn't shoot the magnificent creature. Out of habit he raised his cane, aimed it at the animal as if it were his favorite hunting rifle and shouted BANG-BANG."

"Miraculously, two shots rang out and the beaver fell over dead. Now, what do you think of that, francis?" asked the doctor.

The 86-year-old said, "Logic equals fact that would strongly suggest somebody else pumped a couple of rounds into that beaver."

Tinyearl replied, "My point exactly."
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#286839 Mar 5, 2013
ABs wrote:
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Great news francis...Jeb Bush may run for the whitehouse...
LOL ... according to his own "Party of Stupid" they refuse to support him :-/
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#286840 Mar 5, 2013
The "Party of Stupid" is at it again and again and ....
http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/08/98_of_...
USA Huh

United States

#286841 Mar 5, 2013
We are starting new adventures in Africa.
USA Huh

United States

#286842 Mar 5, 2013
Democracynow org wrote:
Jeb vs Hillary 2016
Either way, there will be a bush in the WH.
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286843 Mar 5, 2013
USA Huh wrote:
<quoted text>
Either way, there will be a bush in the WH.
Now thats funny right there..
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#286844 Mar 5, 2013
Democracynow org wrote:
Jeb vs Hillary 2016
Just as it was Mr. X vs. Hillary in 2008 (Until Obama came along and snatched the rug under the feet of Ma. Hillary)!!

The same would be in 2016....it would be Hillary, Hillary all the way till "some black, Hispanic or gay" comes along and pulls the rug under her feet once more.

I feel pity at US voters, what choice they have to make....Hillary as President? Yecch, the idea itself is revolting.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#286845 Mar 5, 2013
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Murder On A Global Scale
US to Expand Assassination Program to North Africa

By Joseph Kishore

(Contd.)

Criticisms of presidential assassinations of US citizens have been limited to tactical and procedural issues. Some members of Congress and commentators, taking their cue from the New York Times editorial page, are pushing for the setting up of a secret court to provide a pretense of judicial oversight and a pseudo-legal stamp of approval for state murder.

An article in the New York Times on Saturday (“Debating a Court to Vet Drone Strikes”) reports that “in response to broad dissatisfaction with the hidden bureaucracy directing lethal drone strikes, there is an interest in applying the model of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court—created by Congress so that surveillance had to be justified to a federal judge—to the targeted killing of suspected terrorists, or at least of American suspects.”

Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein, chair of the intelligence committee, supported the proposal at the Brennan confirmation hearing. Brennan himself suggested that it was “worthy of discussion,” and former Defense Secretary Robert Gates has indicated that he supports the proposal as well.

Referring to several “legal scholars and terrorism experts,” the Times writes,“With the war in Afghanistan winding down, Al Qaeda fragmenting into hard-to-read offshoots and the 2001 terrorist attacks receding into the past, they said, it is time to consider how to forge a new, trustworthy and transparent system to govern lethal counterterrorism operations.”

The newspaper goes on to note that “with Al Qaeda’s core in Pakistan hugely diminished and Osama bin Laden dead” the targets of assassination are now “a mixed bag of midlevel militants and foot soldiers whose focus is often more on the Pakistani or Yemeni authorities than on the United States.” This is an inadvertent admission that the main target of drone assassinations is not Al Qaeda operatives, but rather anyone who seeks to fight US occupation of their country or repressive regimes that do the bidding of Washington.

The Times article also implicitly exposes the claim that a secret drone assassination court would lead to greater “transparency” and square the assassination program with constitutional norms. It notes that the model for such a new court, the existing FISA court, operates in complete secrecy and approves every surveillance request from the government. The newspaper writes:“In 2011, according to the most recent statistics, the court approved 1,745 orders for electronic surveillance or physical searches, rejecting none outright but altering 30.”

If it were established, any such court for assassination would not represent a “check” on the program, but rather a means of more securely embedding state-sanctioned killing in the institutions of the government.
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Therealnews com

Edison, NJ

#286846 Mar 6, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Just as it was Mr. X vs. Hillary in 2008 (Until Obama came along and snatched the rug under the feet of Ma. Hillary)!!
The same would be in 2016....it would be Hillary, Hillary all the way till "some black, Hispanic or gay" comes along and pulls the rug under her feet once more.
I feel pity at US voters, what choice they have to make....Hillary as President? Yecch, the idea itself is revolting.
USA voters never ever really had a choice with these TWO corrupt parties, Republicans and Democrats.

Both parties are only allowed to nominated a corporate hack loyal to Wall Street.

Jeb Bush vs Hillary Clinton are golden to the "Powers That Be".

Even Billionaire Rupert Murdoch the proprietor of Fox News loves Hillary because of the Telecommunication Bill of 1996, which her Husband signed into law.

Hey MUQ, just a thought, wouldn't it be fantastic if a Woman was the head of Saudi Arabia?

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No Debate: How the Republican and Democratic Parties Secretly Control the Presidential Debates / http://tinyurl.com/4q5vf8 / October 2, 2008
The Obama and McCain campaigns jointly negotiated a detailed, secret contract dictating the terms of all the 2008 debates. This includes who gets to participate as well as the topics raised during the debates. We speak to Open Debates founder and executive director George Farah.
Whats missing however is any concern about the fairness of the very structure of the debate. The Obama and McCain campaigns jointly negotiated a detailed contract dictating the terms of all the 2008 debates. This includes who gets to participate as well as the topics raised during the debates. But the contract remains secret and the Commission on Presidential Debates, a private corporation created by the two major parties, has refused to release the contract to the public.
Open Debates is a non-profit committed to democratizing the presidential debate process. Last month Open Debates and nine other pro-democracy groups called on the Commission to make the contract public.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/2/no_deba...

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Vote for Change? Atrocity-Linked U.S. Officials Advising Democratic, GOP Presidential Frontrunners / January 3, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/2blb3d
Independent journalist Allan Nairn and American Conservative correspondent Kelley Beaucar Vlahos discuss a little-addressed facet of the 2008 campaign: many of the top advisers to leading presidential candidates are ex-U.S. officials involved in atrocities around the world
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/3/vote_for...
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Edison, NJ

#286847 Mar 6, 2013
Just for the record, under Richard Clarke's leadership as Czar of Counterterrorism:
CLINTON developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator of anti-terrorist efforts.
Bill Clinton stopped cold the Al Qaeda millennium hijacking and bombing plots. Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to kill the Pope. Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously. Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters. Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters. Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington. Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Boston airport. Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY. Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge. Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania. Bill Clinton tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.). Bill Clinton brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice. Bill Clinton did not blame the Bush I administration for first WTC bombing even though it occurred 38 days after Bush left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively - and successfully - to stop future terrorist attacks. Bill Clinton named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism. Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to tighten airport security.(Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines. Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for better tracking of terrorist funding. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests. Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for better tracking of explosives used by terrorists. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA. Bill Clinton increased the military budget by an average of 14 per cent, reversing the trend under Bush I. Bill Clinton tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism. Bill Clinton detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries. Bill Clinton created national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.
Of Clinton's efforts says Robert Oakley, Reagan Ambassador for Counterterrorism: "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama".
Paul Bremer, current Civilian Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley as he believed the Bill Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden.
Barton Gellman in the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Bill Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort".
Clarence Swinney,
Political Historian
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Edison, NJ

#286848 Mar 6, 2013
USA Huh wrote:
<quoted text>
Either way, there will be a bush in the WH.
Good one!

lol
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286849 Mar 6, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Just as it was Mr. X vs. Hillary in 2008 (Until Obama came along and snatched the rug under the feet of Ma. Hillary)!!
The same would be in 2016....it would be Hillary, Hillary all the way till "some black, Hispanic or gay" comes along and pulls the rug under her feet once more.
I feel pity at US voters, what choice they have to make....Hillary as President? Yecch, the idea itself is revolting.
Agreed, my dear friend MUQ...it makes much more sense to live in a country that has no say in the leadership, all praise to allah!

Did you see the latest stats on Syria? Hard to blame this one on satanic USA isn' it?
A million people have now fled Syria to avoid the war raging there—and half of them are children, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees reported today. "Syria is spiraling towards full-scale disaster," commissioner António Guterres said. "We are doing everything we can to help, but the international humanitarian response capacity is dangerously stretched." The defections have accelerated dramatically this year, with more than 400,000 fleeing since January. The UN hadn't expected to pass the 1 million mark for three more months, the BBC reports.

The influx has put a real strain on neighboring countries; Lebanon, for instance, has seen its population swell as much as 10%, while Turkey has spent $600 million on refugee camps. Jordan and Iraq have also been sharing the load. Jordan's king yesterday urged other countries to help carry "the tremendous burden," and Guterres echoed that call. "These countries should not only be recognized for their unstinting commitment to keeping their borders open for Syrian refugees," he said, "they should be massively supported."
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286850 Mar 6, 2013
MUQ wrote:
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News
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News you WILL SEE ON IRNA and KSA Enquirer...for enquiring muslim minds that see the need for female oppression...

An annual Gaza marathon race is now kaput because Hamas thinks it's immoral to have male and female runners on the same road. I repeat!!! BECAUSE HAMAS THINKS IT IMMORAL TO HAVE MALE AND FEMALE RUNNERS ON THE SAME FREAKING ROAD!!! WOW...SO I MUST HAVE MISSED THE PART IN THE QURAN THAT APPOINTED HAMAS KEEPERS OF MORALITY, but moving right along...

The UN called off April's race after failing to convince Hamas leaders to budge, reports the BBC. More than 800 runners had signed up to run in the international marathon, about half of them women, reports al-Jazeera. "We don't want women and men mixing in the same place," says a Hamas official. The same mindset makes it illegal for women to ride on the back of motorcycles and for men to work in hair salons.

I repeat again..."We don't want women and men mixing in the same place," says a Hamas official. WHO IN THE NAME OF ALLAH APPOINTED THIS OFFICIAL ACTING LORAL GOD, MUQ?

The same mindset makes it illegal for women to ride on the back of motorcycles and for men to work in hair salons...no hair salon for men? No wonder frankie won't submit...
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286851 Mar 6, 2013
Spocko wrote:
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LOL ... according to his own "Party of Stupid" they refuse to support him :-/
GREAT NEWS, Francis...the state of South Carolina (along with several others in progress down here in God's country) is about to approve the Right to carry law...if you can legally obtain a handgun you can carry it in public without a carry permit...just wanted to thank you lefty leanie libtardian limpd*cks for your calls for bans...we could have never goth this passed without you...

So do you see the murder rate going UP or DOWN in states that invoke this new law?
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286852 Mar 6, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Just as it was Mr. X vs. Hillary in 2008 (Until Obama came along and snatched the rug under the feet of Ma. Hillary)!!
The same would be in 2016....it would be Hillary, Hillary all the way till "some black, Hispanic or gay" comes along and pulls the rug under her feet once more.
I feel pity at US voters, what choice they have to make....Hillary as President? Yecch, the idea itself is revolting.
Are you still not talking to me anymore, comrade MUQ? I miss our exchanges of ideas and ideals and I miss our friendship...can we kiss and make up?
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#286853 Mar 6, 2013
ABs wrote:
<quoted text>
GREAT NEWS, Francis...the state of South Carolina (along with several others in progress down here in God's country) is about to approve the Right to carry law...if you can legally obtain a handgun you can carry it in public without a carry permit...just wanted to thank you lefty leanie libtardian limpd*cks for your calls for bans...we could have never goth this passed without you...
So do you see the murder rate going UP or DOWN in states that invoke this new law?
Congratulations, it goes well with your wad-of-tobacco and reversed baseball cap ... with any luck, you all shoot eachother :-)
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#286854 Mar 6, 2013
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

How America Kills

By Chris Hayes

February 10, 2013 "MSNBC" -- Over the last 17 months that we’ve been on air, we’ve talked quite a bit about the Obama administration’s secret program of targeted killing of suspected terrorists. A small number of those targeted and killed have been American citizens, while some unconfirmed number of those killed in Yemen and Pakistan and elsewhere have been innocent civilians: mothers, children, young and old men in the wrong place at the wrong time.

People in the administration have told reporters that they have implemented an extremely rigorous screening process inside the White House to decide who ends up on the list, that the president himself approaches his responsibility to administer the program with solemnity and care, and that the policy has been efficient and effective in decimating al-Qaeda and other affiliated terrorist groups. A senior U.S. official said as early as 2009,”The enemy is really, really struggling…These attacks have produced the broadest, deepest and most rapid reduction in al-Qaida senior leadership that we’ve seen in several years.”

But before any of the specifics of the program’s merits can be properly and fully debated, it has to be brought out from behind the veil of secrecy which now cloaks it. That process started this week when my colleague Michael Isikoff obtained a heretofore secret Department of Justice memo that outlines the administration’s legal arguments for why it believes it has the authority to use lethal force against ”a U.S. citizen who is a senior operational leader of al-Qa’ida or an associated force” if an “informed high-level official of the U.S. government has determined” it’s appropriate.

At Thursday’s confirmation hearings for his nomination to head up the CIA, White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan, widely reported to be the chief architect of the kill list policy, faced a series of questions about the memo and the program it helps justify.

No topic that we discuss regularly on the show invites quite the level of backlash on social media as the kill list and drones. Given the constant and often disingenuous criticism and obstruction the president has faced I can understand why liberals, Democrats and others might view with some cynicism some of the outrage and indignation suddenly expressed by conservatives this week, much of which has been more focused on liberals’ hypocrisy rather than the underlying policy.

I had to laugh to myself when Rupert Murdoch tweeted the following this week:”How do liberals explain complaints about Guatemala with silence on drone killing, civilians and all, without arrests, trials, etc?” He meant, I think Guantanamo, but autocorrect gets the best of all of us from time to time.

But when us lefties here on Up have discussed and criticized the secret kill list program, many viewers who’ve responded online or through email accused me of being naive about the true nature of war, or going out of my way to find things to criticize about the president or stoking controversy where there is none.

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