'The War Is Not Over'

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The hunt for Dorner also led to two errant shootings in the pre-dawn darkness Thursday.


LAPD officers guarding a target named in the manifesto shot and wounded two women in suburban Torrance who were in a pickup truck, authorities said. Beck said one woman was in stable condition with two gunshot wounds and the other was being released after treatment.
"Tragically we believe this was a case of mistaken identity by the officers," Beck said.

Minutes later, Torrance officers responding to a report of gunshots encountered a dark pickup matching the description of Dorner's, police said. A collision occurred and the officers fired on the pickup. The unidentified driver was not hit and it turned out not to be the suspect vehicle, they said.

Look forward to the day when only trained qualified law enforcement personnel are the only ones armed...
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Feb 8, 2013
 
The war's ekg, still not good.

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oh, no........, it's dead.

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Feb 8, 2013
 
Extra read all about Police in LA shoot innocent citizens who drive Nissan trucks.

The owners of Nissans who reside in the Los Angeles area will rest easier today with the knowledge Dorner's truck was found burnt to crisp, and innocent citizens will no longer be shot by LAPD'S finest.

I hope the next vehicle Dorner chooses is not the same make and model as yours or mine or the family who lives down the lane.

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Feb 8, 2013
 
Two women were delivering newspapers, the Los Angeles Times reported. One was shot in the hand and one was shot in the back:

The women,were taken to area hospitals, Torrance police Lt. Devin Chase said. They were not identified.

One was shot in the hand and the other in the back, according to Jesse Escochea, who captured video of the victims being treated.It was not immediately known what newspapers the women were delivering.

After the shooting, the blue pickup was riddled with bullet holes and what appeared to be newspapers lay in the street alongside.

A second shooting, involving Torrance police officers, occurred about 5:45 a.m. at Flagler Lane and Beryl Street in Torrance. No injuries were reported in that incident.
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Whose next the ice cream man?
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News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News

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Remembering Abu Jihad And Why, Really, The Israelis Killed Him
By Alan Hart
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The following year he ordered a “General Exercise” in and around Nablus.“General Exercise” was the code for a confrontation between the PLO’s supporters and the occupying Israeli army. It was Arafat’s way of testing the feelings and mood of Palestinians throughout the Occupied Territories. The response was exactly what Arafat and Abu Jihad had predicted it would be. The confrontation in Nablus took place, but there was no support for the idea that it should be sustained and extended. A popular uprising was still the stuff of dreams.

Arafat, Abu Jihad and Hani Hassan (Arafat’s chief adviser and trouble-shooter) then conducted a detailed investigation of why the “General Exercise” had failed to inspire even a token demonstration of widespread support for the PLO.“We came to a very dramatic conclusion”, Hani told me.“We discovered that the silent majority of our people in the Occupied Territories had given their hearts if not their minds to the Islamic fundamentalists.”

What explained this enormous shift of popular opinion, a change of heart which suggested, among other things, that Arafat’s moderate PLO was in danger of becoming an irrelevance in the Occupied Territories?
Short answer - despair.

There was first of all, and obviously, the despair born of 20 years of occupation and often-brutal Israeli repression. But in the wake of Israel’s invasion of Lebanon and its siege of Beirut there were, as Hani Hassan put it,“two new factors of despair.”

The first was the realisation that Arafat’s policy of politics and compromise with Israel was getting the Palestinians nowhere.

The second, a bitter lesson for a new generation of Palestinians, was that they were on their own when the crunch came. The proof was the way the Arab regimes had sat on their backsides and watched for weeks as Sharon tried to finish the PLO in Beirut.

Against that backdrop it was inevitable that more and more Palestinians in the Occupied Territories would begin to see Islamic fundamentalism as the only force capable of changing the status quo. But what surprised and shocked Arafat and his leadership colleagues was the number of Palestinians who had moved or who were moving in the direction of the fundamentalists. Hani said:“We discovered that not less than 60 percent of our young people in the Occupied Territories were thinking that Islamic fundamentalism had more to offer than the PLO.”

The violent Islamic fundamentalism (Palestinian style) that Arafat and his leadership colleagues saw coming as the inevitable product of continuing Israeli occupation and the new wave of Palestinian resistance would be institutionalised in 1988, when Hamas was founded in Gaza by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, a paralysed, wheelchair-bound religious teacher. In Arabic Hamas means zeal. It is also an acronym for the Islamic Resistance Movement.

For Arafat the consequences of Islamic fundamentalists making the running in the Occupied Territories were terrifying.(As they ought to have been to rational Israelis). First there was the obvious danger that the PLO would become an irrelevance for a majority of Palestinians. But that was not the worst-case scenario. If there was a popular uprising, and if the Islamic fundamentalists could claim most of the credit for it, Arafat - even if the PLO did retain some credibility - might not be able to deliver the compromise that he had struggled for six years to sell to his people.
So what at the beginning of 1984 were Arafat and his leadership colleagues to do?

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Feb 9, 2013
 
the war is not over, in it's death throes...

the bucket is by it's foot, ready soon, for that kicking.

we can only pray, that it will go peacefully into the topix night.

It wasn't the war's fault, the hand of doom put it's touch on this place a long time ago and the result was inevitable.
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Feb 9, 2013
 
Kids at the breakfast table:
Mommy, why do GOPers believe everything they hear on Fox News?
Because they are f-ing stupid honey ...
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Feb 9, 2013
 
ABs wrote:
Shoot first...let god tell us if we got the bad guy...
The hunt for Dorner also led to two errant shootings in the pre-dawn darkness Thursday.
LAPD officers guarding a target named in the manifesto shot and wounded two women in suburban Torrance who were in a pickup truck, authorities said. Beck said one woman was in stable condition with two gunshot wounds and the other was being released after treatment.
"Tragically we believe this was a case of mistaken identity by the officers," Beck said.
Minutes later, Torrance officers responding to a report of gunshots encountered a dark pickup matching the description of Dorner's, police said. A collision occurred and the officers fired on the pickup. The unidentified driver was not hit and it turned out not to be the suspect vehicle, they said.
Look forward to the day when only trained qualified law enforcement personnel are the only ones armed...
In your usual hysterics you forget that one case does not a trend make, in fact it’s the exception the confirms the rule – yemoron!:-/
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Kids at the breakfast table:
Mommy, why do GOPers believe everything they hear on Fox News?
Because they are f-ing stupid honey ...
gee I never thought of putting my pecker in a jar of honey. But I do believe Fox News is enlightening. Alerting about Absolute Power of the govt.
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Feb 9, 2013
 
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It started with a meeting between Avery and James Gandolfini, of the Sopranos. Avery wanted to be a movie maker, Gandolfini told him colorful language to make something to show and not just talk about it.
Originally Loose Change started as a fictional story about a group of friends that discover that their own government was behind the attacks of 9/11. Dylan himself has admitted this in an interview with "Movie Minutiae: Loose Change" :
Then Phil Jayhan got involved wanting to fund the project, but only if it was changed from fiction to a reality based project.
Phil Jayhan is a conspiracy fanatic attacking everything from the US government to the Vatican to the holocaust.
One of the so called researches on Loose Change goes by the Name Killtown, he remarked ""I've always had a problem with the claimed number of Jews that allegedly died there [Auschwitz]. I keep hearing "6 million" or "1.5 million" that alone is a HUGE discrepancy. Some say the number was as low as 280,000.
Suspecting what the Israeli/Palestine conflict is really about, the strong evidence Israel was involved with 9/11, and seeing how 9/11 was faked in general, it makes me wonder how much of the Holocaust was true or not."
Also Loose Change uses alot of information, articles and photos from 'The American Free Press'. A known neo-Nazi political magizine that takes a very strong anti-Israeli stance. Most of their articles are anti-Semitic views, bigotry, and sometimes utter insanity.
Believe it our not, I know someone who met this "killtown" guy, if it's the same guy JREF is talking about:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...
"You didn't point out any facts. And yes... your blaming the jews when there is no evidence they are involved (aliong with your support of Holocaust denier Craig "Killtown" Lazo) makes you an anti-semite."

My buddy used to go to these anti-war meetings at an anarchist book store. He thought the book store hosted it, instead it was another group using the space. He stopped going when meetings changed focus from antiwar stuff to strange conspiracy crap. Anyway this Craig guy used to show up with his girl.

Do an image search for Craig Lazo. Most people describe him as a wanna be death metal rocker who laughs like a geek. I got a copy of a flyer Lazo passed out at a march in 2007. It was a bunch of conspiracy crap with "killtown" references so I threw it away. Kinda wish I didn't now. I've never personally known a hardcore Nazi, even through someone else. Been nice to have a souvenir.:)
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Feb 9, 2013
 
Tinkle wrote:
<quoted text>gee I never thought of putting my pecker in a jar of honey. But I do believe Fox News is enlightening. Alerting about Absolute Power of the govt.
Do us all a favor, keep your pecker in your pants :-/
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Do us all a favor, keep your pecker in your pants :-/
when I'm probing I'm in my glory 'hole
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Remembering Abu Jihad And Why, Really, The Israelis Killed Him
By Alan Hart
(contd.)

They knew they could not force the pace in the Occupied Territories and that a popular uprising would have to be spontaneous, generated from within; but they set about planning and putting into place the support networks and mechanisms that would sustain the explosion of despair - prevent Israeli’s military and other security services putting it down with speed - when it happened.

Soon after it started on 9 December 1987 the day-to-day management, direction and co-ordination of the first intifada was, in fact, taken over, as planned, by Abu Jihad, then Arafat’s deputy and most likely successor as well as commander of the PLO’s scattered and mission-less military forces.

But Arafat’s personal contribution to sustaining the uprising was significant. He had what he described to me as his “secret weapon”. From a British company (Racal-Tacticom in Reading) he had purchased some state-of-the-art, space-age radio equipment - a transmitter and scores of mini-receivers - which enabled him to plug into the Arab communications satellite (AbSat) and talk directly to Palestinian demonstrators on street corners when they were confronting the Israeli army.

Hani Hassan spoke about the impact of Arafat’s spiritual presence on the front lines in the Occupied Territories with great excitement.“You can’t imagine”, he told me.“The confrontations were very tough. Even when they were not being killed or seriously wounded (for throwing stones at Israel’s mighty warriors) our people were taking a lot of punishment.

So naturally there were times when their morale was low. And that’s when Arafat lifted their spirits. Somebody would produce a receiver to link the demonstrators to him in Tunis. The one who spoke directly with him was overcome with emotion and enthusiasm. He would proudly tell the others,‘I’ve just talked to Abu Amar. He says we must continue.’”
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It was, however, Abu Jihad’s oversight management and control, from the bedroom of his modest, whitewashed villa in Sidi Bou Said, a suburb to the north-east of Tunis, that prevented the Israelis from putting down the first intifada as quickly as they had assumed they could by collective punishments, arrests, torture and killing. That was why, on 16 April 1988, Israeli Special Forces went all the way to Tunis to assassinate Abu Jihad in his bedroom.

Though it was enclosed by a wall eight feet high, the villa occupied an exposed corner position at a road junction inside what many local people described as the “Forbidden Zone” because of its security status. The Tunisian president’s palace and the American Ambassador’s residence were almost within shouting distance of Abu Jihad’s villa. When he was looking for a family home he had been directed to the location by Tunisian officials.

They told him there was no other place where his security could be guaranteed. When the Israelis came ashore they were dressed as Tunisian security forces. They knew it was going to be an easy kill because Israeli agents had done a thorough reconnaissance job. They had discovered that Abu Jihad refused to surround himself with bodyguards of his own, in order to live as normal a life as possible with his childhood sweetheart and their children.

From Israel’s point of view Abu Jihad’s murder had the desired effect. Arafat was the man who inspired the Palestinian struggle, but Abu Jihad was the man who made it happen. Arafat was the man most respected by most Palestinians as the symbol of regenerated Palestinian nationalism, but Abu Jihad was the man the fighters and their families (the resistors of Israeli occupation) most admired. On an emotional as well as an organisational level, his murder was a huge setback for the resistance movement in the Occupied Territories.

When the first intifada started Israelis had a choice of two options. One was to continue living by the sword. The other was to say to themselves something like:“If we are not to find ourselves in a nightmare situation of our own making, we had better negotiate our way out of occupation.” There were rational Israelis who did say such things. But gut-Zionism prevailed. It was congenitally incapable of responding to the Palestinian cry for even a minimum of justice with anything but the iron fist. Greater Israel was to be strengthened and consolidated, not dismantled, even at the price of there being no peace, ever.

It was then that some of those who had done most to make a reality of Zionism’s mad dream did a most foolish thing. In the hope of weakening support for Arafat’s PLO in the Occupied Territories, they encouraged the growth of Hamas. The extent to which Israel assisted the development of Islamic fundamentalism (Palestinian style) is still a well kept secret.

In retrospect it can be said that if Israel had been willing to accept Arafat’s PLO as a negotiating partner in the mid to late 1980s, Hamas in particular, and Islamic fundamentalism in general, could not and would not have emerged as an unmanageable threat to anybody in the context of the struggle for Palestine. In that context the real recruiting sergeant of Islamic fundamentalism (Palestinian style) for resistance was Zionism’s arrogance of power and insufferable self-righteousness

lan Hart has been engaged with events in the Middle East and their global consequences and terrifying implications – the possibility of a Clash of Civilisations, Judeo-Christian v Islamic, and, along the way, another great turning against the Jews – for nearly 40 years… Alan is author of "Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews" - http://www.alanhart.net
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In your usual hysterics you forget that one case does not a trend make, in fact it’s the exception the confirms the rule – yemoron!:-/
So the nutcase that did the newtown tragedy thingy...that was one case involving him...yes? Yet you are ready to ban more weapons and require annual registrations...and I am the one in hysterics...give me a break...
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MUQ wrote:
It was, however, Abu Jihad’s oversight management and control, from the bedroom of his modest, whitewashed villa in Sidi Bou Said, a suburb to the north-east of Tunis, that prevented the Israelis from putting down the first intifada as quickly as they had assumed they could by collective punishments, arrests, torture and killing. That was why, on 16 April 1988, Israeli Special Forces went all the way to Tunis to assassinate Abu Jihad in his bedroom.
Though it was enclosed by a wall eight feet high, the villa occupied an exposed corner position at a road junction inside what many local people described as the “Forbidden Zone” because of its security status. The Tunisian president’s palace and the American Ambassador’s residence were almost within shouting distance of Abu Jihad’s villa. When he was looking for a family home he had been directed to the location by Tunisian officials.
They told him there was no other place where his security could be guaranteed. When the Israelis came ashore they were dressed as Tunisian security forces. They knew it was going to be an easy kill because Israeli agents had done a thorough reconnaissance job. They had discovered that Abu Jihad refused to surround himself with bodyguards of his own, in order to live as normal a life as possible with his childhood sweetheart and their children.
From Israel’s point of view Abu Jihad’s murder had the desired effect. Arafat was the man who inspired the Palestinian struggle, but Abu Jihad was the man who made it happen. Arafat was the man most respected by most Palestinians as the symbol of regenerated Palestinian nationalism, but Abu Jihad was the man the fighters and their families (the resistors of Israeli occupation) most admired. On an emotional as well as an organisational level, his murder was a huge setback for the resistance movement in the Occupied Territories.
When the first intifada started Israelis had a choice of two options. One was to continue living by the sword. The other was to say to themselves something like:“If we are not to find ourselves in a nightmare situation of our own making, we had better negotiate our way out of occupation.” There were rational Israelis who did say such things. But gut-Zionism prevailed. It was congenitally incapable of responding to the Palestinian cry for even a minimum of justice with anything but the iron fist. Greater Israel was to be strengthened and consolidated, not dismantled, even at the price of there being no peace, ever.
It was then that some of those who had done most to make a reality of Zionism’s mad dream did a most foolish thing. In the hope of weakening support for Arafat’s PLO in the Occupied Territories, they encouraged the growth of Hamas. The extent to which Israel assisted the development of Islamic fundamentalism (Palestinian style) is still a well kept secret.
In retrospect it can be said that if Israel had been willing to accept Arafat’s PLO as a negotiating partner in the mid to late 1980s, Hamas in particular, and Islamic fundamentalism in general, could not and would not have emerged as an unmanageable threat to anybody in the context of the struggle for Palestine. In that context the real recruiting sergeant of Islamic fundamentalism (Palestinian style) for resistance was Zionism’s arrogance of power and insufferable self-righteousness
lan Hart has been engaged with events in the Middle East and their global consequences and terrifying implications – the possibility of a Clash of Civilisations, Judeo-Christian v Islamic, and, along the way, another great turning against the Jews – for nearly 40 years… Alan is author of "Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews" - http://www.alanhart.net
Any timeline on when Syria will retalliate against those pesky jews for blowing up their chemical weapons? I wish you guys would go ahead and get it over with...the zio-rhetoric is so cliche comrade MUQ...stop the hate
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Euphemisms Away!

A World in Which Truth is a Dying Species

By Gaither Stewart

November 02, 2012 "Information Clearing House" - Rome - Hidden away somewhere within the labyrinth of the Pentagon there must be a top secret euphemism department engaged in the invention of the Orwellian surrogate words that have crept surreptitiously into the American English vocabulary and from there translated into many other languages. In my mind I see a unit of studiously serious executives, coffee mugs in their hands and their neckties awry, devising senseless terms for terrible things and used unthinkingly by people today from New York to California, from Maine to Texas. The goal of my imaginary secret unit is to render ugly terms meaningless or to transform them into their opposite. To quote the perceptive Scottish writer, Candia McWilliam,“plain words are always under threat.” There are words that don’t say what they mean and there are words that say what they don’t mean.

Intensified or enhanced interrogation sounds oh so much more genteel than the hideous word TORTURE. Collateral damage goes down quite well instead of the savage bombing and strafing of a funeral procession or a wedding party. Military leaders themselves have come to love the suggestive word “footprints” to indicate the evidence of America’s powerful presence throughout the world:“We were here and we leave this little sign with you.” A little footprint, maybe a fleet of super bombers or Predator drones.

The point to keep in mind is that the names of things, issues, objects of life change, but the substance of the object itself remains—torture will always be torture, no matter what the gnomes propose and the media parrot.

Today, though generally unknown among the public, the relatively new term,“lily pad”, is making its way forward to describe not that beautiful manifestation of nature but the new version of America’s over 1000 military bases and garrisons spreading across some 150 countries of planet Earth. You can always count on those Pentagon gnomes. They regularly come up with something new. It remains unclear however if they first invent the terms and the military executes their implications or if the military experiments with a new lethal strategy and the gnomes then give it a purified label.

In the case of the “lily pad”, this linguistic version of the sheep in wolf’s clothing, was allegedly conceived to spread the U.S. footprint into every corner of our planet and to make military bases more effective and comprehensive while giving the impression that the government is both protecting “our way of life”, while also saving taxpayer money—money then used for more weapons and the hiring of more mercenaries and for payoffs to eager satraps of the Empire’s vassal states; some nations, peoples, and even minor empires can be more easily bought than subdued militarily.

WHAT IS A MILITARY LILY PAD?

Nature’s lily pad is a floating leaf of the white water lily family. The scientific name of lily pad is nymphaea odorata. You might see a bullfrog sitting on a lily pad in a pond. The lily pad does not sink under its weight. The giant water lily, victoria amazonica, has the world’s biggest lily pad, up to four feet, which can support the weight of several people at once. The lily pad lies tranquilly on the surface of the pond, offering both refuge and camouflage for the frog, protecting it from predators. The lily pad fits in with its natural surroundings, as does the frog.


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Any timeline on when Syria will retalliate against those pesky jews for blowing up their chemical weapons? I wish you guys would go ahead and get it over with...the zio-rhetoric is so cliche comrade MUQ...stop the hate
You should stop worrying about Syria, yemen or any Muslim country.

You should worry about your own country and its illegitimate child.

That should keep you engaged 25 hours each day.
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You should stop worrying about Syria, yemen or any Muslim country.
You should worry about your own country and its illegitimate child.
That should keep you engaged 25 hours each day.
No such thing as a muslim country...sorry MUQ my moonsplitting comrade, no such thing...

And do not confuse disgust with worry...the sooner you guys get it on with the jews the better...tired of the needless hate...please go ahead and anihilate and eliminate each other so the rest of us can move forward...to much time and effort has been wasted on your silly ideologies that science has proven without a doubt to be based on impossiblities...for if they are not falsehoods then heaven will contain jews, christians, muslims, and every other religion that thinks they have the express pass to god...got it comrade MUQ?

“I be me, and you are...”

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Feb 11, 2013
 
Morning?

13 hours past so is the war done?

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