'The War Is Not Over'

'The War Is Not Over'

There are 276652 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Sep 12, 2006, titled 'The War Is Not Over'. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

WASHINGTON - President Bush led the nation on Monday in marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept.

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John_Pa

Ardsley, NY

#284453 Oct 22, 2012
Biden will "laugh at anything "

“French Cocoa Party”

Since: Jan 08

Keynesian Fields

#284454 Oct 22, 2012
Romney Flip Flopper Liar wrote:
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Japan gets most energy from Nuclear power and their cars get GREAT gas mileage.
Even as we speak Japan can rapidly make Nuclear Bombs in a matter of months if they choose to do so.
But Japan had more Treasuries than China until just recently.

Should US outsource to Japan now?

“French Cocoa Party”

Since: Jan 08

Keynesian Fields

#284455 Oct 22, 2012
ABs wrote:
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The natural map of th emuddle east, did it include the Jewish state of Israel during the 1st and 2nd temple periods, you know, before the muslim hoardes stole their land?
Hey comrade muq, why you not talk with me anymore? Are you mad at me for some unknown reason or does the mullah order you not to talk with non-believers? I have a question for you, do you think Allah approves of these muslims actions?
Sonia Dridi has become the latest female foreign journalist to fall victim to mob violence in Cairo. She was attacked and groped by around 30 men while reporting live on protests in the city's Tahrir Square, the Guardian reports. Her colleague Ashraf Khalil, assisted by a few bystanders, managed to get her to safety in a restaurant that closed its metal doors to keep the mob at bay. The network says its employees are safe, but "extremely shocked" by the attack.
"The crowd surged in and then it went crazy. It was basically me keeping her in a bear hug, both arms around her and face-to-face," Khalil tells the AP. CBS' Lara Logan was beaten and sexually assaulted in the same square last year. "Sexual violence is a way of denying women journalists access to the story in Egypt," Logan told the New York Daily News after hearing of the latest attack. "It’s not accidental. It’s by design."
What is your obervation of the story above muq? Allah approved or not? Why muslim men hate women so much? Why muslim men do whatever it takes to keep women down? Why muslim women not equal to muslim men?
Somehow, I detect an accent, here.

“French Cocoa Party”

Since: Jan 08

Keynesian Fields

#284456 Oct 22, 2012
Gypsy wrote:
<quoted text>4th Of July, Asbury Park (Sandy) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =kB1d0eey5hoXX
Gypsy Rider - must be a Bog Seger fan.

“French Cocoa Party”

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Keynesian Fields

#284457 Oct 22, 2012
Gypsy wrote:
Far right politics commonly includes authoritarianism, anti-communism, nativism and racialism. Typically, the term far right is applied to fascists and neo-Nazis, and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and — in the case of Nazism — genocide of people deemed to be inferior. The far right claims that superior people should proportionally have greater rights than inferior people. The far right has historically favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses. Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and anti-integration stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable. Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality, culture and migration), a far-right position could be the view that certain ethnic, racial or religious groups should stay separate, and that the interests of one’s own group should be prioritised.
Statists, like you, are familiar faces in fascist ranks.

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Keynesian Fields

#284458 Oct 22, 2012
Gypsy wrote:
Supporters of the historic Russian far-right monarchist and antisemitic ultranationalist Black Hundreds movement marching in 1905.
Members of the American Ku Klux Klan (KKK) marching in a mass rally in Washington, D.C. in 1928. The KKK are a far right white supremacist and Christian fundamentalist organization.
Nazis alongside members of the far-right reactionary and monarchist German National People's Party (DNVP), in 1931 during the Nazi-DNVP alliance in the Harzburg Front.
Election poster of the historic Israeli far-right Zionist and Jewish fundamentalist Kach movement showing its leader Meir Kahane. The poster's text says: "This time [vote] Kahane: Because he is one of us! Give him the power to finally take care of them Arabs!"
Members of the Japanese far right Zaitokukai demonstrating in 2010 against the right of "foreigners" (Koreans in Japan) to vote.
The KKK was formed by Democrats. Re-read your history instead of attempting to revise it.

“French Cocoa Party”

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Keynesian Fields

#284459 Oct 22, 2012
Gypsy wrote:
OPEC and Crude Oilmygeologypage.ucdavis.edu/cowen/~GEL115/11...
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In the early 1950s, international oil companies (IOCs) developed the posted price ... among its OPEC peers as well as its independence from western domination.... terms to potential investors in oil and gas exploration and development.
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emancipated from state control (unlike the state-held oil companies of OPEC members), which was eager to help the United States and the West break free ...
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Oct 29, 2011 – Western oil firms supplied all of the above, and did rather well out of it. But then OPEC was born, and petrostates started their own ... Measured by the reserves it controls, it is only the 11th-largest oil and gas firm in the world.
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Your post is too torn up to read. Bite off more than you can chew?

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Keynesian Fields

#284462 Oct 22, 2012
About This Event (LOL)

Progressivism on Tap: A New Vision for American Democracy

With Authors Bill Ivey and Joe Romm


Join us for a fascinating discussion about how progressives can develop and articulate a long-term vision of democratic, economic, and ecological renewal with authors Bill Ivey and Joe Romm. Ivey's new book, Handmaking America, examines how right-wing ideology and postindustrial capitalism have undermined work, government, and our very way of life, while advancing a practical vision for a good society that can use the capacity of government to recover the essential American idea. Romm's book, Language Intelligence, examines how the best communicators, from Jesus to Abraham Lincoln, have employed a few simple rules to educate, persuade, and lead people toward a better vision of society and human life.

Light food available starting at 6 p.m. Program runs from 6:30 p.m. to 7:30 p.m.

Light "books will be available for sale".
http://www.americanprogress.org/events/2012/1...

“French Cocoa Party”

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Keynesian Fields

#284463 Oct 22, 2012
Yes, the capacity of government, indeed, to recover your happiness.

“French Cocoa Party”

Since: Jan 08

Keynesian Fields

#284464 Oct 22, 2012
uIDIOTRACESMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
Lawrence Wilkerson, former chiet of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell
[The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) plan] was regime change throughout the Middle East, starting with Baghdad, Damascus, Tehran, and rolling on through the Middle East, ultimately even probably rolling on to Riyadh, one of our erstwhile allies for the last half-century, Saudi Arabia.
[The PNAC philosophy] would use hard power, military power, principally, to initiate this and even continue it if they found it was necessary to do so. That keeps the military-industrial complex alive, it keeps Halliburton alive, it keeps Lockheed alive, it keeps the entire complex the United States had developed that I call the national security state alive and well, after the demise of the Soviet Union.
Too bad they didn't take out the Sunnis in Riyadh first.

Go figure. Hey, are you driving one of thse Smart for Twos?

36 MPG. Horrible mileage. Does it at least park itself?
frank

Oakland, CA

#284465 Oct 22, 2012
People who have been swayed against President Obama by the relentless right-wing propaganda machinery (there is nothing negative left on this earth that is not as a result of Obama’s failure) need to think about a few things: Like an obstructionist Congress who would not pass anything Obama proposed (the Nation be damned), not because they disagreed, but because the proposals came from President Obama. Second: Just imagine how much worse it would be if Romney became President unraveling all that has been done by the Obama administration, keeping in mind that we never before had to deal with a global recession of this magnitude.

Think of GM’s bankruptcy bailout which saved more than a 1 million jobs at automakers, parts companies and other businesses tied to the industry – Romney was against it and even wrote an op-ed article in the NYT. GM has hired over ten thousand workers since the bailout and just hired 3000 high-tech workers laid-off by Hewlett-Packard. Look at foreclosures, Romney suggested, and again wrote an op-ed article, to foreclose and let the market hit bottom. Let investors buy the mortgages to let the market stabilize. That is typical Romney “the corporate raider” mentality, not a thought was given to the desperate working-man unable to meet the mortgage payments. Romney has never been a business man what he is, is a predatory investor, master financial speculator and manipulator who bought, sold, flipped and stripped businesses making huge profits for himself and his clients, without contributing a thing to the economy, quite the contrary, it was at the expense of the middle class and cost a lot of people’s jobs.

Think of foreign policy, of women's issues, of immigration issues. Obviously the President couldn't get everything done that he wanted to do to reform immigration, but what chance of reform do we have with Mitt Romney’s “self-deportation”? NONE! Unless Romney has a secret magic wand he keeps hidden away from the public. Any none-partisan economist agrees, the Obama administration launched the most aggressive fiscal and monetary policies in history! The response was multifaceted, bipartisan and effective. Yet almost every one of the policies remains controversial to this day, with critics calling them misguided and ineffective. The fact is, that study after study confirms that its effects on real GDP, jobs and inflation are huge and averted what would have turned into the Great Recession 2.0
American Masochists

UK

#284466 Oct 22, 2012
What else can you call Romney voters, except of course the top one percent of the rich? If economic self-interest is germane to American voters, then of course 99 percent would be voting against Romney and the Republicans. But perhaps it is more complex.

Many Americans, including posters on this forum, somehow believe that by moving wealth from the lower and middle-classes to the upper-class and the economic elite, somehow believe this will inure to their economic benefit, ultimately. It is "snake oil," obviously, but somehow they believe this canard.

There are other reasons non-rich Americans vote Republican. Some hate minority groups, and see the Democrats as too tolerant of them. Others desire a strict social hierarchy, and see Democrat and liberal efforts to eliminate forms of social inequality incompatible with their desire.

However, I believe I have identified an unusual, but salient, reason many Americans not in the economic elite vote Republican: self-flagellation or masochism. These Americans know the Republicans will reduce their standard of living and make their economic futures more precarious, yet they vote for them anyway, feeling that somehow they "deserve" the hardship, grief and sorrow which a Republican administration will bring them, economically at least! Add to that, many women will vote Republican, knowing full well the Republican agenda is to subjugate them and demean them. What other explanation can be given for such behavior, other than masochism?

Sad, isn't it? Are Europeans less masochistic?
Jane

Thailand

#284467 Oct 22, 2012
Two face politic is essential for Muslim world
ABs

Crane Hill, AL

#284468 Oct 22, 2012
arbitrageur wrote:
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Somehow, I detect an accent, here.
LOL...tis difficult to write with an accent but your detection once again is spot on...
frank

Oakland, CA

#284469 Oct 22, 2012
This will surely drive the rightwingnuz into hyper fibrillation but a 150 monitors and observers from a UN affiliated organization (the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE)) will be in the US on Election Day to report on any perceived irregularities. According to The Hill, the delegation is coming at the request of US Civil Rights groups concerned about the massive national effort by the Republican Party to keep non-GOP voting groups from casting ballots.
ABs

Crane Hill, AL

#284471 Oct 22, 2012
frank wrote:
This will surely drive the rightwingnuz into hyper fibrillation but a 150 monitors and observers from a UN affiliated organization (the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE)) will be in the US on Election Day to report on any perceived irregularities. According to The Hill, the delegation is coming at the request of US Civil Rights groups concerned about the massive national effort by the Republican Party to keep non-GOP voting groups from casting ballots.
Link please...
ABs

Crane Hill, AL

#284472 Oct 22, 2012
American Masochists wrote:
What else can you call Romney voters, except of course the top one percent of the rich? If economic self-interest is germane to American voters, then of course 99 percent would be voting against Romney and the Republicans. But perhaps it is more complex.
Many Americans, including posters on this forum, somehow believe that by moving wealth from the lower and middle-classes to the upper-class and the economic elite, somehow believe this will inure to their economic benefit, ultimately. It is "snake oil," obviously, but somehow they believe this canard.
There are other reasons non-rich Americans vote Republican. Some hate minority groups, and see the Democrats as too tolerant of them. Others desire a strict social hierarchy, and see Democrat and liberal efforts to eliminate forms of social inequality incompatible with their desire.
However, I believe I have identified an unusual, but salient, reason many Americans not in the economic elite vote Republican: self-flagellation or masochism. These Americans know the Republicans will reduce their standard of living and make their economic futures more precarious, yet they vote for them anyway, feeling that somehow they "deserve" the hardship, grief and sorrow which a Republican administration will bring them, economically at least! Add to that, many women will vote Republican, knowing full well the Republican agenda is to subjugate them and demean them. What other explanation can be given for such behavior, other than masochism?
Sad, isn't it? Are Europeans less masochistic?
Guess the issue I have Barkedale is that the same Democrats and liberals selling the snake oil appearance of spearheading the efforts to eliminate these perceived social inequalities are millionaires and trillionaires as well...and tend to profit by investing in causes they spearhead...AlGorp for example is now worth 50 times more than 10 years ago simply by investing in alternative energies...wonder why he doesn't do more to spread his wealth...obumble is worth 10 times more...Oprah 200 times more...sure wish they would spread a few coins my way
American Masochists

UK

#284473 Oct 22, 2012
I don't like conservatism. History is rife with examples of conservative cruelty and horror. Mitt Romney and Republicans are conservative, "severely" or otherwise. There were some conservatives in Europe in the 1940s.

"During the first five weeks, the victims were Jewish residents of nearby areas in Wartheland District. The SS and police transported them by truck from the places in which they lived to the grounds of the manor house in Che&#322;mno. Guarded by members of the Special Detachment, the victims disembarked one truck at a time in the courtyard of the manor house. SS officials, often wearing white coats to induce the impression that they were physicians, explained to the deportees that they would go to Germany as labourers, but first had to bathe and have their clothes disinfected. Occasionally they would be greeted by a German officer dressed as a local squire would be, with a feather cap. He would thank them for coming and say some would be staying to work there. The Jews then entered the manor house. Once inside they were led to a heated first floor room where they undressed and handed over their valuables against receipts to a Polish civilian, who was employed by the special detachment. SS and police personnel led the naked prisoners to the cellar, where they had to walk down a ramp sloping into the back of a large paneled truck that could hold 50-70 people. When the back of the van was full, the doors were closed and sealed. The mechanic on duty attached a tube to the van’s exhaust pipe and then started the engine, pumping carbon monoxide gas into the space where the prisoners were crowded, killing them by asphyxiation. After the victims were dead, the tube was detached from the exhaust pipe, and the van, now full of corpses, was driven to the forest camp, where the bodies were transferred into previously excavated mass graves. Any victims found to be still alive as the corpses were being unloaded were shot by SS and police officials on duty at the forest camp."
Chelmno extermination camp, wikipedia
ABs

Crane Hill, AL

#284474 Oct 22, 2012
frank wrote:
People who have been swayed against President Obama by the relentless right-wing propaganda machinery (there is nothing negative left on this earth that is not as a result of Obama’s failure) need to think about a few things: Like an obstructionist Congress who would not pass anything Obama proposed (the Nation be damned), not because they disagreed, but because the proposals came from President Obama. Second: Just imagine how much worse it would be if Romney became President unraveling all that has been done by the Obama administration, keeping in mind that we never before had to deal with a global recession of this magnitude.
Think of GM’s bankruptcy bailout which saved more than a 1 million jobs at automakers, parts companies and other businesses tied to the industry – Romney was against it and even wrote an op-ed article in the NYT. GM has hired over ten thousand workers since the bailout and just hired 3000 high-tech workers laid-off by Hewlett-Packard. Look at foreclosures, Romney suggested, and again wrote an op-ed article, to foreclose and let the market hit bottom. Let investors buy the mortgages to let the market stabilize. That is typical Romney “the corporate raider” mentality, not a thought was given to the desperate working-man unable to meet the mortgage payments. Romney has never been a business man what he is, is a predatory investor, master financial speculator and manipulator who bought, sold, flipped and stripped businesses making huge profits for himself and his clients, without contributing a thing to the economy, quite the contrary, it was at the expense of the middle class and cost a lot of people’s jobs.
Think of foreign policy, of women's issues, of immigration issues. Obviously the President couldn't get everything done that he wanted to do to reform immigration, but what chance of reform do we have with Mitt Romney’s “self-deportation”? NONE! Unless Romney has a secret magic wand he keeps hidden away from the public. Any none-partisan economist agrees, the Obama administration launched the most aggressive fiscal and monetary policies in history! The response was multifaceted, bipartisan and effective. Yet almost every one of the policies remains controversial to this day, with critics calling them misguided and ineffective. The fact is, that study after study confirms that its effects on real GDP, jobs and inflation are huge and averted what would have turned into the Great Recession 2.0
Is gitmo closed now? Sure am looking forward to warm relations with cuba....how about you?
American Masochists

UK

#284475 Oct 22, 2012
ABs wrote:
<quoted text>
Guess the issue I have Barkedale is that the same Democrats and liberals selling the snake oil appearance of spearheading the efforts to eliminate these perceived social inequalities are millionaires and trillionaires as well...and tend to profit by investing in causes they spearhead...AlGorp for example is now worth 50 times more than 10 years ago simply by investing in alternative energies...wonder why he doesn't do more to spread his wealth...obumble is worth 10 times more...Oprah 200 times more...sure wish they would spread a few coins my way
ABs, your response is always something along the lines of, "The Democrats are as bad as the Republicans." Yet, we all know the Republican Party expressly represents the rich elite, while the Democrat party expressly represents everyone else, even though some Democrats are rich, say, like Bill Gates or Buffet.

ABs, you remind me of the Truman saying, "If you want to live like a Republican, vote Democrat!"

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