Montana Supreme Court Rules in Church...

Montana Supreme Court Rules in Church Dispute

There are 36 comments on the ABC News story from Mar 13, 2014, titled Montana Supreme Court Rules in Church Dispute. In it, ABC News reports that:

The Montana Supreme Court has ruled the property of a Lutheran church in Great Falls belongs to a few dozen members of the congregation who opposed the church's 2010 split with its national denomination over the ordination of gay ministers.

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Sen Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Mar 13, 2014
These seem like simple property rights cases - the supposition is that the national denomination, whatever the sect, owns the local church property.
Sir Andrew

Honolulu, HI

#2 Mar 13, 2014
The property case seems clear. But I think the court should have divided the monetary assets according to the percentages of those who stayed and those who decided to throw their bigotry in everyone's faces.
Sen Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#3 Mar 13, 2014
Why would the cash assets be owned by a different party than the property? Why should people leaving the church because they're homophobes get anything?
first name Jerry

Saint Louis, MO

#4 Mar 14, 2014
Just because you think that practicing homosexuals should not be be pastors does not make you a homophone.There is a smear campaign against all who believe the bible would forbid the ordination of homosexuals. The truth is those who have strong believes are ridiculed when they practice their believes. They do not hate homosexuals or any one else. They are practicing the freedom of religion and for that they are vilified by the political correct police.

Since: Mar 11

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#6 Mar 14, 2014
fr first name Jerry:

>Just because you think that practicing homosexuals should not be be pastors does not make you a homophone.There is a smear campaign against all who believe the bible would forbid the ordination of homosexuals. The truth is those who have strong believes are ridiculed when they practice their believes. They do not hate homosexuals or any one else. They are practicing the freedom of religion and for that they are vilified by the political correct police. <

1. There is no "smear campaign" going on against bigots. THEY are the ones smearing GLBTs and our supporters.

2. Nobody is "being ridiculed when they practice their believes (sic)".

3. Bigots and homophobes do indeed hate glbt's and our supporters. My wife and I have had rocks thrown at us, been spat upon, and had our car defaced by anti-gay "Christians". One anti-gay Eastern European "Christian" man murdered a gay man here in my area in 2007, and then skipped the country, like the COWARD he is, leaving his wife and three small children to fend for themselves. He's hiding, like a COWARD, somewhere in either Russia or the Ukraine. That is not practicing "freedom of religion".
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#7 Mar 15, 2014
first name Jerry wrote:
Just because you think that practicing homosexuals....
STOP right there!
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With just 7 words; you announced to the world that you are a homophobe

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#8 Mar 15, 2014
Hm, surprised our Lutheran pedo friend hasn't weighed in on this one yet.
first name Jerry

Saint Louis, MO

#9 Mar 15, 2014
ah, the political correct police have weighed in. I feel so ashamed (NOT). You people are not only against freedom of religion but you want to admonish any one who doesn't agree with you.
first name Jerry

Saint Louis, MO

#10 Mar 15, 2014
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
STOP right there!
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With just 7 words; you announced to the world that you are a homophobe
Stop right there? you never want to listen to anyone no matter what they have to say. You are the biggot
first name Jerry

Saint Louis, MO

#11 Mar 15, 2014
Pattysboi wrote:
fr first name Jerry:
>Just because you think that practicing homosexuals should not be be pastors does not make you a homophone.There is a smear campaign against all who believe the bible would forbid the ordination of homosexuals. The truth is those who have strong believes are ridiculed when they practice their believes. They do not hate homosexuals or any one else. They are practicing the freedom of religion and for that they are vilified by the political correct police. <
1. There is no "smear campaign" going on against bigots. THEY are the ones smearing GLBTs and our supporters.
2. Nobody is "being ridiculed when they practice their believes (sic)".
3. Bigots and homophobes do indeed hate glbt's and our supporters. My wife and I have had rocks thrown at us, been spat upon, and had our car defaced by anti-gay "Christians". One anti-gay Eastern European "Christian" man murdered a gay man here in my area in 2007, and then skipped the country, like the COWARD he is, leaving his wife and three small children to fend for themselves. He's hiding, like a COWARD, somewhere in either Russia or the Ukraine. That is not practicing "freedom of religion".
No smear campaign? Listen to your hateful words, rest my case
first name Jerry

Saint Louis, MO

#12 Mar 15, 2014
I spent a great deal of time visiting a co-worker who was dieing of HIV. He was a good and decent man and I had compassion fo him in his last days. So I don't consider myself a homophobic.
I have many democratic friends that don't agree on all the party agenda. The same is true of republicans that don't completely agree on the parts agenda.
everybody wants to point to extremest in any cause to justify there positions. Has there been transgrations by some religious organizations? Of Course.
But when one does not agree on all the points of any agenda it doesn't mean he or she is a bigot. But we see that the that person should be vilified and we should call them names and not listen to what he is saying.
Just because one feels that a gay person should not be a pastor it doesn't qualify them as a bigot. There are many things that disqualify a person from being a pastor, infidelity, criminal .activity, steeling from the church, etc.
I hope you have heard what I am saying or you can call more names.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#13 Mar 15, 2014
first name Jerry wrote:
I spent a great deal of time visiting a co-worker who was dieing of HIV. He was a good and decent man and I had compassion fo him in his last days. So I don't consider myself a homophobic.
I have many democratic friends that don't agree on all the party agenda. The same is true of republicans that don't completely agree on the parts agenda.
everybody wants to point to extremest in any cause to justify there positions. Has there been transgrations by some religious organizations? Of Course.
But when one does not agree on all the points of any agenda it doesn't mean he or she is a bigot. But we see that the that person should be vilified and we should call them names and not listen to what he is saying.
Just because one feels that a gay person should not be a pastor it doesn't qualify them as a bigot. There are many things that disqualify a person from being a pastor, infidelity, criminal .activity, steeling from the church, etc.
I hope you have heard what I am saying or you can call more names.
GAYS have the 12th largest protestant Christian denomination with churches across America and in 42 nations
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Typically; we purchase failed or abandoned church buildings and restore them to their original glory like this example:
http://www.agoatlanta.org/Organs/AtlantaCity/...
which has a separate chapel for more intimate wedding ceremonies
http://www.agoatlanta.org/Organs/AtlantaCity/...
.
Overseas; we are in the final stages of restoration of this little gem which had been condemned from the ravages of time and its seaside location. It had to be propped up for safety before we could get inside to start work
http://www.pipeorganpage.ie/sites/default/fil...
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We really have no reason to seek out a heterosexual pastor for our weddings; as we have plenty of pastors of our own who are more familiar with GAY marriage covenants
first name Jerry

Saint Louis, MO

#14 Mar 15, 2014
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
GAYS have the 12th largest protestant Christian denomination with churches across America and in 42 nations
.
Typically; we purchase failed or abandoned church buildings and restore them to their original glory like this example:
http://www.agoatlanta.org/Organs/AtlantaCity/...
which has a separate chapel for more intimate wedding ceremonies
http://www.agoatlanta.org/Organs/AtlantaCity/...
.
Overseas; we are in the final stages of restoration of this little gem which had been condemned from the ravages of time and its seaside location. It had to be propped up for safety before we could get inside to start work
http://www.pipeorganpage.ie/sites/default/fil...
.
We really have no reason to seek out a heterosexual pastor for our weddings; as we have plenty of pastors of our own who are more familiar with GAY marriage covenants
Good
Sen Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#15 Mar 16, 2014
first name Jerry wrote:
I spent a great deal of time visiting a co-worker who was dieing of HIV. He was a good and decent man and I had compassion fo him in his last days. So I don't consider myself a homophobic.
You're a self deluding bigot badly in need of a GED.

We don't care if you freeeks consider yourselves "a" homophobic or not. People who oppose equal rights without any rational basis for doing so are bigots, period, and will be treated as such by educated society.
first name Jerry

Saint Louis, MO

#16 Mar 16, 2014
Sen Rick Saintpornum wrote:
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You're a self deluding bigot badly in need of a GED.
We don't care if you freeeks consider yourselves "a" homophobic or not. People who oppose equal rights without any rational basis for doing so are bigots, period, and will be treated as such by educated society.
I am so ashamed, I bow to your moral and intellectual superiority
Sen Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#17 Mar 16, 2014
first name Jerry wrote:
There are many things that disqualify a person from being a pastor, infidelity, criminal .activity, steeling from the church, etc.
We are all sinners - murderers, thieves (aka, "steelers,") fundies, adulterers, addicts.
Sen Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#18 Mar 16, 2014
first name Jerry wrote:
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I am so ashamed, I bow to your moral and intellectual superiority
Cletus, if you knew more you'd feel ashamed.

Go similarly bray about those who take the lawd's name in vain and then we'll know you don't merely have a homosexual obsession. Because that's a _Commandment_ about the lawd.

Your reply is non responsive, btw.

Since: Jul 11

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#19 Mar 16, 2014
first name Jerry wrote:
<quoted text>
I am so ashamed, I bow to your moral and intellectual superiority
Who taught you how to use a bow?
first name Jerry

Saint Louis, MO

#20 Mar 16, 2014
Who taught you how to use a bow?[
LOL
Sen Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#21 Mar 16, 2014
first name Jerry wrote:
Who taught you how to use a bow?[
LOL
A zzwipe christianist, the joke was on you.

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