Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 31994 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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sportxmouse

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#20059 Feb 11, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
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... blah, blah, blah...
If you know the Bible so well, then why don't you know the history of it?

This is not taught by the Mormon Church. It is strictly Biblical history.

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Christ set up his Church "The Church of Jesus Christ" during his ministry. Money, power, and evil changed it.

Then came the Dark Ages.

The Roman Catholics forbid anyone without "their authority" to own a copy of the Bible... for monetary purposes.

"The original languages of Hebrew and Greek, and the 1,000 years of the Dark & Middle Ages when the Word was trapped in only Latin". This was done to ensure people did not have the ability to possess the knowledge of the Word of God on their own for their own agenda. The only way to obtain the knowledge or power was to pay for it.

All of the different break offs of the different Christian Church's came as a result of the Dark Ages. That is why there are Different Christian sects NOT different Christian GODS.

The Church Jesus originally set up was corrupted because of the Roman Catholics and their agenda. Their agenda and their corruption was finally exposed by Martin Luther...

"Luther declared his intolerance for the Roman Church’s corruption on Halloween in 1517, by nailing his 95 Theses of Contention to the Wittenberg Church door. Luther, who would be exiled in the months following the Diet of Worms Council in 1521 that was designed to martyr him, would translate the New Testament into German for the first time from the 1516 Greek-Latin New Testament of Erasmus, and publish it in September of 1522... In the 1530’s he would go on to publish the entire Bible in German."

HOWEVER, when it started being distributed... they were "burned as soon as the Bishop could confiscate them, but copies trickled through and actually ended up in the bedroom of King Henry VIII. The more the King and Bishop resisted its distribution, the more fascinated the public at large became. The church declared it contained thousands of errors as they torched hundreds of New Testaments confiscated by the clergy, while in fact, they burned them because they could find no errors at all. One risked death by burning if caught in mere possession of Tyndale's forbidden books."

To read more about this PLEASE READ THE INFORMATION FROM THIS SITE. From the Knowledge I've obtained in studying religions in college, through years of research... this site is very thorough and correct.

http://greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-h...

http://greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-h...

http://greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-h...

The only way to have the TRUTH and I mean the FULL TRUTH is to go back to the ORIGINAL BIBLE...

it had the fullness.

Once it was broken up and taken away from and added to and modified it became NOT the ORIGINAL.

It is necessary for us to take ALL writings into account that ARE

O.R.I.G.I.N.A.L.

There is still more out there.

The Book of Mormon is just one of the O.R.I.G.I.N.A.L. writings discussed here. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is about the writings that originated from the Nephites in the Book of Mormon.

Making issue with JS in any way shape or form has always been the desire of corrupted men.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

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#20060 Feb 11, 2013
POPE RESIGNS

- 1st pope to do so in 700 years

- "Church officials tried to relay a climate of calm confidence in the running of a 2,000-year-old institution, but the decision could lead to uncertainty in a Church already besieged by scandal for covering up sexual abuse of children by priests."

Interesting article published:

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-resigns-saying-no-...
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20061 Feb 11, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
If you know the Bible so well, then why don't you know the history of it?
This is not taught by the Mormon Church. It is strictly Biblical history.
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..........Cut for space....

HOWEVER, when it started being distributed... they were "burned as soon as the Bishop could confiscate them, but copies trickled through and actually ended up in the bedroom of King Henry VIII. The more the King and Bishop resisted its distribution, the more fascinated the public at large became. The church declared it contained thousands of errors as they torched hundreds of New Testaments confiscated by the clergy, while in fact, they burned them because they could find no errors at all. One risked death by burning if caught in mere possession of Tyndale's forbidden books."
To read more about this PLEASE READ THE INFORMATION FROM THIS SITE. From the Knowledge I've obtained in studying religions in college, through years of research... this site is very thorough and correct.
http://greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-h...
http://greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-h...
http://greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-h...
The only way to have the TRUTH and I mean the FULL TRUTH is to go back to the ORIGINAL BIBLE...
it had the fullness.
Once it was broken up and taken away from and added to and modified it became NOT the ORIGINAL.
It is necessary for us to take ALL writings into account that ARE
O.R.I.G.I.N.A.L.
There is still more out there.
The Book of Mormon is just one of the O.R.I.G.I.N.A.L. writings discussed here. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is about the writings that originated from the Nephites in the Book of Mormon.
Making issue with JS in any way shape or form has always been the desire of corrupted men.
YOU ARE an idiot hands down I could chew this rant to pieces but my time is precious to me.

This will do and this in of itself shows you what an uneducated fool you are with regards to Church History

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"The original languages of Hebrew and Greek, and the 1,000 years of the Dark & Middle Ages when the Word was trapped in only Latin". This was done to ensure people did not have the ability to possess the knowledge of the Word of God on their own for their own agenda. The only way to obtain the knowledge or power was to pay for it."

During the Dark ages dumb dumb I was just wondering what language the bibles were in the GREEK orthodox church in Russia Slavic Belarus Lithuania Latvia shall I continue.

The Coptic Christians in Egypt and what is toady Tunisia Algeria Chad. I currently am working with Coptic Christians who still know Greek.

That should suffice as if you did not even remember that the Greek Orthodox Church was going strong then truly you are well..... a dumb dumb

I read your whole post its pathetic every line is as ignorant and absurd as you thinking Christianity was trapped only in Latin.

WOW WOW it must of been so easy for the LDS to brain wash you.

You are posting like a guy whose in these forums LDS some years back who pretended to be RC.

Pretty sure its you can't remember your handle it will come to me.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20062 Feb 11, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not take one verse out of context and make it a pretext as you do.
My post included verses before and after Det 17.
You see you must take in all the verses of the whole Bible to come up with sound doctrine so It is clear from the Verses in Genesis to Deuteronomy to Galatians where elders are only to have one wife as are laymen.
What the LDS does is take on verse that is fairly clear yet has some wiggle room as does Deuteronomy 17 and then make a case why it might not be.
But if you chose to be fair you take all the verses in the Bible that pertain to Marriage and you will find no wiggle room one man one woman to be married no more no less.
Now in the case of Moses David Solomon they did not have the NT that we have today but even then God judge them fairly and it is clear they knew better but chose not to listen to the Spirits leading. We have the complete revelation in Jesus the Christ as did Joseph Smith and like him you and I are with out excuses.
The biggest Problem with J.Smiths wives is he hid them from his 1st wife married legally married women, and married children.
In light of scripture Joseph Smith clearly was a false prophet the Bible tells us so.
Forget the LDS for the moment. The fact of the Bible is we read instances of monogamy or what we interpret to be monogamy. But another fact of the Bible is that many prophets/leaders/kings of the Israelite people partook in polygamous marriages. Another fact is a lot of these men were called righteous men and good men while engaged in these relationships. We know in one instance God gave a man who already had several wives, God gave him the wives of a dead king to have. We know polygamy is recorded to have happened as far back as the time of Adam while he was still alive.
The summery is that God not only endorsed monogamy, but when it served God's purposes and reasons, God endorsed polygamy also.
Deny it or take it as the Bible reveals it is up to you.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20063 Feb 11, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
I posted links that have these references that are first hand accounts that you have chosen to ignore. I given you first hand accounts that you can not refute.
If I posted the whole thing all 4000 pages of documentation then you would rant about cutting and pasting. READ it TEST it till then your posts are just gibberish from a rambling idiot.
AGAIN I have posted accounts you ignore because the truth is scaring the behegees out of you.
I post Cases X Y Z and then you try to argue about Cases A B and C that I never brought up or even once referneced.
I show you exhibit Z that shows J.S. had sex with children and you choose to argue about Exhibit B LOL you are a child.
If you are unwilling to address the evidence I have brought forth at least be honest and tell the forum you have not got a clue how to refute it.
Nice dodge and side step. Scared to prove your points?

What I know is you turned down a challenge. Scared to face your own sources? Scared to go through their testimonies?
I will state again and give you a chance to put your money where your mouth is.
"So paste just four (4) of your first hand accounts from your 'eye witnesses' and lets discuss the validity of what they said shall we?"
Remember, FIRST HAND ACCOUNTS. No rumours. No second or third or fourth hand accounts. list FOUR (4) FIRST HAND EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS you claim exist. Not list them or be your own liar that you claim they exist, but maybe you can't list them because you can't find what you claim exists.
Waiting..........

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20064 Feb 11, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually as any one who is not a dumb dumb like you can see there is not one fact in your post.
The is not one shred of evidence or one statement that can be tested and verified as factual.
Its all from the your delusional mind. 100% incoherent gibberish.
If LDS are Christian as YOU Claim why as a follower of Evangelical Christian beliefs am I not Mormon too?
You are Polytheistic as a Mormon you believe there are many God's like in Greek Mythology.
I am Monotheistic like the first Christians were.
Can these two beliefs Many Gods only One God be reconciled and called the same Beliefs have the same name?
NO its absurd its like saying snakes and ants are all insects.
By your beliefs as a MORMON you are not a Christian.
YOUR beliefs are as far from Christian beliefs as is paganism or witchcraft.
Truth Matters
Now all you're doing is showing me how childish of a little mind you really have. And to think I was giving you some credit for having a level of intelligence that you have totally now proved beyond a reasonable doubt you don't have.
You paste others words.
You call childish names.
You speak like a little child having a rant on the play ground.
My apology for thinking I was speaking to an adult, my sincerest apologies.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

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#20065 Feb 11, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
... blah, blah,...
I read your whole post its pathetic every line is as ignorant and absurd as you thinking Christianity was trapped only in Latin.
WOW WOW it must of been so easy for the LDS to brain wash you.
blah...
You missed a very important line in my post that you read ever line of...(2nd line btw)
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
...
This is not taught by the Mormon Church. It is strictly Biblical history...

sportxmouse

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Since: Sep 12

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#20066 Feb 11, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
... blah, blah, blah...
Another important fact that you forgot to read from my post was my following statement contained in that post you read every line in...

//// copied directly from that post (Post #20026)

The only way to have the TRUTH and I mean the FULL TRUTH is to go back to the ORIGINAL BIBLE...

it had the fullness.

Once it was broken up and taken away from and added to and modified it became NOT the ORIGINAL.

It is necessary for us to take ALL writings into account that ARE

O.R.I.G.I.N.A.L.

There is still more out there.

The Book of Mormon is just one of the O.R.I.G.I.N.A.L. writings discussed here. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is about the writings that originated from the Nephites in the Book of Mormon.

sportxmouse

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#20067 Feb 11, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
... blah, blah, blah...
If anyone would like to translate that into English for him go ahead.

sportxmouse

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#20068 Feb 12, 2013
Correction Referring to Post # 20066 Above

copied directly from (Post #20059)

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Not
(Post #20026)

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20069 Feb 12, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Wiki is not a valid source for proven factual evidence... as anyone can edit and add anything they want to the data.
The sources of the quotes by your leaders are given, you can verify them for yourself.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20070 Feb 12, 2013
Protester wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it's double the odds since there are two men in the home.
I'm not against gay men adopting boys, but I still say it's crazy for two men to parent little girls for many reasons.
I don't make a big deal of gays adopting kids in general because our society is falling apart and good homes are better than institutions and foster care. Also, molestation is a huge problem, which the American people want to ignore, like telling their young people to join the military and self-destruct, etc.
Women molest children also.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20071 Feb 12, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
-Whom was the Bible testifies of in John and Isaiah, if not about those regarding The Book of Mormon?
Read my post again, I've already given you the answer to those questions.
-THE GOSPEL is doing just as what was prophesied of bring the other sheep into one fold, and one shepherd. The Church of Jesus Christ is the fastest growing church in the world... and the church is spreading to all over the earth.
Mormon wishful thinking. http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/...
John 10:15-16
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Yes, the Jews and the gentiles.
-YOU know the facts about the learned man not being able to read the Book of Mormon before it was translated. YOU know he said I cannot read it. Yet, Joseph Smith a young man with minimal education and wealth was able to... and he said I am not learned.
He said the whole affair was a hoax on the part of Joseph Smith to swindle money.

"'The whole story about my pronouncing the Mormon inscription to be reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics is perfectly false. Some years ago, a plain, apparently simple-hearted farmer called on me with a note from Dr. Mitchell, of our city, now dead, requesting me to decipher, if possible, the paper which the farmer would hand me. Upon examining the paper in question, I soon came to the conclusion that it was all a trick—perhaps a hoax.... I have frequently conversed with friends on the subject since the Mormon excitement began, and well remember that the paper contained anything else but Egyptian hieroglyphics."

http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/anthonlet...
Isaiah 29:11-14
11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
You must read the Entire chapter to see that Gods' people have hardened their hearts & the warning that is being given here is not going to be harkened to & the simile here is giving some one a sealed book full of important info & they say they can't read it because the book is sealed or like giving the book to someone who can't read!!! That's all. Context, son, context.
-JS endured many trials and hardships because he did as he was instructed by the Lord. It does not matter if you believe if or not... God said it was so, and it is so.
Enduring hardships is not an indicator of truth. Many people have endured worst hardships then Joseph Smith for causes you would even claim is of the devil. It proves nothing.
Mormon cult

Salt Lake City, UT

#20072 Feb 12, 2013
I wonder what mormons thinks of Joe smith firing shots and killed two people and was also smoking and drinking before the so called martyr as the mormons prefer to call his death....Any thoughts mormons? Was he sweeping the word of wisdom under the rug for a bottle a wine....Just like how polygamy is discontinued for the time being..,.and we know its not dismissed all together since they still consider D & C 132 as scriptures...any idea mormons??
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20073 Feb 12, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Forget the LDS for the moment. The fact of the Bible is we read instances of monogamy or what we interpret to be monogamy. But another fact of the Bible is that many prophets/leaders/kings of the Israelite people partook in polygamous marriages. Another fact is a lot of these men were called righteous men and good men while engaged in these relationships. We know in one instance God gave a man who already had several wives, God gave him the wives of a dead king to have. We know polygamy is recorded to have happened as far back as the time of Adam while he was still alive.
The summery is that God not only endorsed monogamy, but when it served God's purposes and reasons, God endorsed polygamy also.
Deny it or take it as the Bible reveals it is up to you.
Again all this attests to his you have no idea why they were consider righteous.

That is because you believe its by Works and what you do.

But these men you reference were righteous in spite of their ACTIONS and deeds.

If you are to argue that we can be Polygamists because David was and he was also considered Righteous before God then clearly Adultery, Murder are OK too.

YOU miss it by a mile.

When David was confronted with the consequences of his his Sins Polygamy Murder he was repentant and truly Sorry and knew only God by Grace and Mercy could save him and create renew heart and soul in him.

He knew he was completely helpless to change his ways and only God could make him clean righteous as he was too far gone and no amount of good deeds after the fact could.

Read Psalm 51 again for the first time.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20074 Feb 12, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Another important fact that you forgot to read from my post was my following statement contained in that post you read every line in...
//// copied directly from that post (Post #20026)
The only way to have the TRUTH and I mean the FULL TRUTH is to go back to the ORIGINAL BIBLE...
it had the fullness.
Once it was broken up and taken away from and added to and modified it became NOT the ORIGINAL.
It is necessary for us to take ALL writings into account that ARE
O.R.I.G.I.N.A.L.
There is still more out there.
The Book of Mormon is just one of the O.R.I.G.I.N.A.L. writings discussed here. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is about the writings that originated from the Nephites in the Book of Mormon.
This again shows you know nothing of ancient texts and statistics.

We have sufficient Ancient texts of the Bible some 6000+ we have all the writings of Early Church fathers quoting these books as scripture that with out the ancient texts we can put together a complete NT just from their writings and when we do not one doctrine is in question when compare to ancient manuscripts.

Statistically from all these sources we can state the Bible of today is 99.99% the original.

So we have the Original Bible, God is GREAT when he says not even one stroke of his word can be lost no, even if Heaven Hell could pass away his word would not because he will not he is eternal thus his WORD.

I don't know what God you have put your faith in but he is not the God of the Bible who is Awesome and All powerful and nothing NOTHING can stop him and when he says he will preserve his word HE DOES.

This truth is contrary to the lies of the LDS false prophets.

Thus LDS are not Christian
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20075 Feb 12, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice dodge and side step. Scared to prove your points?
What I know is you turned down a challenge. Scared to face your own sources? Scared to go through their testimonies?
I will state again and give you a chance to put your money where your mouth is.
"So paste just four (4) of your first hand accounts from your 'eye witnesses' and lets discuss the validity of what they said shall we?"
Remember, FIRST HAND ACCOUNTS. No rumours. No second or third or fourth hand accounts. list FOUR (4) FIRST HAND EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS you claim exist. Not list them or be your own liar that you claim they exist, but maybe you can't list them because you can't find what you claim exists.
Waiting..........
done 3 times the links where you can find them are there if you truly a seeker of truth.

AS I stasted before if I cut and paste you complain if I don't you complain.

YOU are intolerable, you are uneducated in Theology and Church History you are fool.

I will continue to post documented verifiable proof that LDS are not Christians.

You well I would be a dumb dumb like you to continue this folly with you.

Mormons are not Christians stand by for the irrefutable FACTS that demonstrate this TRUTH

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

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#20076 Feb 12, 2013
Who was "John Foxe" & what the "Foxe's Book of Martyrs" is about

http://www.foxes-book-of-martyrs.com/history....

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Get a Free PDF Download of Foxe's Book Of Martyrs:

http://manybooks.net/titles/foxej2240022400-8...

sportxmouse

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#20077 Feb 12, 2013
RE: Coptic Christianity - persecuted and controlled by Roman Catholics - confront the Islamic faith

http://www.gotquestions.org/Coptic-Christiani...

*****
http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bib...

"By 500 AD the Bible had been translated into over 500 languages. Just one century later, by 600 AD, it has been restricted to only one language: the Latin Vulgate! The only organized and recognized church at that time in history was the Catholic Church of Rome, and they refused to allow the scripture to be available in any language other than Latin. Those in possession of non-Latin scriptures would be executed! This was because only the priests were educated to understand Latin, and this gave the church ultimate power… a power to rule without question… a power to deceive… a power to extort money from the masses. Nobody could question their “Biblical” teachings, because few people other than priests could read Latin. The church capitalized on this forced-ignorance through the 1,000 year period from 400 AD to 1,400 AD knows as the “Dark and Middle Ages”.

Pope Leo the Tenth established a practice called the “selling of indulgences” as a way to extort money from the people. He offered forgiveness of sins for a fairly small amount of money. For a little bit more money, you would be allowed to indulge in a continuous lifestyle of sin, such as keeping a mistress. Also, through the invention of “Purgatory”, you could purchase the salvation of your loved-one’s souls. The church taught the ignorant masses,“As soon as the coin in the coffer rings, the troubled soul from Purgatory springs!” Pope Leo the Tenth showed his true feelings when he said,“The fable of Christ has been quite profitable to us!”

sportxmouse

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#20078 Feb 12, 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copts#Foundation...

Encyclopedia Information on the different varieties of Coptic Christianity.

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