Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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#25274 May 6, 2013
osirica wrote:
<quoted text>1. The southerners weren't defending their way of life from taxation. They were mobilizing against the rightly perceived threat of slavery ending.

no where do you see Southern politicians raising the banner against taxation, but for the end of slavery.

No it was slavery period. The taxation is a moot point since the work was done by the slaves, so there was no moral argument for the South in that regard.

Secondarily, allegedly greedy old Lincoln wouldn't cut his nose and spite his face by freeing the slaves, and causing the $$$ to go bye bye...

And with all that you state below, it pales in comparison to the Confederate Constitution itself, which tried to institute slavery permanently. That stands out as the evidence prima firma... the last call on this issue.

This self-governing nonsense makes no sense as they pushed for federal laws to be enforced in the North to protect slavery. They had NO problem with the federal institutions THEN.

So you have your quotes, and I certainly have the Confederate Constitution to trump them all.

But keep on posting, because you know we can have quotes going back and forth like the civil war... you find some analysis of trading fears of the north and i have many more showing the fears of slavery ending in the south.

Yes, those everyday white folks down there were panicking about the negroes being free. Yes that was the main reason they went to war. The economics was a secondary and RELATED issue.
In 1788, Massachusetts passed a law ordering every black, mulatto, or Indian who came into the state and remained two months to be whipped publicly. This punishment was to be repeated if the they did not leave. This law remained in effect until 1834, by which time it done it's work of purging Massachusetts of undesirables. While this law was in force, Massachusetts was hard at work in the slave trade, from which the state collected large tax revenues. No they weren't driven by humanitarian or egalitarian desires to free their slaves. No, they were driven by the desire to remove the blacks, who they did not want to associate with for profit.

Since: Sep 12

Ava, MO

#25275 May 6, 2013
osirica wrote:
<quoted text>Yes and if you want to demonize Lincoln, that's all fine.

I understand his whole thing working with Harriet Tubman was all an act to you, and that's all fine,

but you ARE flooding the thread with an off topic conversation. I indulged it to a point, but I can see you will take the Mormon curse of cain out of this thread in the process...
I already admitted it being off topic of whether Mormons are Christian. But you brought up the topic of slavery, so I felt it important to address.

Since: Sep 12

Ava, MO

#25276 May 6, 2013
osirica wrote:
<quoted text>Ninth century?

Where pray tell?

Caliphate Land Middl East

And what did they speak of as religious justification? Those Muslims?

Qayin was the ancestor of the Zanj (Negroes) and his curse was passed upon them, which is why the Arabs had the "right" to enslave them, may Muhammad and Allah be merciful.

or some crap like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanj_Rebellion

Ninth century... read all about it.

Oh and thanks for finally getting caught up to speed on the true background of this discussion
Don't get too excited. I wasn't quite finished.
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#25277 May 6, 2013
Oh my goodness why are you two talking about this?

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#25278 May 6, 2013
Slavery is a factor in the evidence I present showing that Mormonism is not Christian.

It sanctified slavery against blacks by uplifting a blasphemous edit of the Bible, then calling it "a correction of earlier corruption" sought and still seeks to defend the philosophy and teaching to this very day.

ON topic...
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
I already admitted it being off topic of whether Mormons are Christian. But you brought up the topic of slavery, so I felt it important to address.

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#25279 May 6, 2013
Because the fact that this religion almost got a guy elected president... running against a black sitting president no doubt...

that has motivated me to teach every person I see that Mormonism is false because of the racist stuff about black people offends me that much!
stalker wrote:
Oh my goodness why are you two talking about this?

sportxmouse

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#25280 May 6, 2013
osirica wrote:
Like I said, you can make up a new thread...
But as you continue to write LONG replies, its more and more clear you're objective is to move us away from the topic.
Genesis 4 was not altered to remove some alleged anti-black bias.
<quoted text>
STOP TWISTING WORDS!

He said nothing of Genesis 4 being altered to remove some alleged anti-black bias.

I said nothing of the sort either.

I told you about EGYPTIANS (BLACKS) enslaving the (HEBREW) first.

I told you about the history of the CHURCH OF ROME. You took that history and twisted it so you could declare racial bigotry.

People have mixed so many times in this life there is no telling what is in the lineage of anybody just by looking at them.
THE ONLY RACIAL BIGOT HERE IS YOU.

You are a BIGOT. It's ok for Egyptians to enslave Hebrews, but its not ok to face the facts about history and learn truths about the history of the Church of Christ.

You are a Bigot.
You are a Bigot.
You are a Bigot.
You are a Bigot.
You are a Bigot.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has done nothing wrong by you. You are a reverse version of Archy Bunker.

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#25281 May 6, 2013
osirica wrote:
Because the fact that this religion almost got a guy elected president... running against a black sitting president no doubt...
that has motivated me to teach every person I see that Mormonism is false because of the racist stuff about black people offends me that much!
<quoted text>
Do you know what you are saying?

A white guy
almost got elected
over a black guy....

"racist stuff about black people offends me that much!"

You are a racial bigot.
You are a racial bigot.
You are a racial bigot.
You are a racial bigot.
You are a racial bigot.

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#25282 May 6, 2013
osirica wrote:
Slavery is a factor in the evidence I present showing that Mormonism is not Christian.
It sanctified slavery against blacks by uplifting a blasphemous edit of the Bible, then calling it "a correction of earlier corruption" sought and still seeks to defend the philosophy and teaching to this very day.
ON topic...
<quoted text>
God can bring to light what he wants, when he wants.

You have no say when he decides.

You can't even prevent him from making:
black people black,
and
white people white.

sportxmouse

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#25283 May 6, 2013
osirica wrote:
Getting back ON topic.
Genesis 4 was not altered. The "skin of blackness" was a later fabrication started by Muslims, and adopted by Joseph Smith, who attempted to push it retroactively into the Bible as a correction. He tried with his "JST" edition of the Bible and then with the Pearl of Great Price.
Where in the ORIGINAL Bible are you referring to?(THE ORIGINAL CAN'T BE FOUND, SO YOU ARE NOT)

Who said specifically Genesis 4 was altered?(YOU DID)

//
I HAVE TOLD YOU FROM A HISTORY BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BIBLE,

A PERSPECTIVE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS...

//
you twist it to say racial lies. Genesis 4 can not be determined at this time to be the original.

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#25284 May 6, 2013
The EGYPTIANS (BLACKS) were the first to ENSLAVE people (HEBREWS).

What goes around comes around.

You have not made one point. Other than you are tried to twist my words. Read the history. I provided it to you. Read the book of martyrs... read the secret society.

sportxmouse

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#25285 May 6, 2013
Take your argument up with Heavenly Father...

____I did not make people BLACK.

And, I didn't make the BLACKS (Egyptians) the first people to enslave people (the HEBREWS).

//
You STILL need to PROVE Adam and EVE were black all the way down to Jesus.

You STILL need to PROVE ADAM and EVE were from Africa.

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#25286 May 6, 2013
GENESIS 4:10-15

10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brotherís blood crieth unto me from the ground.

11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brotherís blood from thy hand;

12 WHEN THOU TILLEST THE GROUND, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.

13 And CAIN SAID unto the Lord, MY PUNISHMENT IS GREATER THAN I CAN BEAR.

14 Behold, THOU HAST DRIVEN ME OUT THIS DAY from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS, THAT EVERY ONE THAT FINDETH ME SHALL SLAY ME.

15 And the LORD SAID unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. AND THE LORD SET A MARK UPON CAIN, LEST ANY FINDING HIM SHOULD KILL HIM.

sportxmouse

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#25287 May 6, 2013
15... The Lord set a mark upon Cain so that anyone who found him would know who he was.

The LORD set a mark upon Cain to distinguish him from all overs.

So people would know instantly who they were dealing with. We know there are black people and we know there are white people.

We know God can do anything he wants.

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#25288 May 6, 2013
I never said The Church of Rome changed Genesis 4. I said it has not been proven to be the ORIGINAL.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#25289 May 6, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
STOP TWISTING WORDS!
He said nothing of Genesis 4 being altered to remove some alleged anti-black bias.
I said nothing of the sort either.
I told you about EGYPTIANS (BLACKS) enslaving the (HEBREW) first.
I told you about the history of the CHURCH OF ROME. You took that history and twisted it so you could declare racial bigotry.
People have mixed so many times in this life there is no telling what is in the lineage of anybody just by looking at them.
THE ONLY RACIAL BIGOT HERE IS YOU.
You are a BIGOT. It's ok for Egyptians to enslave Hebrews, but its not ok to face the facts about history and learn truths about the history of the Church of Christ.
You are a Bigot.
You are a Bigot.
You are a Bigot.
You are a Bigot.
You are a Bigot.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has done nothing wrong by you. You are a reverse version of Archy Bunker.
Proof that ignorance is bliss.

sportxmouse

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#25290 May 6, 2013
I was making a point why the Church of Rome - whom were the ones to give the order to kill Jesus Christ...

did what they did.

When you author a document...

and someone or a lot of someone's

modify, edit, add without authority,

WAIT A MINUTE...

That don't make no sense

Well I think Martin Luther said it best...

Let's go directly to the author.

www.yavanika.org/classes/reader/luther2.pdf

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#25291 May 6, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
STOP TWISTING WORDS!
He said nothing of Genesis 4 being altered to remove some alleged anti-black bias.
I said nothing of the sort either.
I told you about EGYPTIANS (BLACKS) enslaving the (HEBREW) first.
I told you about the history of the CHURCH OF ROME. You took that history and twisted it so you could declare racial bigotry.
People have mixed so many times in this life there is no telling what is in the lineage of anybody just by looking at them.
THE ONLY RACIAL BIGOT HERE IS YOU.
You are a BIGOT. It's ok for Egyptians to enslave Hebrews, but its not ok to face the facts about history and learn truths about the history of the Church of Christ.
You are a Bigot.
You are a Bigot.
You are a Bigot.
You are a Bigot.
You are a Bigot.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has done nothing wrong by you. You are a reverse version of Archy Bunker.
Lets all simmer down. Matt 5:22

sportxmouse

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#25292 May 6, 2013
Matthew 16:18
I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

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#25293 May 6, 2013
John 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

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