1st 3 women Marines graduate from inf...

1st 3 women Marines graduate from infantry course

There are 45 comments on the WHDH story from Nov 21, 2013, titled 1st 3 women Marines graduate from infantry course. In it, WHDH reports that:

Three Marines have become the first women ever to graduate from the Corps' tough enlisted infantry training school in North Carolina.

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Dr Oz

Nha Trang, Vietnam

#1 Nov 21, 2013
don't ask don"t tell again!!;)
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#2 Nov 22, 2013
Well just how many started the course, and only three made the grade, that doesn't sound too good to me. And what was the cost to us, the tax payer for those who started and dropped out, not cost efective.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#3 Nov 22, 2013
Good for them. If they can do the job more power to them.
cervantes

Hayti, SD

#4 Nov 22, 2013
The baby boomers raised a generation that resulted in feminized males and masculinized females. also the pool of americans smart enough to use modern military technology is far more limited since the lazy stupid blacks and hispanics breed like rabbits breeding huge nuumber of males too dumb to put one foot in front of the other without govt assistance. Smart aggressive women will do fine

Since: Mar 08

New Hyde Park, NY

#5 Nov 22, 2013
Good for them, I hope their superiors didn't sexually assault them too badly. I'm sure with the PTSD and the sex abuse these fine women will reintegrate into society just fine.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#6 Nov 22, 2013
cervantes wrote:
The baby boomers raised a generation that resulted in feminized males and masculinized females. also the pool of americans smart enough to use modern military technology is far more limited since the lazy stupid blacks and hispanics breed like rabbits breeding huge nuumber of males too dumb to put one foot in front of the other without govt assistance. Smart aggressive women will do fine
Notice how racists manage to bring their racist views into every discussion? Even those which have nothing to do with race?

Yes, I'm referring to you.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#7 Nov 22, 2013
Jkjkhardcore wrote:
Good for them, I hope their superiors didn't sexually assault them too badly. I'm sure with the PTSD and the sex abuse these fine women will reintegrate into society just fine.
The simple answer to sexual assault in the military is for female servicemembers to grab their side arm and start shooting dicks off.

I GUARANTEE all sexual assaults would come to a SCHREECHING halt!
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#8 Nov 22, 2013
This issue is not being pushed by female Marines pounding at the doors of congress claiming that their inability to serve in the infantry violates their right to equality. This is being pushed by a small committee of civilians appointed by the Secretary of Defense called the Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Service (DACOWITS).

They advise DOD on policy, pertaining to the well-being of women in the Armed Services. Members are selected based on their prior military experience or experience with women’s workforce issues. As it pertains to the issue of women in the infantry, none of the committee members are on active duty or have any recent combat or relevant operational experience relating to the issue they are attempting to change.

The Army has already ramped up for full integration but the Army is not the Marines. Operational speed, tempo, and overall mission is fundamentally different. Even if the Army ultimately does fully integrate all military occupational fields, that doesn’t mean the Corps should follow suit.

It says something that there are only 3 women who passed the course. It is outstanding that they have proven themselves to be physically, mentally, and morally capable of leading and executing combat-type operations but in the end you have to also think about what happens over time in very difficult combat situations. It is a question of longevity. Can women endure the physical and physiological rigors of sustained combat operations, and are they willing to accept the attrition and medical issues that go along with integration?

It is not about fairness, if it were that would be an easy question to anwser. It is simply, if full integration is made will that make the Marines a more or a less effective force at accomplishing their mission?
American Lady

Danville, KY

#9 Nov 22, 2013
1st 3 women Marines graduate from infantry course

Carey says the women met the same test standards as the men in the class. The course includes a grueling 12-mile march with an 80-pound pack as well as a variety of combat fitness tests.

Read more: http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/national/1...

Semper Fi
Cordwainer Trout

Greensburg, KY

#10 Nov 22, 2013
Do they have a "Time-Out I'm Menstruating" card?
Justin

United States

#11 Nov 22, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Do they have a "Time-Out I'm Menstruating" card?
Certainly not when they're held captive behind enemy lines. It's inevitable that some of them will end up in situations where folks don't play by the politically correct rules, and as a woman it will be double the pain and suffering.

“Hello Trump”

Since: Jan 07

Goodby Hillary

#12 Nov 22, 2013
Good for them. They made it thru Boot Camp,no bed of roses. Then the ITC regimen,also no bed of roses. But those were the prelims to join the FMF. The REAL test comes in the field,with REAL Marines,in REAL PROLONGED field conditions. Another will be when IF the time comes for them to LEAD male Marines,again,no bed of roses. I KNOW.
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#13 Nov 22, 2013
okimar wrote:
Good for them. They made it thru Boot Camp,no bed of roses. Then the ITC regimen,also no bed of roses. But those were the prelims to join the FMF. The REAL test comes in the field,with REAL Marines,in REAL PROLONGED field conditions. Another will be when IF the time comes for them to LEAD male Marines,again,no bed of roses. I KNOW.
Actually using them in real world prolonged combat conditions would result a colossal increase in crippling and career-ending medical conditions for females. They are just not as durable and there exist no evidence that they will enhance the performance of combat units.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#14 Nov 22, 2013
Robert wrote:
This issue is not being pushed by female Marines pounding at the doors of congress claiming that their inability to serve in the infantry violates their right to equality. This is being pushed by a small committee of civilians appointed by the Secretary of Defense called the Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Service (DACOWITS).
They advise DOD on policy, pertaining to the well-being of women in the Armed Services. Members are selected based on their prior military experience or experience with women’s workforce issues. As it pertains to the issue of women in the infantry, none of the committee members are on active duty or have any recent combat or relevant operational experience relating to the issue they are attempting to change.
The Army has already ramped up for full integration but the Army is not the Marines. Operational speed, tempo, and overall mission is fundamentally different. Even if the Army ultimately does fully integrate all military occupational fields, that doesn’t mean the Corps should follow suit.
It says something that there are only 3 women who passed the course. It is outstanding that they have proven themselves to be physically, mentally, and morally capable of leading and executing combat-type operations but in the end you have to also think about what happens over time in very difficult combat situations. It is a question of longevity. Can women endure the physical and physiological rigors of sustained combat operations, and are they willing to accept the attrition and medical issues that go along with integration?
It is not about fairness, if it were that would be an easy question to anwser. It is simply, if full integration is made will that make the Marines a more or a less effective force at accomplishing their mission?
More.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#16 Nov 22, 2013
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually using them in real world prolonged combat conditions would result a colossal increase in crippling and career-ending medical conditions for females. They are just not as durable and there exist no evidence that they will enhance the performance of combat units.
Actually you have that completely backwards.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#17 Nov 22, 2013
Robert wrote:
This issue is not being pushed by female Marines pounding at the doors of congress claiming that their inability to serve in the infantry violates their right to equality. This is being pushed by a small committee of civilians appointed by the Secretary of Defense called the Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Service (DACOWITS).
They advise DOD on policy, pertaining to the well-being of women in the Armed Services. Members are selected based on their prior military experience or experience with women’s workforce issues. As it pertains to the issue of women in the infantry, none of the committee members are on active duty or have any recent combat or relevant operational experience relating to the issue they are attempting to change.
The Army has already ramped up for full integration but the Army is not the Marines. Operational speed, tempo, and overall mission is fundamentally different. Even if the Army ultimately does fully integrate all military occupational fields, that doesn’t mean the Corps should follow suit.
It says something that there are only 3 women who passed the course. It is outstanding that they have proven themselves to be physically, mentally, and morally capable of leading and executing combat-type operations but in the end you have to also think about what happens over time in very difficult combat situations. It is a question of longevity. Can women endure the physical and physiological rigors of sustained combat operations, and are they willing to accept the attrition and medical issues that go along with integration?
It is not about fairness, if it were that would be an easy question to anwser. It is simply, if full integration is made will that make the Marines a more or a less effective force at accomplishing their mission?
Some stats from the Marines would be nice. Like how many signed up for or were chosen to start the course, what is their age and what was the dropout rate. All they have said was that three passed the course just plain bullshit with no facts.
I had six work for me in the AF and all of them were not worth spit. Tried to pull that"its my period crap" sent them off to the hospital to get slips exempting them from work, Didn't come back with one, so they worked right along with the guys.

Since: Dec 07

Spring, TX

#18 Nov 22, 2013
Good for them!

“bar0ckalypse n0w”

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#19 Nov 22, 2013
cervantes wrote:
The baby boomers raised a generation that resulted in feminized males and masculinized females. also the pool of americans smart enough to use modern military technology is far more limited since the lazy stupid blacks and hispanics breed like rabbits breeding huge nuumber of males too dumb to put one foot in front of the other without govt assistance. Smart aggressive women will do fine
Liberals did it.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#20 Nov 22, 2013
mjjcpa wrote:
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Liberals did it.
Yes Obozo's merry men and lesbians and week sister, and yes men Gererals in the Pentagon.
Insipid Sophistry -

Sierra Vista, AZ

#21 Nov 23, 2013
Majority of our Generals, mostly retired where they can speak their own minds are against it, and for good reasons. Decisions being made by civilians that have never served in uniform or in combat for that matter -- with their continued 'tinkering' with the socialization of our military is not in keeping with the mission and moral of our troops. This is what the Dutch military did, and turned themselves into an inept stigmatized military that couldn't fight their way out of powder room.

Combat is the worse thing that a human can face and not have serious consequences, even if they live through it -- not to mention the dehumanizing aspects of living in the 'field' amongst filth,squaller and disease, where privacy is a luxury. Throwing women into this mix is a lot different than flying above it all, where you can return to hot chow, showers and clean sheets after a mission. The worst that can happen to you in this scenario is to get killed. Not so in the Infantry - it can easly be a lingering death.

The Israeli Defense Force allows women to fight in 'light' combat situations, not because of Political Correctness, but for the lack of numerical assets in a surrounding sea of Muslim Jehadis.

A stupid move, that will get people killed unnecessarily for the sake of political correctness!

http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/article/ge...

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