Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#114465 Jun 17, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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Nope. Have a poll to back this up?
I think dS is right: http://ncse.com/news/2011/04/polling-creation... .

Since: Jun 14

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#114467 Jun 17, 2014
polymath257 wrote:
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What about physics?
"Thought experiments have been used in a variety of fields, including philosophy, law, PHYSICS, and mathematics." [wikipedia.com]

*raises one eyebrow and exhales cigarette smoke slowly*
THE LONE WORKER

Duluth, GA

#114468 Jun 17, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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Yes.
Does water burn?
No.
Do you understand metaphors?
Apparently not.
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Asking whether the universe has the capacity for intelligence is like asking whether water burns or incinerates. Senseless question. A senseless question provokes irony.
Please state the question in an unambiguous way.
I read about an experiment where a pressure tank with a pop-off valve was filled with water and a piece of aluminum foil and some lye was added. A reaction caused the pop-off valve to open and the pure hydrogen which escaped could be burned. If you can separate the hydrogen and oxygen, then YES water burns.

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#114469 Jun 17, 2014
The Dude wrote:
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What facts am I not acknowledging?
If you refer to the fact of God's existence then unfortunately you have yet to demonstrate that this being even exists yet, much less that you know it better than anyone else on Earth. Or even just here.
Before you get to "If you refer to the fact of God's existence then unfortunately you have yet to demonstrate that": deal with:

1. Is looking for evidence that someone said something, the same as looking for evidence that a vehicle has passed a particular spot?

2. Do words have the same effects as tire tracks?

3. Do words leave impressions on the ground like tire tracks?

4. Do we not know that when looking for evidence of things, it is the nature of the thing that determines how that thing will/can be investigated?

I ahve structured them such that a simple yes/no will be sufficient.

Since: Jun 14

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#114470 Jun 17, 2014
JM_Brazil wrote:
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I don't know, do you have the capacity?
Suppose I do.

What would that imply, as it relates to the question?

Since: Jun 14

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#114471 Jun 17, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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Was that supposed to be an answer?
Skip the word salad and answer the question. How does natural selection demonstrate intent?
Just checking to make sure you know what intelligence means.

So far, I am not seeing any sign that you do.
deutscher Stolz

Osnabrück, Germany

#114472 Jun 17, 2014
Kong_ wrote:
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No, it is not the 'truth'.
It is merely you biased opinion based upon limited contact with other cultures.
Then tell me. Why am I just average intelligent (the Turks not included) inside of Germany but superior outside of Germany?

Ich have already been in France, Spain, the Uk, Austria, Switzerland, Czech republic, the Netherlands, Denmark, Poland, Marocco, the united arabic emirates, Saudi Arabia (my uncle is working there as a political economist) and Italy.
The only intelligent people I have met were in Austria and the German part of Switzerland.
Besides Austria is nothing but Germany. I consider Austria as the 17th 'Bundesland'.

Since: Jun 14

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#114473 Jun 17, 2014
The Dude wrote:
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It has the capacity to contain intelligent biological organisms inside it. That's the only known way intelligence exists.
At the moment.
Okay.

So are we and our intelligence separate from the universe?

Is our intelligence the product of natural forces in nature, or outside/beyond of nature?
THE LONE WORKER

Duluth, GA

#114474 Jun 17, 2014
Back many years ago some people made their own soap which was made from lard and lye. Many people got their lye from the bottom of wooden rain barrels, which were filled with stove or fire place ashes. I don't know if a person could use lye and aluminum to make enough hydrogen to power a hydrogen fuel celled engine, but maybe so.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#114475 Jun 17, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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I think dS is right: http://ncse.com/news/2011/04/polling-creation... .
I disagree. There are a percentage of Germans who are creationists - about 12% or 1 in 8.

The majority of Americans are not creationists. About 40% are but that is not a majority or the "rule" as bubi claimed.

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#114476 Jun 17, 2014
polymath257 wrote:
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... The universe clearly has the capacity to *produce* intelligent species. That is very different than the universe itself being intelligent. No, the universe as a whole shows no signs of being intelligent or even intelligently designed.
Okay.

Does a scientist who creates an artificially intelligent system show signs of being intelligent?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#114477 Jun 17, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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Just checking to make sure you know what intelligence means.
So far, I am not seeing any sign that you do.
Oh, I feel SOOOOOO bad. I'm stupid because you can't answer the f**king question. You betcha.

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#114478 Jun 17, 2014
I Talk to Dumb People wrote:
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Hello, how are you doing today?
To address your dumb questions; the answers are yes and yes.
They say "send a thief to catch a thief"; so I guess thats why they sent a dumb person in search of dumb questions...

*flicks cigarette, and spits on the ground*

“If It Is Possible”

Since: Mar 13

It Will Likely Happen

#114479 Jun 17, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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I disagree. There are a percentage of Germans who are creationists - about 12% or 1 in 8.
The majority of Americans are not creationists. About 40% are but that is not a majority or the "rule" as bubi claimed.
US population 316 million. 40% are creationist=126 million are creationist=1 in 2.5

Germany population 80 million. 12% are creationists=9 million are creationist.=1 in 8.8

Since: Jun 14

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#114480 Jun 17, 2014
HOG_Hand Of God wrote:
Does water have the capacity to hold/carry heat?
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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Does water burn?
No.
Ok.

Now that the world has an idea of the level of critical thinking skills of the people involved... lets move on...
TurkanaBoy wrote:
Do you understand metaphors?
Yes, I do.

But in all your scientific objectivity, it seemed beyond you to engage in the use of metaphors during such debates/discussions.

I would have thought that metaphors and symbolism, analogy and anthropomorphism etc were strictly to implements of creatards, god-bots, ancient desert codex readers etc etc.
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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Asking whether the universe has the capacity for intelligence is like asking whether water burns or incinerates. Senseless question. A senseless question provokes irony.
Please state the question in an unambiguous way.
I was not being metaphorical in my choice of expressions.

The words I used are well known to you and are meaningful in the scientific community:

Nevertheless, I shall rephrase.

Does the universe have the capacity to behave intelligently or demonstrate elements of behavior similar to those observable in intelligent behavior?

“Don't be mad at me.”

Since: Jan 11

I'm just a little bunny.

#114481 Jun 17, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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One would think that every mutation has an effect on the individual, even if small. If in the population none of the them, no 2 will have the exact mutations then it stands to reason that some with different mutations still will evolve to the same outcome/effect of the population. Is there a dominant mutation that supersedes all the others? Again as I say "don't know if all that makes since, so I am asking." .
A single point mutation that doesn't cause a change in an amino acid would be an example of a neutral mutation. If the mutation is to a dominant allele, then your answer would be yes, but the recessive allele or mutated recessive allele could still remain in the population at a low frequency.

“Don't be mad at me.”

Since: Jan 11

I'm just a little bunny.

#114482 Jun 17, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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They say "send a thief to catch a thief"; so I guess thats why they sent a dumb person in search of dumb questions...
*flicks cigarette, and spits on the ground*
I didn't figure you for a spitter.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#114483 Jun 17, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
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Then tell me. Why am I just average intelligent (the Turks not included) inside of Germany but superior outside of Germany?
Ich have already been in France, Spain, the Uk, Austria, Switzerland, Czech republic, the Netherlands, Denmark, Poland, Marocco, the united arabic emirates, Saudi Arabia (my uncle is working there as a political economist) and Italy.
The only intelligent people I have met were in Austria and the German part of Switzerland.
Besides Austria is nothing but Germany. I consider Austria as the 17th 'Bundesland'.
Getting kind of close to some * v - e - r - y * dangerous concepts expressed by a certain German dictator some 70 years or so ago, bucko.

You have LIMITED contact with persons of other cultures, and yet you consider yourself "superior".

You're not even "superior" on this thread (not that I am claiming I am either).

What you have stated above is your *OPINION*. You have no data to back up your OPINION. All you are is just a very biased, hormone-fueled, naive kid who should take a step back, learn more about *REAL* history, and gain a bit of humility.
THE LONE WORKER

Duluth, GA

#114484 Jun 17, 2014
Hydrogen can also be burned in an internal combustion engine. I have heard of hydrogen being introduced to gasoline engines as well, to at least double gas mileage.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#114485 Jun 17, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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US population 316 million. 40% are creationist=126 million are creationist=1 in 2.5
Germany population 80 million. 12% are creationists=9 million are creationist.=1 in 8.8
Works for me.

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