Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Read more

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#77826 Feb 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>just stating the fact that the bible points out about its mythical god..
You mean you have factual proof that God is mythical?

Well, by Jupiter, let's hear it!

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#77827 Feb 28, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean you have factual proof that God is mythical?
Well, by Jupiter, let's hear it!
no facts that the mythical fgod in the bible is a vindictive little prick that would be in jail in today's world.
sickofit

Faribault, MN

#77828 Feb 28, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, then I agree, but would raise those figures to %90.
God is also a Libertarian. If we obey his very limited laws, we don't need government, or all those silly taxes and regulations. God doesn't like taxes, or titles of nobility. Why, Adam and Eve could have lived the Libertarian dream forever, no clothes, sex whenever, living off the land, and enjoying life.
The problem is the secular Libertarian, such as yourself, is that your beliefs are ultimately based on two main sources.
Thomas Aquinas and his assertion that government is below the people, and subject to the people, and the Founders that agreed, though because mostly Protrestants, couldn't site their Catholic sources for Libertarianism (which is merely call Christianity and free will.) And Ayn Rand is the second source, practically the founder of the Libertarian Party and Reason Magazine, and friends of Reagan.
The problem with Ayn is that she was a Jew, and expressed her Jewish beliefs in secular terms, either wittingly or unwittingly.
Just examine your Libertarian motto. "I, for the love of my life, swear not to live for the sake of any other man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
Right?
We Christians sum it up slightly differently. I, for the love of God, swear not to live for any man, or ask any man to live for us.
Real conservative? Nay, Libertarians and Christians, and Jews, are radical liberals of the most extreme kind, REAL Liberals, not the fake pansies that demand special rights for gays and government officials.
Your god is a nazi pig...If he is even real....He is mean and if you dont bow down he smashes you..OH YEA SO NICE....NOT.......
Edgar

Spring, TX

#77829 Feb 28, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean you have factual proof that God is mythical?
Well, by Jupiter, let's hear it!
So wait - you've just arrived to a claim and the way you intend to prove it's true is by exposing his lack of capability to prove that it isn't?

Sorry, but that doesn't fly in the world of experimentation. You don't just say "I think that toothbrushes are really high-intelligence robots planning to take over society," and then when people call it crazy, say, "Well prove it isn't true!"

You don't assume and then make others disprove your assumptions. You research and then come to a conclusion. That's why religion and science can never integrate. If you follow the Bible religiously then your mind is already made up. There's no room for experimenting. You can't expand from it.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#77830 Feb 28, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Argument by authority?
In other words, logic fail ... again.
Sure, "professional" scientists support evolution. I never suggested otherwise.
But the actual application of the scientific principle does not support it. The model still doesn't work, and no amount of "professional" scientists can make a working model yet.
Got it? Good.
Wrong.

Again.

"Argument from Authority" would have been a proper rebuke if I claimed that Chef Gordon Ramsay, said that science supported the Theory of Evolution, or that the Top Ten NASCAR drivers all supported the ToE. Providing they are not also considered experts in the biological sciences, then using them as "authorities" in that regard would be fallacious.

Instead YOU said that science didn't support the Theory of Evolution. Using the sources I provided showed without a doubt that science DOES support the Theory of Evolution.

I proved you wrong.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#77831 Feb 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no facts that the mythical fgod in the bible is a vindictive little prick that would be in jail in today's world.
Punctuation in fun!

should be:

No, facts that the mythical god......

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#77832 Feb 28, 2013
Edgar wrote:
<quoted text>
So wait - you've just arrived to a claim and the way you intend to prove it's true is by exposing his lack of capability to prove that it isn't?
Sorry, but that doesn't fly in the world of experimentation. You don't just say "I think that toothbrushes are really high-intelligence robots planning to take over society," and then when people call it crazy, say, "Well prove it isn't true!"
You don't assume and then make others disprove your assumptions. You research and then come to a conclusion. That's why religion and science can never integrate. If you follow the Bible religiously then your mind is already made up. There's no room for experimenting. You can't expand from it.
the yahoo isn't real interested in science or facts or such.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Long Beach

#77833 Feb 28, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
This is an Evolution v. Creation discussion, not a theological discussion on beliefs.
I make no claim. And I support neither evolution or creation, and neither has any scientific evidence, and all data is subject to alternative interpretations.
Really...every scientific organization on EARTH has this same alternate interpretation and is trying to fool the public??

Are you familiar with paranoia??

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#77834 Feb 28, 2013
"One of the simplest and best proofs that evolution is a joke, is the FACT that there is NO recorded history prior to 4,000 B.C. The world's history is CLEARY defined by SIX world powers since time began: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. Since Rome's fall in 476 A.D., there have been no world-powers (many super-powers; but, no world-powers). At the time of Moses, Egypt ruled the world. The Israelites were used as slave labor by Pharaoh to build the pyramids. Before Egypt, there is absolutely nothing recorded in history about a world-power.
It is NO coincidence that Revelation 17:10 speaks of these world-powers, "...five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." At the writing of Revelation, Rome was still a world-power. The Apostle John, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that Rome is the 6th world-power, and there is one more to come. The 7th world-power will be the beast system, the kingdom of the antichrist. This diabolical New World Order is quickly forming now (i.e., a universal religious view, global centralized government, a one-world economic system, a cashless society, etc.).

Do you think it's a mere coincidence that the Word of God is so concise on world history? The Bible records the beginning of mankind at about 4,000 B.C., and secular history is eerily silent before 4,000 B.C. for those who claim to believe in evolution. If I were an evolutionist, I would be extremely disturbed by this FACT. Prove me wrong! I dare you. I triple-dog dare you to show me any recorded civilization before 4,000 B.C. And I don't mean some pottery jug or item that you claim is 14,000 years old--Show me any evidence of civilization prior to 4,000 B.C. You cannot. In fact, it is difficult to find much recorded history before 2,500 B.C., because the flood of Noah's day destroyed most of it.

How can evolutionists be so naive and foolish as to totally ignore this incredibly obvious fact? There is NO recorded history prior to 4,000 B.C., no writings, no carved stones, no battles, no wars, no countries, no nothing! It's as if mankind just suddenly began (which is exactly what the Bible teaches happened). God created man out of the dirt, the elements, of the earth. "

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%2520...

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#77835 Feb 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
"One of the simplest and best proofs that evolution is a joke, is the FACT that there is NO recorded history prior to 4,000 B.C. The world's history is CLEARY defined by SIX world powers since time began: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. Since Rome's fall in 476 A.D., there have been no world-powers (many super-powers; but, no world-powers). At the time of Moses, Egypt ruled the world. The Israelites were used as slave labor by Pharaoh to build the pyramids. Before Egypt, there is absolutely nothing recorded in history about a world-power.
It is NO coincidence that Revelation 17:10 speaks of these world-powers, "...five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." At the writing of Revelation, Rome was still a world-power. The Apostle John, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that Rome is the 6th world-power, and there is one more to come. The 7th world-power will be the beast system, the kingdom of the antichrist. This diabolical New World Order is quickly forming now (i.e., a universal religious view, global centralized government, a one-world economic system, a cashless society, etc.).
Do you think it's a mere coincidence that the Word of God is so concise on world history? The Bible records the beginning of mankind at about 4,000 B.C., and secular history is eerily silent before 4,000 B.C. for those who claim to believe in evolution. If I were an evolutionist, I would be extremely disturbed by this FACT. Prove me wrong! I dare you. I triple-dog dare you to show me any recorded civilization before 4,000 B.C. And I don't mean some pottery jug or item that you claim is 14,000 years old--Show me any evidence of civilization prior to 4,000 B.C. You cannot. In fact, it is difficult to find much recorded history before 2,500 B.C., because the flood of Noah's day destroyed most of it.
How can evolutionists be so naive and foolish as to totally ignore this incredibly obvious fact? There is NO recorded history prior to 4,000 B.C., no writings, no carved stones, no battles, no wars, no countries, no nothing! It's as if mankind just suddenly began (which is exactly what the Bible teaches happened). God created man out of the dirt, the elements, of the earth. "
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%2520...
History cannot be recorded until writing is invented, and that happened way earlier than 4,000 BC. There are tons of civilizations before 4,000 BC, even Egypt existed prior to that by many centuries. Do you just ignore everything that differs from your bible?

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#77836 Feb 28, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
really? show me one post that I said against science...I'll wait.
Creatards dont openly state they are against science. They show they are against science by their beliefs. If you said that the universe is ten thousand years old or less you are against all science since and including Newton..... etc. etc. etc.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#77837 Feb 28, 2013
http://mostextreme.org/oldest_civilization.ph...

"The earliest signs of a transition from nomadic to permanent, year-round settlement process can be traced back to the Mediterranean region to as early as 12000 BC, when the Natufian culture became sedentary and evolved into an agricultural society by 10000 BC."

Since recorded history can only exist when writing does, there's this other bit of study we use, it's called archeology. You know, the field many people tried to pass off fraudulent evidence for certain biblical artifacts.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Long Beach

#77838 Feb 28, 2013
Creotards keep saying there is no scientific evidence for evolution....the problem seems to be they can't or won't use the search function of google.com .

The evidence for evolution has primarily come from four sources:
1. the fossil record of change in earlier species
2. the chemical and anatomical similarities of related life forms
3. the geographic distribution of related species
4. the recorded genetic changes in living organisms over many generations

Full Article: http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
**********

Signs of recent evolution by natural selection are widespread across the human genome, experts say.

Genome researchers at the University of Chicago have identified more than 700 regions in human DNA where apparently strong selection has occurred, driving the spread of genes linked to a broad range of characteristics.

"These are very recent events—within the past ten thousand years," said Jonathan Pritchard, a geneticist whose laboratory team conducted the study.
The results suggest that humans in different regions have continued to adapt in numerous ways to both environmental changes and cultural innovations.

Full Article: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/...

Five Proofs of Evolution: http://www.evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-pro...
The Probability of Life: http://www.evolutionfaq.com/articles/probabil...

Lines of evidence: The science of evolution: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...

National Academy of Sciences information on evolution:
http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/ne...

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#77839 Feb 28, 2013
Langy, written history goes back to roughly 5,000 years ago:

http://science4heretics.blogspot.com/2011/04/...

Cave drawings can be found that are more than 40,000 years old.

So what if written history is only 5,000 years old. That is not a upper limit on the age of the Earth in any way

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#77840 Feb 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Langy, written history goes back to roughly 5,000 years ago:
http://science4heretics.blogspot.com/2011/04/...
Cave drawings can be found that are more than 40,000 years old.
So what if written history is only 5,000 years old. That is not a upper limit on the age of the Earth in any way
I think he assumes that once we evolved brains we'd evolve writing on the same generation or something. He fails to acknowledge, or perhaps learn, that language had to develop from nothing but grunts and gestures.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Long Beach

#77841 Feb 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
"One of the simplest and best proofs that evolution is a joke, is the FACT that there is NO recorded history prior to 4,000 B.C. The world's history is CLEARY defined by SIX world powers since time began: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. Since Rome's fall in 476 A.D., there have been no world-powers (many super-powers; but, no world-powers). At the time of Moses, Egypt ruled the world. The Israelites were used as slave labor by Pharaoh to build the pyramids. Before Egypt, there is absolutely nothing recorded in history about a world-power.
It is NO coincidence that Revelation 17:10 speaks of these world-powers, "...five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." At the writing of Revelation, Rome was still a world-power. The Apostle John, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that Rome is the 6th world-power, and there is one more to come. The 7th world-power will be the beast system, the kingdom of the antichrist. This diabolical New World Order is quickly forming now (i.e., a universal religious view, global centralized government, a one-world economic system, a cashless society, etc.).
Do you think it's a mere coincidence that the Word of God is so concise on world history? The Bible records the beginning of mankind at about 4,000 B.C., and secular history is eerily silent before 4,000 B.C. for those who claim to believe in evolution. If I were an evolutionist, I would be extremely disturbed by this FACT. Prove me wrong! I dare you. I triple-dog dare you to show me any recorded civilization before 4,000 B.C. And I don't mean some pottery jug or item that you claim is 14,000 years old--Show me any evidence of civilization prior to 4,000 B.C. You cannot. In fact, it is difficult to find much recorded history before 2,500 B.C., because the flood of Noah's day destroyed most of it.
How can evolutionists be so naive and foolish as to totally ignore this incredibly obvious fact? There is NO recorded history prior to 4,000 B.C., no writings, no carved stones, no battles, no wars, no countries, no nothing! It's as if mankind just suddenly began (which is exactly what the Bible teaches happened). God created man out of the dirt, the elements, of the earth. "
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%2520...
Dummy....writing was not invented untill about 3500-3100 BC. There is monoliths (carved stone) from Turkey that date to around 11,000 12,000 BP and a mural also in Turkey that is dated to about the same time. Look up:
Gobekli Tepe in google. or

Also try:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...

Just because you don't do any research don't think your world-view is true. There's a great big world out there dude, full of wonderful things...one has only to inquire.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#77842 Feb 28, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you are a victim of bad Catholicism for the last 150 years.
One, religion cannot be personal. If one knows the truth, then you have an obligation to share it, and enlighten others, which is exactly what Jesus taught. If you believe in God, then you'd be proclaiming that, and attempting to persuade others.
And a day will come when you will have to accept your cousin's honest attempt to save your soul and take him seriously, or admit that you despise him and his faith. Either your cousin is right, or he is wrong. There is no middle ground. Either you are right, or you are wrong, but your cousin has more than enough evidence to prove you are wrong ... if you but listen.
God bless.
His cousin is wrong.
anonymous

Barberton, OH

#77843 Feb 28, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
I wrote:
Oh, the British have made significant contributions to the world?
That's wonderful!
Charles Idemi wrote:
I suppose that entitles the British to treat the Irish any way they please?
You are Anglophobic!
Find out what the IRA did to innocent souls.
I wrote:
Oh, I misunderstood!
I humbly apologize!
I thought you were arguing that British contributions to the world justified mistreatment of the Irish!
Instead, you were arguing that atrocities committed by the IRA justify mistreatment of the Irish.
Now please explain how atrocities committed by the IRA justify mistreatment of the Irish.
macumazahn wrote:
I can't wait to see this.
If he answers me this time,
he will probably switch to still a third subject.
Anyone want to make a bet?
I'm kind of hoping we can get him to segue into the subject of pole dancing. He's a natural.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#77844 Feb 28, 2013
sickofit wrote:
<quoted text>
I am a Libertarian(REAL CONSERVATIVE). I love freedom and equality and justice for all...That is why religion to me is evil.
To me the government needs to be shrunk 70% and spend 70% less and get rid of 70% of laws...
Now what???
Are you ready to pave your own roads?

Maintain your own electrical grid?

Maintain your own water and sewage?

Eat rotten food?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Long Beach

#77845 Feb 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
"One of the simplest and best proofs that evolution is a joke, is the FACT that there is NO recorded history prior to 4,000 B.C. The world's history is CLEARY defined by SIX world powers since time began: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. Since Rome's fall in 476 A.D., there have been no world-powers (many super-powers; but, no world-powers). At the time of Moses, Egypt ruled the world. The Israelites were used as slave labor by Pharaoh to build the pyramids. Before Egypt, there is absolutely nothing recorded in history about a world-power.
It is NO coincidence that Revelation 17:10 speaks of these world-powers, "...five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." At the writing of Revelation, Rome was still a world-power. The Apostle John, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells us that Rome is the 6th world-power, and there is one more to come. The 7th world-power will be the beast system, the kingdom of the antichrist. This diabolical New World Order is quickly forming now (i.e., a universal religious view, global centralized government, a one-world economic system, a cashless society, etc.).
Do you think it's a mere coincidence that the Word of God is so concise on world history? The Bible records the beginning of mankind at about 4,000 B.C., and secular history is eerily silent before 4,000 B.C. for those who claim to believe in evolution. If I were an evolutionist, I would be extremely disturbed by this FACT. Prove me wrong! I dare you. I triple-dog dare you to show me any recorded civilization before 4,000 B.C. And I don't mean some pottery jug or item that you claim is 14,000 years old--Show me any evidence of civilization prior to 4,000 B.C. You cannot. In fact, it is difficult to find much recorded history before 2,500 B.C., because the flood of Noah's day destroyed most of it.
How can evolutionists be so naive and foolish as to totally ignore this incredibly obvious fact? There is NO recorded history prior to 4,000 B.C., no writings, no carved stones, no battles, no wars, no countries, no nothing! It's as if mankind just suddenly began (which is exactly what the Bible teaches happened). God created man out of the dirt, the elements, of the earth. "
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%2520...
Oops, sorry I was wrong on the mural…it was in Syria not Turkey.

“Damascus - Mural paintings dating back 11 000 years have been found in a building on a bank of the River Euphrates in northern Syria, a French archaeologist said on Tuesday.

Eric Coqueugniot said they were the oldest murals found in the Middle East.

"Geometric paintings - black, white and red - have been found on the wall of a house in Jadeh," he said, adding that they were discovered in late September in a circular house with a diameter of about seven metres.

The house was in a riverside village dating from the start of the neolithic era in the Middle East, 9 000 years BC.

The researchers found numerous flint objects at the site along with a figurine of a man."

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