Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 201523 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#71601 Jan 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Evolution: when you think of it you would have start at the very beginning with the primordial soup. Let's go back to the making of the soup. Rain falling on rocks for millions and millions of years washing the correct minerals and elements into a puddle to combine with the correct gases over millions of years. Then to make the fairy tale really good something some how created the spark of life and a speck of life came forth. Now this very primitive ( the most primitive life form ever ) lived long enough to mutate and mutate billions of times creating all forms of life ever to exist. Plants and animals adding more and more DNA along the way. Perfecting host and symbiont relationships. Fish and mammals swimming in the oceans some with gills others with blow holes then the birds in the sky and of course the birds that can't fly. Insects and ticks and worms.
Grass and trees and flowers. All from the speck of life that sprang to life with who knows how long of a life span.
Creating some as in algae to create oxygen that would be needed for the life forms that were to follow as it just kept mutating and adding DNA until the arrival of the great ape who figured it all out with no room for error and stood on his soap box and proclaimed this is how it happened no other explanation is possible.
Then please explain how according to the bible, we were made from dust?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71602 Jan 21, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
And ALL of the months of the year, if I'm not mistaken.
Well, some of the months of the year are just named after numbers (September, October, November, December; named after 7, 8, 9, and 10), a few are named after Roman rulers (July and August). February was named after a Roman purification ritual.

But January is named for the Roman god Janus, March for the Roman god Mars, April *may* have been named for Aphrodite, May for the Greek goddess Maia, and June *may* be named for the Roman goddess Juno.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71603 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
if you were by yourself and saw a tree fall in the forest,...you would have doubts that it happened, because there was no objective witnesses?
I would never have 100% certainty (which means that I would not eliminate *all* doubt), and if I then brought others to the forest and no evidence of such a tree could be found, I would give very serious consideration to the idea that I had simply imagined it.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71604 Jan 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do Atheist have such a hard time with definition of such easy words.
Here let me help you out.
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
I'm an atheist, but I'm not someone who believes that there is no deity.

I simply lack theistic belief.

An atheist is someone who lacks theistic belief.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#71605 Jan 21, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>Link please?
There is this also.

A fossilized human skull was found in coal that was sold in Germany (mid-1800s). A jawbone of a child was found in coal in Tuscany (1958). Two giant human molars were found in Montana (1926). A human leg was found by a West Virginia coal miner. It had changed into coal.�pp. 34-35.

A woman, in Illinois, reportedly found a gold chain in a chunk of coal which broke open (1891). A small steel cube was found in a block of coal in Austria (1885). An iron pot was found in coal in Oklahoma (1912). A woman found a child's spoon in coal (1937).�p. 35.

In 1944 Newton Anderson claimed to have found this bell inside a lump of coal that was mined near his house in West Virginia. When Newton dropped the lump it broke, revealing a bell encased inside.

What is a brass bell with an iron clapper doing in coal that is supposed to be hundreds of

millions of years old? According to Norm Scharbough's book Ammunition (which includes a compilation of many such "coal anecdotes") the bell was extensively analyzed at the University of Oklahoma and it was found to contain an unusual mixture of metals, different from any modern usage. Photo and text from Genesis Park.

Man-made objects in rock.

An iron nail was found in a Cretaceous block from the Mesozoic era (mid-1800s). A gold thread was found in stone in England (1844). An iron nail was found in quartz in California (1851). A silver vessel was found in solid rock in Massachusetts (1851).

The mold of a metal screw was found in a chunk of feldspar (1851). An intricately carved and inlaid metal bowl was found in solid rock (1852). An iron nail was found in rock in a Peruvian mine by Spanish conquistadores (1572).�pp. 35-36.

http://s8int.com/page8.html

“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#71606 Jan 21, 2013
Psalm 103:14

New International Version (©1984)
for he knows how we are formed, he remembers that we are dust.

“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#71607 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm an atheist, but I'm not someone who believes that there is no deity.
I simply lack theistic belief.
An atheist is someone who lacks theistic belief.
So you're an agnostic atheist?

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#71608 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>So are you implying that if science didn't tell you that you existed, you would be in doubt?

I must say...you are dedicated.
LOL.:-()

“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#71609 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm an atheist, but I'm not someone who believes that there is no deity.
I simply lack theistic belief.
An atheist is someone who lacks theistic belief.
You don't need to practice any religion to believe there is a God.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#71610 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>Sounds improbable to me. I doubt the word was coined to refute scripture. Personally, I don't see the idea as being very essential to evolutionary theory. Mutation occurs and is passed on at the individual level, period!

The idea of a "macro" evolutionary strategy is flawed. It's like saying that the predecessors of birds decided to take several steps to become birds. That doesn't happen. What does happen is that environmental conditions occur that allow a species to bridge a gap between their old niche and a new one. Without those conditions, no birds would happen.

I don't know if it's your interpretation or the logic that is flawed, but I won't defend it.
Evolution at different scales: micro to macro
by the Understanding Evolution team

Evolution encompasses changes of vastly different scales — from something as insignificant as an increase in the frequency of the gene for dark wings in beetles from one generation to the next, to something as grand as the evolution and radiation of the dinosaur lineage. These two extremes represent classic examples of micro- and macroevolution.

Microevolution happens on a small scale (within a single population), while macroevolution happens on a scale that transcends the boundaries of a single species. Despite their differences, evolution at both of these levels relies on the same, established mechanisms of evolutionary change:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#71611 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>I have. None of those can be identified as unambiguous prophecies that aren't either (1) twisted to fit a scenario or (2) made into a self-fulfilling prophecy.(Or the ones that are flat-out wrong.)

Langoliers wrote, "Look at the dating method BC "Before Christ" AD "in the year of our Lord""

You mean the dating that is increasingly written as "BCE" and CE"?

By the way, should we conclude that people believe that Thor and Woden and the other Norse gods were real because we have days named Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday?

Heck, even Jews that don't use "BC" and "AD" have no problem in using those words to refer to those days of the week.
LOL really!

"You mean the dating that is increasingly written as "BCE" and CE"?"

Why do you think science is switching to those dating system? Think hard now.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#71612 Jan 21, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>Then please explain how according to the bible, we were made from dust?
No need you can look it up if you don't already know. I don't play those games.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#71613 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>I'm an atheist, but I'm not someone who believes that there is no deity.

I simply lack theistic belief.

An atheist is someone who lacks theistic belief.
Look up the word agnostic.

“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#71614 Jan 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Evolution at different scales: micro to macro
by the Understanding Evolution team
Evolution encompasses changes of vastly different scales — from something as insignificant as an increase in the frequency of the gene for dark wings in beetles from one generation to the next, to something as grand as the evolution and radiation of the dinosaur lineage. These two extremes represent classic examples of micro- and macroevolution.
Microevolution happens on a small scale (within a single population), while macroevolution happens on a scale that transcends the boundaries of a single species. Despite their differences, evolution at both of these levels relies on the same, established mechanisms of evolutionary change:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...
You keep referring to a definition that is not accurate.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Mac...

So you don't agree to the fact there was increase in brain size in mammals, which is an example of macro-evolution?

Although I have questions about major transitions (origin of higher-level phyla) in species.

“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#71615 Jan 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
No need you can look it up if you don't already know. I don't play those games.
I'm not playing games, I want answers. Because if there was one, you would be posting them by now, wouldn't you?

The bible actually tells you that and Science proves that and yet you still don't know?

Hint: We are literally made of star dust.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71616 Jan 21, 2013
Cybele wrote:
So you're an agnostic atheist?
Correct.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71617 Jan 21, 2013
I'm an atheist, but I'm not someone who believes that there is no deity.
I simply lack theistic belief.
An atheist is someone who lacks theistic belief.
Cybele wrote:
You don't need to practice any religion to believe there is a God.
I didn't make any references to religious practice.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71618 Jan 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
"You mean the dating that is increasingly written as "BCE" and CE"?"
Why do you think science is switching to those dating system?
Because science is not making a claim in favor of any particular religion.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71619 Jan 21, 2013
An atheist is someone who lacks theistic belief.
Langoliers wrote:
Look up the word agnostic.
Agnosticism is a claim about knowledge, not a claim about belief.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#71620 Jan 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
For example, consider the fossil evidence. If Darwinism were true, the fossil evidence should show lots of gradual change, with one species slowly grading into the next. In fact, it should be hard to tell where one species ends and another begins. But that's not what we find.
That's not true at all. There have been billions of humans that have lived on earth and we only have a few thousand or so fossilized humanoid remains. Fossilization is a very rare thing and we have no fool proof method of locating them.

In Darwin's lifetime there were only a very few fossilized remains found. He noted in his writing that Africa would be the logical place to find human remains. In the early 1900's we started to find lots of fossils in Africa because of his intuition.

Since that time we have found proof that humans did evolve there in Africa...both archaeological and DNA converged, modern humans are first found in Africa about 200,000 years ago.

Try all you want, but evolution is true and will stand.

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