Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#65026
Dec 13, 2012
 
A specific article that supports me still eludes me. I have found a reference to mouse human genome differences, but since it is a professional journal the bit I want seems to be buried deep inside the article and is not available at the levels I can read.

Perhaps it is still to new of a topic for it to be widespread in the popular press. I still stand by my prediction. ERV's that we share with mice would have many more differences between them than the same ERV's that we share with other apes.
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#65027
Dec 13, 2012
 
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I don't normally dwell on the actual chemistry of genetics. It's sufficient for me to know that Melanin is important because it blocks UV radiation. It would seem that pigmentation has become a bit more about presentation than function among the Caucasian tribes but that's a whole new can of worms.
Curiously, I suspect that appearance and personality are linked in the European tribes. It would seem that there's a genetic advantage to visually announcing yourself before any further dialog when in Europe. One can only wonder!
Oh oui oui, et, est-ce que votre annonce un modèle français, que "vous savez t être tellement" parce que l'internet a dit?

AIMS perhaps Would be the more suitable acronymn in this instance, eh?
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Dec 13, 2012
 

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Never seen a flying fish or heard a talking one, but I did see a walking catfish....:)
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Dec 13, 2012
 
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Oh oui oui, et, est-ce que votre annonce un modèle français, que "vous savez t être tellement" parce que l'internet a dit?
AIMS perhaps Would be the more suitable acronymn in this instance, eh?
I'm not familiar enough with France or the French to decode that right. I'll assume AIMS is some internet teaching consortium, although there's many references to the acronym. If you're trying to be subtle, it's too subtle!...and I like getting information in return, when I give it!:)

If you're implying that the dialog here is not sufficiently in layman's language, ask! I don't mind explaining and I rarely allude to Internet culture, or at least make sure it's understood that I'm doing so. I'm tragically aware that I may be posting to someone half my age and unaware of things that I find commonplace. It's downright annoying when I find out that a twenty year old has never heard of Laurel and Hardy!

There's a few gaps in my day from work and sleep so when I post, it's those brief recreational moments! It would be bad to do forum talk while at work. They use those waist-high cubicles!
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#65030
Dec 13, 2012
 
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Never seen a flying fish or heard a talking one, but I did see a walking catfish....:)
Those really exist too! Although they really just twist around on the ground to find new water. They were a big thing when they were announced in the 70's.

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Dec 13, 2012
 
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We've already had a taste of what the world would be like if religion rules....it was called the Dark Ages, and the place was really a sh!thole.
Religion was worse then dictators rule because the religion thought it was doing 'the right thing.' Many, many innocent people died.
Do you mean to say that during the dark ages God's will was being done on earth as it was being done in heaven?

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Dec 13, 2012
 
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Never seen a flying fish or heard a talking one, but I did see a walking catfish....:)
Many are familiar with the Chalk-browed Mockingbird as well.

It has been classified as Least concern by the IUCN.(BLI 2004)

[edit] References Thank you Wikipedia. sigh. Everyone knows it's a sin to kill a mocking bird #%$$& it
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Dec 13, 2012
 
I fish wrote:
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Many are familiar with the Chalk-browed Mockingbird as well.
It has been classified as Least concern by the IUCN.(BLI 2004)
[edit] References Thank you Wikipedia. sigh. Everyone knows it's a sin to kill a mocking bird #%$$& it
Darwin was listening for the Mockingbird to sing and they appropriate the calls of others, now why is that?

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#65034
Dec 13, 2012
 
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Darwin was listening for the Mockingbird to sing and they appropriate the calls of others, now why is that?
Without researching the scientific literature on the subject, I couldn't say. But I bet you'll be able to tie it into "Systems, Cycles and Patterns" somehow, right?
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#65035
Dec 13, 2012
 
While science and religion are not incompatible, using religion as a substitute for science is. You only fool yourself, MazHere (and other creationists), by believing that you can punch holes in scientific theories with religious beliefs masquerading as science. Those of us who follow science entertain ourselves by engaging and provoking you and others who share your views. And yet, there is some value in kicking the wasp's nest: by drawing you out, we can more readily pinpoint your weaknesses and collectively shake our heads over your fallacious arguments. And with this information strengthen our positions and sharpen our arguments.

In short, MazHere, you are the worse possible spokesperson for your views.

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#65036
Dec 13, 2012
 
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The European word "man" means thinker or "men" means to think.
According to whom?

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Dec 13, 2012
 
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So, not anyone else's problem, till such becomes a problem. A lot of people don't like blond haired people either. Should they all be castrated and dehumanized because of it?
No, and neither should the ones that prefer it, unless of course any of them become willfull ignorance problems, willfully hating on others, for having their OWN likes and dislikes, and of course, thier OWN opinions and beliefs.
I never said anything derogatory but I did quote facts, you don’t like facts? That’s just tough

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Dec 13, 2012
 
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YOU seem to be one of those example species with a willfull ignorance problem.
I referenced what Einstien said DIRECTLY (as in from the source of, not from a chain of ignorant, grade school tin can he said she said garbage), based on DIRECT interviews and LETTERS, as spoken and written by the man himself.
Emphasis on "DIRECT", as in out of the mans mouth, and penned from his hands himself.
And it's not nice to ATTACK people, that aren't around to defend themselves especially! So in a right spirit, I shall uphold the original author and interviewer of the articles I quoted, and say, I enjoyed reading them immensely, and found them quite enlightening.
MUCH more so than from a rewritten, not even restated factually, often UNcredible source as wikistoopedia.
Back to the dunce chair for you, and tighten your tin foil caplet, it seems to be somewhat askew, and loosely hanging.
And I quoted directly from his letters, written by himself.

Not misinterpretations of his writing but actual, factual quotes, once again, if you don’t get on well with facts than tough

http://www.einsteinandreligion.com/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9583...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-04/eins...
http://uctaa.net/articles/meds2/med35/med684....

But hey if you want to make a mockery out of a clever mans life that entirely up to you to rationalise. If you want to lie for you belief and your god than I hope you sleep well on that dies of lies

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#65039
Dec 13, 2012
 
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
Footnote: and to say ANYthing else beyond whathas already been posted on the verbage of Eistien, would not only be "willfully ignorant" it would be utterly "abjectly" ignorant as well, because, the written words of the history of such stated, is all the evidence we have, and beyond that evidence, the truly honest with even HALF a non-dysfunctional brain, could ONLY say, "we DON'T know".
And we don't, because we Weren't there!!
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Footnote

To lie in the presence of you god and to make a mockery of a dead mans beliefs is a pathetic way to promote you belief

Einstein Wrote

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

Einstein Wrote

"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."

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#65040
Dec 13, 2012
 
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Darwin was listening for the Mockingbird to sing and they appropriate the calls of others, now why is that?
My thought is that a camper is being annoyed by a genuine hoot owl...and God in his foreknowledge provides the mockingbird to pipe up and pretend to be a hoot owl or whatever annoying bird is out there...and the camper starts laughing and being cheered up somehow because the mockingbird is an example of a person saying 'ignore it...it's only noise...watch I can do that'. It's a message in nature of how to deal with evolutionists such aas yourself...but you can use the lesson on the annoying people in your life if you would like.

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#65041
Dec 13, 2012
 
Does anyone know anything about Evolutionary Psychology (EP)?

Is it possible that maybe what I'm experiencing is an evolutionary thing?
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Dec 13, 2012
 
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#65043
Dec 13, 2012
 
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Uh yeah sure, the correctly predicted fish-phibian fossil has been "discredited" by footprints found a mere 4-17MYA earlier tops. By footprints made by uh... another fish-phibian.
Duh.
Stop playing with yourself, Dude. Do you lot of boofheads really think your ignorance and gobble outweights the supported claims?
But it is their age that makes these tracks so special: 18 million years older than the earliest known tetrapod body fossils, and 10 million years older than the oldest elpistostegids — Tiktaalik , Panderichthys and their relatives, seen as transitional forms between fishes and tetrapods. The finds suggests that the elpistostegids that we know were late-surviving relics rather than direct transitional forms, and they highlight just how little we know of the earliest history of land vertebrates.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v463/n72...
Already addressed Maz. Get around to it any time ya like. You answer those questions yet?
Here is another evo idiot that sporookes about past famous posts that can never repost them or ask these wonderful questions ever again.

Suck it up Dude. I have to repeat myself again for every looser that drops by. Repost questions Dude child. The answer this one.
How can you tell the difference between a recently inserted erv and not? The answer is you can't.
Retroviruses insert themselves randomly. All we need is just one showing orthology. As it happens we don't just have one.
You may try something called evidence one day. Don't be a dork. If evos can hand wave away anything that does not suit, effectively your erv evidence is a raught and unfalsifiable.
Remarkably, we have found many cases of parallel intron gains at essentially the same sites in independent genotypes. This strongly argues against the common assumption that when two species share introns at the same site, it is always due to inheritance from a common ancestor.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/...
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/326/5957/12...

But although this concept of retrovirus selectivity is currently prevailing [37], practically all genomic regions were reported to be used as primary integration targets, however, with different preferences. There were identified `hot spots' containing integration sites used up to 280 times more frequently than predicted mathematically.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...
You can't tell. We can. And we've tested it.
Quack quack. Evidence please. Make it peer reviewed seeing as you lot like to quack about it so much yet NEVER present any. Anything you provide, if you bothered, has a base of maybe and perhaps.
No they don't. It is in fact the very PREMISE of evolution, validated by genetic evidence and experiment.
Quack quack. Evidence please. Make it peer reviewed seeing as you lot like to quack about it so much yet NEVER present any. Anything you provide, if you bothered, has a base of maybe and perhaps.

Since: Jul 12

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Dec 13, 2012
 
Reply to Dudes waffle
Translation: Boo hoo, their science works!
Quack quack. Evidence please. Make it peer reviewed seeing as you lot like to quack about it so much yet NEVER present any. Anything you provide, if you bothered, has a base of maybe and perhaps.
Projection again. Got anything substantial for once Maz? Or you prefer to keep lying for Jesus?
Quack quack. Evidence please. Make it peer reviewed seeing as you lot like to quack about it so much yet NEVER present any. Anything you provide, if you bothered, has a base of maybe and perhaps.
Yes actually I do. Evos have never observed reverse transcribe in action endogenizing into any genome. It is theoretical modelling and is likely screwing up any possibility of medical advancement on genetic therapies.

It seems strange that there are NO examples of gene transduction by retrovirus into the germline of new hosts. Why is it that DNA viruses that have the theroized capacity to integrate into the host DNA not been detected in the germ line.

But most importantly there are many examples of missing ervs in mankind and those that nest gorilla with chimp to the exclusion of man. These are hand waved away on nothing more than a preconceived assumption all of it being dependent on boot strapping to an already preconcluded assumption.

Your theory that ervs MAY be the result of past retroviral infection is not substantiated in any way. Indeed you cannot tell if these functional remnants caused retorvirus, which is more likely. Evo assumptions are purely theoretical from top to bottom and is going exactly the same way all the evo gobble went around junk dna in general, falsification with more stories to follow.

Evos needed junk, refuse and vestigiallity. Creos need functionality with no refuse to support a created genome. Evos junk is being taken from their quivering hands to demonstrate that TOE has the predictive capacity of a crystal ball and rests on the psuedo science of being unfalsifiable and unstable. Evos will eventually align themselves with creationists, and invent a plethora of ridiculous myths to back peddle and will still look all scientifically retarded. Ha ha!

BTW...I see the evotards are back discussing BS philosophies again

I see Subby has disappeared after stomping his feet so much over ervs that they have ended up in his mouth.

Since: Sep 08

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#65045
Dec 13, 2012
 
Maz, do you understand that the frequency of ERV's ever attaching themselves successfully to genome is a very very rare event? You might as well try to dispute the lottery since no lottery winner has ever come from a laboratory experiment.

I believe that I can count the number of different ERV's between chimp and man with the fingers of one hand (of course I am smarter than the average bear so that number may be higher than you would first think). That makes it a very rare event since there were millions of years since the separation.

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